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On Talking to Heather Doney and Rachel Coleman About Child Abuse, the Quiverfull Movement and Homeschooling Policy Reform

@MILFofMagnesia That was actually semisarcasm, to point out the fact that teaching children requires a skill, and education and lots of time. :) But point taken. Actually, several parents in my former city did advocate for a Montessori school, I am not sure how they did it, they were university parents who wanted that option for their kids and they just created the school. When I visited, I liked the idea of that freedom of learning and the fact that all the kids were doing stuff together. There was a good mix of different races and SES which I thought was great too, I am not sure of the details, if it was a tuition based thing and if they had something in place for the poorer kids of the area. I should try to find out more about it.

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 12:52 pm 0

On Talking to Heather Doney and Rachel Coleman About Child Abuse, the Quiverfull Movement and Homeschooling Policy Reform

@MILFofMagnesia I don't. Because of my experience I know it is *possible*, therefore, protections should be in place for these kids. The right of the state to protect little persons trumps the 'inconvenience' of having someone come in to check on what may be a prefectly normal family that homeschools kids.
And I do personally think it is wrong for all families for the other reasons I have mentioned also, not just abuse. The whole point here, is that as she said most states don't have protections and testing in place for home schooled kids

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 11:35 am 1

On Talking to Heather Doney and Rachel Coleman About Child Abuse, the Quiverfull Movement and Homeschooling Policy Reform

@discombobulated interesting point. Part of healthy child development is being around other kids and learning how to deal with conflict, make friendships, etc etc. Part of unhealthy child development is being enmeshed with a parent, where the parent can't separate their needs/wants from the child's. I know some parents that use their child for their own social interaction, hanging out with them all day long, as if they were a tiny adult, instead of the parent themself interacting with people their own age, and letting the kid do kid stuff. People can always play or do supplementary work with their kids after school...also I visited a Montessori school once and they are fabulous, the kids learn at their own pace and pick their own assignments but are taught/guided by professionals..

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 11:25 am 0

On Talking to Heather Doney and Rachel Coleman About Child Abuse, the Quiverfull Movement and Homeschooling Policy Reform

@MILFofMagnesia
Why do you assume the experience of school children is hazing and bullying? Was that your experience? It is not that of every child.
"My kids are 3-5 grade levels ahead in math, 6 -8 years ahead in reading, and you wouldn't believe their elocution skills. We do it all in 3 hours a day of 'work'. The rest of the time? Museums, Soccer with other kids (of all ages), Math Club, Science Team, Debate Team, camping, a state and national level traveling sports team, reading, chess, reading, and just flat out messing around " ---I call bullshit
Just pretending that this is in fact true, what protection do your kids have to make sure that you aren't being abusive and that you are teaching at the level you say you are- are there tests or work they need to submit, does someone come in and check on your kids? That is the point of the article

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 11:13 am 2

On Talking to Heather Doney and Rachel Coleman About Child Abuse, the Quiverfull Movement and Homeschooling Policy Reform

I totally agree with you about your views on homeschooling and I think what you are asking for is the absolute *minimum*.
What really bothers me is the views among the people fighting your efforts (I read quite a few of the links, etc) that "I was homeschooled and I'm fine, so what" or that "standardized tests are too harrrrd, so we shouldn't have to do them". I would point out to them: "we are not talking about YOU, stop being selfish, the idea is that some protection needs to be in place for the good of the *majority* of children". I notice that both extreme religious people as well as the liberal nouveau hippy granola types are both exactly alike in that they are totally inflexible and convinced that whatever they think is absolutely right and will not even listen to reason at times. Their political/cultural views are way more important than everyone else's it seems, and both sides seem to take pride in fighting the norm, to the point where the welfare of their children is just incidental.
Is your child too bright, or too slow for public school? Go to a Montessori school then. None in your area and you're convinced that you're such a great teacher for your kids? Then start one yourself, you know with all that hard stuff like filling out paperwork. Is public school low quality or exposing your kids to things you don't want them to see, then send them to a religious school. Why people think the solution is home schooling is beyond me. Even if you're some PhD being the best possible teacher in the entire world, your kids still need to have time outside your sphere, to play with other kids, to learn how to socialize. Like, day in day out, all day at school, not just occasional interaction with the neighbor kids. This is how kids develop.
My strong reaction comes from the fact that my family was very dysfunctional and the thought ever being home schooled and cooped up all day with my abusive mother makes me shudder. As it was,I was subjected to all sorts of very weird and cruel punishments when I brought home my report card, and for 'failing' impossible tasks (this was due to the fact that she had no idea, as is usual with abusive parents, of what is age appropriate. e.g., when you are 5 you shouldn't be expected to cook on stove, you can't innately learn how to ride a bike without training wheels in a cramped garage without someone showing you how, etc). My mother had a sort of limited education herself, so her teaching me would have resulted in me having much less of an education than I received in public school. The emotional and physical abuse that was passed over by my teachers and neighbors was due to the fact that for a lon time we were sort of isolated, not allowed to have people over to the home, always 'out of town', etc and mostly because we were upper middle class white liberal/moderates.
I also know that the isolation of our family caused me to not age appropriately, i.e., I was around adults all the time so I didn't know how to be a kid. I never played with toys until my younger sibling was born. Children need to have contact with kids their own age outside the family. For a mother to say that they can give their kid everything s/he needs socially is delusional.
Both the religious right and the hipster contingent have a frightening amount of mothers who decide that they can do and are experts on everything, from teaching to medicine (no vaccines, no antibiotics for ear infections, etc, wow). I just don't understand it. Other people's kids are everyone's business, if you see kids kept at home, please call child protective to investigate.

Posted on March 5, 2014 at 8:03 pm 3

On Ariel Levy on Naomi Wolf's New Book, 'Vagina'

@CountessMaritza nope

Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:56 pm 0

On Ariel Levy on Naomi Wolf's New Book, 'Vagina'

re: the cuntilini comment: obviously the woman has some sort of sexual assault or incest history, which accounts for all sorts of hypersensitivity to minor stupidity. Have some compassion. Also, did you read the yale newspaper editorial (after the jump)? Horrifying...

Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:08 pm 0