@Quinn A@twitter are you new here? (just kidding, i know you're not). this is the hairpin- women, esp. lesbians, aren't allowed to leave comments without the obligatory NAMALT disclaimer!
1. There is no "being good at being a girl". Playing with dolls and makeup does not make someone good at being a little girl. It means they hold sex-role stereotypes about what is appropriate behaviour for little girls.
2. Arisce says that she did not feel body dysphoria. She talks about being told that she is trans because of the way she behaves, from lovers, friends, and a therapist. I think those people have likely unduly influenced her to see herself as trans when she did not expressly identify with that when she did her own research.
3. Following that, she admits that she couldn't be seen as a woman in modeling until she got fake breasts. Plastic surgery to attain a misogynistic male-defined view of a "good body" for women is anti-feminist. Feeling that your breasts are a true marker of your femaleness is wrong.
4. Being strong and lifting weights = man body? It is damaging to women and girls to be told by role models that lifting weights is counter productive to having a nice body. It's also blatant sex-role stereotyping.
5. I think we can totally question, as feminists, what transgender models represent when we use them as a culture, to embody the "perfect woman" body. This is a question that has already happened with other trans models, while Arisce can't control that, I think that as feminists it's important to question getting beauty advice from someone who has an unachievable body for 99% of women, even more so than non-trans models do.
6. The over emphasis of "boy craziness" as a way to bond with women/demonstrate womanhood is clearly not feminist. We as feminists should call out the overemphasis of men as central narratives to women's lives.
7. The clearly misguided belief that men actually care about women's hopes and aspirations when they date us. I don't know a single woman who hasn't had men say gross porny shit to her- this should be where she empathizes with the misogyny that women face from men, not where she believes that men are only asking her gross porny things because she is trans. We all feel this misogyny, let's recognize it for what it is.
8. Emphasis on looks as only redeeming quality. Arsice herself says she wishes she were good at something other than being a model so she can eat. If you don't see the fucked up nature of that statement and what it communicates to young women who have been told all their life that their only value is looking pretty, well, I just gotta say, go back to women's studies 101.
@Urwelt You're right... no one can ever question if a trans person has said something misogynistic, because 1- impossible and 2- that's not fun, but mostly 3- questioning something a trans person does inherently means you are a transphobic radfem boogeyman. BOO!
wow, a whole lotta misogyny and sexist tropes about women (oh, i mean "bitches", sorry) in this one.
On Sacred Socks
@blueblazes you should stop reading that magazine.
@Danzig! Yes, thanks for that link and the meta-baiting of claiming that your comment might bring out the evil spectre of radical feminism. That's what we call thought-terminating: you shut down the idea that we can discuss radical critiques of sex work before they even happened here.
We were all discussing the autonomy and situation of the sex worker Monique with respect, and it's important to examine these kinds of narratives from multiple angles... even if they might, *gasp*, include critiques of sex work and prostitution!
@S. Elizabeth Yeah, we don't know anything about Monique. Is she willingly in sex work? If she could make enough money doing other work, would she choose prostitution? Would she choose different clients? Jay negotiated the "fee", so does the family even know if she was fairly compensated? Is Jay pimping or taking a cut of money to hire prostitutes/sex workers for the families/disabled people he knows? I mean, jfc, sex is not a physical NEED. No one dies from not experiencing sex, and it is not a right that all men/people "deserve". If we knew more about Monique, maybe this wouldn't be so creepy.
@Jolie Kerr I really appreciate you taking the time to explain that. Myself and many other HP readers (especially die-hard feminists and lesbians) have felt the same way as the Hairpin became more mainstream. I know most people on this thread will say that it's totally okay to only talk about make up and boys and sometimes feminist-lite politics, and that's true, but HP definitely did a weird right turn into being very male-identified and very consumer-identified. It really means a lot to have that be articulated and recognized by you; I felt like I was being gaslighted every time I visit the site and think, "What happened?".
@klemay You are right about how being critical of queer theory and gender theories will most definitely get ya the automatic label of transphobe. Hairpin is VERY liberal and VERY much so invested in queer theory and postmodernism though, so it's not the place to hope for nuance or thoughtfulness on trans issues and feminism. There are one or two other porn-critical feminists and radical feminists in the commentariat but I've noticed that they have slowly left due to, ugh, every ask a queer lady column, slow take over by male commenters, lesbophobia, etc. (I am a radical lesbian feminist, and also on my way out).
@lucy snowe Thanks lucy. While there were points I would have liked to engage in more, I had both work and a funeral to go to yesterday. Anyhow, the funny thing is that back when I was passing in a het relationship and believed that every time a lesbian was mean to me was a perfect example of biphobia*, I knew of a few lesbians who were driven away from the Hairpin because of the increasing erasure of homosexuality and the increasing importance placed on heterosexuality/male-oriented bisexuality and men as central to women's lives. Haha, taste of my own medicine, I suppose. But in any case, I do appreciate your comment. I will be taking a leave of absence from the hairpin.
*tongue in cheek and not directed at anyone in particular.