@noReally I dunno; I don't see doctors or daughters as unfailing arbiters regarding ethical decisions, especially when it comes to a subject people are squeamish about. I don't think we have any way of knowing whether she wanted sex, was indifferent to sex but liked making someone happy, had no idea what was going on, or was raped by an abusive spouse.
I think a lot of people would do well to remember that there are a lot of ways to have children in their lives without full-time parenting themselves; as "aunties" to friends' children, program volunteers, foster parents, etc. Parents are generally less happy than non-parents... save yourselves!
I solve this by saying "no" when I mean no.
Additional advice for L1: you probably don't need to have as many clothes as you think. Rewearing your "best" clothes frequently is better than adding variety with less appropriate pieces (or debt).
What's wrong with suit salesmen?
@ru_ri I might go for, "Reducing herd immunity puts infants and immunocompromised people at risk, so I don't think it's an ethical decision."
@stonefruit It is interesting! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9433057 is one citation, 8-9 cases per year caused by OPV after wild virus eradicated. (IPV now used so it's not an issue in the US but is in some countries.)
@stonefruit Yes, big epidemics were before vaccines! In the period between when wild polio was eradicated in the US and the inactivated vaccine was widely utilized, the only cases were vaccine-induced. Im guessing 1970-2000 on dates. It's incredibly rare, but another case when there were legitimate reasons for individuals to opt out of vaccination even though it probably still benefited the population as a whole.
@Ophelia Isn't it? If government scientists in the past said various vaccines were safe, and it turned out they weren't, isn't it logical to assume they could be mistaken again?
Again, I believe in vaccine safety and their statistical benefits, but don't think it's illogical to question it. And believe that requiring vaccines would be a nightmare and lead to further fear and distrust of the government.
In defense of anti-vaxers, there have been a number of vaccines that were pulled because of bad side effects. While I personally trust the track records of all the vaccines currently used in the US, past history leads some legitimacy to fears. (Remember that vaccines were the ONLY way people got polio in the US for a while, until they moved to the current dead vaccine.) When you know about those sorts of issues, and your cousin's kid coincidentally developed health issues after the MMR or whatever, and your kids' personal risk of ill effects from contracting measles are vanishingly low, there is a logic to their choices.