wait wait wait, low fat cheese? come on. that's worse than not eating cheese :(
@Kira-Lynn@twitter i also think (hope) this does not fall so much under "weight-loss tips" as much as "nutritional advice for individual people who want to achieve goals that are, because of their personal nature, off the table for abstract judgment." i know that food is a hard issue to talk about for a lot of people and as much as i fully respect anyone's prerogative to be like "FUCK LOSING WEIGHT, THAT'S A LOADED METRIC AND NOT HOW I WANT TO THINK ABOUT MY BODY" i also fully respect someone else's right to be like "i am interested in working out more and also dropping some weight, how can i do that healthily and not self-deprive?"
@supernintendochalmers I think that's the most succinct summary of how I feel about all this mess, it's a joke is not a get-out-of-criticism-free card.
@franceschances Exactly. "It's a joke" is not a get-out-of-criticism-free card.
@ariel I guess I never got the idea that you can't critique feminism. That always seems like a stance reserved mostly for white feminist. Feminism isn't perfect - so if there's something problematic or harmful, then why in the actual fuck can I not call it out? If Lily Allen is saying that "she don't need to shake her ass for you because she has a brain" can I not object to that? Seems like this mystical 100% pure untouchable feminism should have some shit to say about that.
And the fact that people keep asking if we can stop policing the ways in which people do feminism - ESPECIALLY with regards to women of color and intersectionality (like the Bell Hooks response to Sheryl Sandberg) just keeps affirming what a lot of feminist of color already know.
@klemay I mean, I for one work with human trafficking and sex slavery as my day job, so maybe I'm the exception but I am very used to reading about women in the sex trade who don't "love their jobs" (to put it mildly!). In fact, I really advocate for that perspective to be put on sites like the 'Pin, because I agree with you that it's missing. That said, this piece is really not a great example of how to do that.
Just to add to the debate - there were a few things that I found problematic about this piece as well, which other commenters have already pointed out. I think it's vital to be open to a conversation about writing that addresses various issues around identity, representation, and human rights, and that includes criticisms. I don't think that anyone trashed the piece or are discounting the effort and quality of the writing itself. Sure, there are a few flippant comments, but overall, valid criticisms shouldn't be seen as a total writing off. I'm a little discouraged by a back-and-forth that doesn't allow for any nuanced reading of this piece. Given the brevity necessitated by the site's format, I think that it's really encouraging that a conversation ensued in the comments. Writing about a complicated social issue brings to light a lot of things that can't be resolved in a 700 word essay, which leaves a lot of room for conversation.
@LunaLunaLunaMoth @LunaLunaLunaMoth I don't have a problem with her English at all. That's not what I'm saying. What I have a problem with is the author's choice to portray this woman's thoughts through his own lens and his own perspective, without bringing in a third party to try and bridge the language gap to gain a deeper understanding of what Christina/Angela is saying on a more nuanced level, and/or by writing out the "pidgin" version of their conversation. (In an English-language written piece, especially a narrative like this one, the person "speaking" in broken English is inevitably going to come out sounding like the less eloquent/intelligent speaker.)
I work at an organization that deals pretty heavily with human trafficking/sex trafficking, and I spend a lot of my time handling media portrayals and cultural biases surrounding trafficked women, sex workers, and the gray areas in between these two extremes. It's true that women like Christina/Angela don't tend to write essays for the Hairpin - but that's all the more reason to give them appropriate platforms for when their voices do make it onto sites like these. Sex workers and prostitutes are used way too often as navel-gazing devices for essay writers and society at large - we really don't need another piece that uses them as literary metaphors to make a point.
For what it's worth, I really did think the prose was lovely, their interaction at the end was nice, and if this was done just a little bit differently I would be a lot more comfortable.
@Susanna I'm hearing you guys on these comments, for what it's worth, and am hoping to do an interview with a camgirl as another perspective on sex work soon.
@Party Falcon party falcon!