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By Kimberiffany on If You Don't Think This Is About Misogyny, There Is Nothing Wrong With You

I was looking forward to reading this thinking it would be a breakdown of some hard and complicated issues (and because I loved her piece on Tom Junod), but really Miller just bounced from hot-button issue to hot-button issue sighting a feeling of messiness rather than actually laying down an actual argument. Yes these issues are complex, but there's some middle ground between acknowledging the complexity of an issue and ignoring how our culture creates situations where it's ok to hate women. That enculturation is at the heart of many of the issues she brings up in her article, and I think Miller is doing a disservice to feminism and women by asserting that focus on how cultures and societies foster environments that encourage attacks on women are unjustly taking over the conversation. This is especially ironic considering that as she admits in the article, people (especially women!) are often shouted down for even expressing these ideas.

I think this also goes to the heart of all the time we spend arguing about arguing. Would it have been better if the Facebook commenter had written, “If you don’t think this is partly about misogyny there is something wrong with you.”? Perhaps, but saying that what it REALLY is about is guns and mental illness and NOT about misogyony is a worse oversimplification than leaving out the qualification.

With all of the backsliding in women's rights in the United States and, holy hell, on the internet, right now it's a struggle to just be a part of the conversation. Yes, let's all agree that there are very few issues that involve people that have simple causes. But let's avoid telling people to be quiet because their argument doesn't have as much traction as we would like, especially when their voices aren't traditionally heard or acknowledged.

Posted on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 pm 7

By Bunburying on If You Don't Think This Is About Misogyny, There Is Nothing Wrong With You

"the pain that we experience as women—even physical—does not give us the right to tell people there’s one way to think or feel, or to assume that we have some god-like understanding of everyone’s motivations."

Cool, this is exactly the same article about FEMINISTS DOING IT WRONG that Time has been publishing over and over for the past 20 years, glad I clicked to confirm. But I guess I'm just saying that because I'm a judgmental feminist harpy

Posted on July 25, 2014 at 12:20 pm 3

By I'm Right on Top of that, Rose on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@peasofmind OH! Yes! I wasn't meaning to imply that Patrick here has an eggshell mullet. I was thinking more of Hulk Hogan. Yes, Patrick is a total babe, and those guys have no idea what they are talking about w/r/t lips, because damn, Patrick. Damn.

Posted on November 21, 2013 at 12:53 pm 2

By peasofmind on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

Oh my god though, can we talk about how Patrick Kearns is a total babe, and those internet dudes are obviously just jealous/delusional?! (That was not my take-away from the article by any means, I just feel like it needs to be said!)

Patrick, can you hear me? Take heart! You are not a 5/10! You have very nice eyebrows!

Posted on November 20, 2013 at 7:16 pm 5

By peasofmind on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

Oh my god though, can we talk about how Patrick Kearns is a total babe, and those internet dudes are obviously just jealous/delusional?! (That was not my take-away from the article by any means, I just feel like it needs to be said!)

Patrick, can you hear me? Take heart! You are not a 5/10! You have very nice eyebrows!

Posted on November 20, 2013 at 7:16 pm 5

By Jaya on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@Jaya Wait there's a ladder? Oh man, I need to refresh my sex ed.

Posted on November 20, 2013 at 4:21 pm 7

By katiemcgillicuddy on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@Jaya "if you bang a fatty NONE of her friends will ever touch you because they think fat-cunt is your league and that they are well above you." And then a lengthy discussion about the "fuck ladder".

Gentlemen, I'm starting to see why you can't get laid!

Posted on November 20, 2013 at 4:16 pm 21

By I'm Right on Top of that, Rose on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@stuffisthings Beta Davis eyes!

Posted on November 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm 14

By stuffisthings on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@Jaya I think the key line is this:

They are on PUAHate, I realized, to debunk PUA myths not because of theory, but because of practice. The PUA techniques didn’t work; they need something else.

It would be like if someone started a site about fad diets and how they didn't work; it wouldn't be a huge surprise if the forums filled up with body-shaming and eating disordery stuff from people who still desperately want to lose weight.

Posted on November 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm 10

By mollpants on The Pickup Artists of PUAHate

@jia @stuffisthings With these beta eyesssssss
One look at you and I can't disguise
I've got beta eyesssss
I feel the magic between you and I

Posted on November 20, 2013 at 3:15 pm 12