oh man, good on you. this guy sounds insufferable. i look forward to part 45, in which norman finally shuts the fuck up.
how much do you bet that he's in the co-working space in the first place because he tried to work from home and some long-suffering person (wife, partner, child, room-mate, whatever) was like, LEAVE OR I AM CUTTING OFF MY EARS.
"I am not sure why it has never ever occurred to you that the reason people are angry at your behavior is that it is bad.”
I would really like to get this on little cards to hand out to people. Especially my former roommate...
“I don’t want to deal with your negativity,” he said, which, as far as I’m concerned, is Californian for “I’d like to act like a complete asshole and not suffer any of the consequences.”
I think it's safe to say that everyone who has ever had to share office space with other humans is rooting for you.
@Interim Thank you so much for this comment. I've been attempting to put something like this to words all day, but you've done it much better than I could. This whole idea that racial critiques of "feminist" artists or writers are just hurting the "movement" by "pitting factions against each other" looks to me like an attempt to silence non-mainstream voices. As someone alluded to above, if your idea of feminism cannot withstand intersectional critique, maybe you're doing it wrong.
@Cornflake Grrrl I just do not agree, at all. Your comment sounds like a long-winded defense of feminism that benefits white women and not much else. If we're talking merely about the song removed from the video, the conversation might be different, but the video unfortunately reflect Allen's complete and utter ignorance when it comes to racialized misogyny and the objectification of black women. What's so problematic to me is that she didn't even set out to critique this. According to her and her director, the casting call was color blind; they wanted dancers who could twerk. They insist that race/ethnicity did not factor in to the discussion at all as a defense of the video, but good lord, that just makes it worse. She basically participates in the very same thing we should be decrying, without even any "ironic" satire to back it up. It's not that everyone is hardwired to take offense. It's that select people take offense at something that is so wholly offensive and worth examining because it involves a significant portion of women, in that many turn a blind eye to anything that doesn't prop up the "overall point" and those who do attempt to critique an issue that affects them and the people they know are eventually called out for having knee-jerk reactions (or perhaps, carefully thought out opinions) or self-righteous ideals, when really they're trying to examine an issue from an atypical feminist context that doesn't jive for many of the feminists out there. And the punitive environment I see now and in the future is one where people with privilege intentionally or unintentionally shut down conversations that don't flow in the "right" direction (what you seem to be doing here). And how are people of privilege barred from the conversation anyway? For every critical comment, there's at least double that in support. This was extremely long winded. I'm just tired of everyone telling me to think of a big picture that's not inclusive of who I am and who my friends are.
@franceschances Exactly. "It's a joke" is not a get-out-of-criticism-free card.
....what is happening in these comments? This video is terrible, and saying feminists don't have a sense of humor doesn't change that. Sometimes we don't find something funny because it, you know, isn't funny.
@klemay Yeah, me either, but it is becoming increasingly apparent and making me not want to read the comments here anymore. Every article which involves intersectional perspectives on feminism has at least several comments whose contribution is along the lines of "gosh can't we all get along, this racist thing white feminists are doing doesn't seem racist to me, so maybe you should shut up and just stop making me think about non-white women's existence, thanks." Ugh.
@ariel I guess I never got the idea that you can't critique feminism. That always seems like a stance reserved mostly for white feminist. Feminism isn't perfect - so if there's something problematic or harmful, then why in the actual fuck can I not call it out? If Lily Allen is saying that "she don't need to shake her ass for you because she has a brain" can I not object to that? Seems like this mystical 100% pure untouchable feminism should have some shit to say about that.
And the fact that people keep asking if we can stop policing the ways in which people do feminism - ESPECIALLY with regards to women of color and intersectionality (like the Bell Hooks response to Sheryl Sandberg) just keeps affirming what a lot of feminist of color already know.