By mayonegg on "Maybe I needed to prove that I'm wife material. If he wanted 300 sandwiches, I’d give him 300 sandwiches"
Because I can't think about this any longer, I'd like to direct you all to Stately Sandwiches instead. Or, not instead, but rather as a palate cleanser?
I think the answer to all these qualms-- that she took their money, that she agreed to a contract, that she cannot be considered radical in a position of such power-- can all be addressed by assuming that she does not give a fuck. A position with which I feel great empathy.
I loved it as well. I found it exciting and more of a solo experience, rather than a creepy manipulation. Porn, sure, but with real pleasure.
I've only seen Stoya's so far, but I'm really surprised to find that some folks object so strongly to the concept. It's not like these are random women who just wanted to read a book and are being assaulted — they're folks who very consciously chose to come in and record themselves to film as they have an orgasm. Why on earth would they feel violated? It's porn-as-art rather than porn-as-porn, but it's definitely porn. Happy porn. Plus books.
Wow this is super hot. And cute and funny. I love it!!!! I honestly cannot understand (not just being deliberately obtuse, I actually cannot understand) why anyone would have a problem with it, that is separate from a problem with porn in general.
I...really loved this, actually. Reading through the comments, I can agree with some of the criticisms. However, seeing a woman have an orgasm in this way totally blew my mind, in a good way. Women! Having real orgasms! I'm not well versed in porn, but what I've seen up until now left me feeling really squicked out, this however, does not.
@iceberg Probably if you feel that way you wouldn't sign up for this though? I guess you're framing this very differently from the way I'm framing it. They're not "trying to read" they're "reading while getting masturbated."
Obviously it's not for everyone, let a thousand sexy consensual flowers bloom, and so on.
@iceberg A kind of shock/horror at the idea that women might want to have sex [orgasms] outside a committed monogamous relationship and/or absent significant emotional connections and/or where other people can see them. Like, how dare they make their sexual pleasure public?
Like I said, I am cool with critiquing this! It doesn't get as far away from the male gaze or commodifying-objectifying women's sexualities and bodies as I'd like, and I'm wary of the role literature is supposed to play (I think it is a rich but potentially troubling choice). And the "beautiful woman" thing is, as noted above, indeed gross, even if it looks like the subjects are more diverse than "beautiful woman" suggests conventionally. I think we can have that conversation without slipping into the other one, though.
Look, this is porn. So the same structural objections anyone ever has to porn apply here. But it was porn I enjoyed watching when I first saw it last year, and I put aside those objections like you have to if you're going to enjoy porn.The only difference here is a novel (haha) thematic subject.
Hmm, there are more ... pearl-clutching reactions to this than I expected.