@Mira Oh man. I think I love you.
@stuffisthings Dude, next time you have an impulse to charge in and tell the ladies they're doing feminism/progressivism wrong*, maybe try checking that impulse and reading up on the situation first?
*As I recall, this is not the first time you've done this.
@Mira ALL OF WHAT YOU SAY. Stuffisthings, I recommend reading what Mira wrote, again and again, over and over. And, like, internalizing it. (Hint: you are being one of Those Guys.)
@stuffisthings "I just read a bit more about him"
Probably should've started there.
@stuffisthings Yeah, I don't think all those women on the internet discussed by the interviewees saying HS is the worst were off the mark there, with their intimate experiences of his misogynist appropriative exploitative behavior and the pointing out of his gig as a widely published tenured professor dealing in gender studies. And also a pathetic joke. That too. But least important.
@stuffisthings He actually is representative of a broader trend. Or, maybe not "trend" exactly, but tendency - the tendency that some men have to make every conversation All About Them, even when their perspectives aren't needed, wanted, or useful. Perhaps especially then. That's important and when one of the most high-profile practitioners of his extra-gross brand of exploitation leaves the Internet, we're allowed to celebrate it. Publicly speaking as a feminist when you aren't actually a feminist really is a serious problem for feminism, especially when the speaker is a dude, because by virtue of his gender he will be taken more seriously by more people who are more willing to listen to him than will any dozen actual feminists who happen to be women. It's naive at best to pretend that this doesn't happen.
I think most of us have met that guy City_Dater mentions at the top of the comments, capital-F Feminists who can't stop talking about their own feelings and thoughts and can't be bothered to listen to women or give a shit about any of us, in particular. They're constantly trying to redirect conversations to center themselves, or the Extremely Clever Points they want to make at the expense of listening or engaging on anything that might make them uncomfortable, or might mean that they have to acknowledge that a woman might know more about a particular subject than they do.
I don't mean to be a jerk, because I like your comments and think you're generally a thoughtful and interesting dude, but making jokes comparing feminists who don't like male faux-feminists who cheat on their wives, try to kill their girlfriends, and attack women of color to intraparty anti-fascist fights in the Spanish Civil War (because you...like making Spanish Civil War jokes? Even when they have nothing at all to do with the subject at hand?) is in my view not a bad illustration of that dynamic, actually.
@stuffisthings I ... think you just called me a Stalinist?
I am pretty sure that word does not mean what you think it means, but sure, whatever.
@stuffisthings About the Spanish civil war? Yeah, No.
The fascists had the backing of Germany and "il duce" a large section of the Spanish elite, and the non interference of the rest of the west. The republicans had Hemingway and Stalin. A mismatched duet at the best of times.
We can debate the causes and reasons for the republican defeat, but suffice it to say to point to ever finer dialectical debates as the cause is pretty
There is always a tendency in every movement for ever finer Trotskyist revisions of dialectic (watching the republicans in Wyoming is quite a good example) . As a male I don't worry about whether I am an ally, or enemy or am "allowed". I just do the next ethical thing which generally aligns very closely with the goals of feminism.
@stuffisthings by all means, Spanish Civil War jokes are rad as can be.
I could easily change a few keywords in what you wrote and it could be a POUM communique about the Popular Front.
(which for the record is how I read your first comment, and why I responded the way I did, so having already said what I did say, I will just go with:)
... so what? I mean, feminism is an ideology, and if you actively engage in behavior that directly contradicts that ideology, then I don't think it's fair to claim it as your own.
I'm totally comfortable saying that words have meanings, is what I'm trying to say.
@stuffisthings Ah, I see. I definitely think it's possible to be a dude and also a feminist! That's not a barrier to entry in my mind. But the thing is, I don't think Hugo was someone who did a good job of being a feminist, or even being feminist-adjacent, primarily because his attempt at being an ally, such as it was, centered himself and not women. It seemed like it was all about how he could get the most brownie points for saying the most radical (I mean, "radical") things.