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How I Found Out I Didn't Have the Herpes I'd Been Living With for Four Years

This story is an update to this story, published here in April 2012.

Six months ago, I sat waiting in my gynecologist’s exam room chair, fully clothed and wishing I were anywhere else. At that particular moment, I’d even have preferred being naked and spread-eagled on the paper-lined bed. It’s not true what they say about the stirrups being the worst part of the ladyparts exam room: it’s the chair. Once you’re clothed and in the chair, it means you’re there to talk.

You never forget your first time debriefing with your gynecologist. Mine was four years ago, at age 22, when I sat crumpled in a chair just like this. A few days before, I’d had a rough romp of casual oral sex, a one-night head-stand. Minutes after the guy went down on me, I felt that something wasn’t right with my vagina, and two days later, I broke out in sores. “You poor thing,” the nurse practitioner at my college’s health center told me. “You have herpes.”

“Don’t I need to be tested?” I choked out between sobs. She’d cocked her head and tossed me a pity smile, as if to say, don’t you think I’ve seen enough herpes to know what it looks like?

My sores couldn’t be anything else, she told me. It didn’t matter if it was HSV-1 or HSV-2, because once it presents genitally, herpes is herpes. And it’s mine for life.

I never got another outbreak, but at 22, I still entered the dating world feeling like damaged goods. I was young, healthy, attractive, and grateful to anyone who agreed to fuck me after I told him I had herpes. (Only at first. As I wrote on this site a year and a half ago, herpes eventually helped me become a better dater and gravitate toward decent men.) But the conversation—the “before we do this, I have to tell you something” routine—never got easy. And the diagnosis inevitably warped the way I thought about myself. I no longer felt like a free agent in the world of love and sex; instead, I assumed I’d have to settle a notch or two down from the man who could have loved a herpes-free me. I may never have had another sore, but I still felt marked.

Four years after being diagnosed, I was at the gyno for my annual pap smear when I decided to order the sex-haver’s special: tests for HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia and syphilis. I also figured it was time to meet my herpes, so I requested an off-menu HSV blood test that isn’t considered part of the routine STD-screening panel. “If you don’t hear from us by Wednesday, everything’s normal,” the doc told me.

And then the “we found something” call never came. That wasn’t my normal.

I called the lab to see what had happened to my test. “Oh yeah, here you are,” the lab tech told me as she pulled up my record. “You’re negative for everything.”

What.

“No,” I told the tech. “Check again. I definitely have herpes.”

“I don’t know who told you that, but you don’t,” she said. Both of my blood tests for HSV-1 and HSV-2 were negative. 

I was mad and confused. I sat with the news for a moment, though, and soon became madly happy and extremely horny. My libido unshackled itself, tore off its scarlet H. Suddenly, every man on the street was a possible conquest again. The idea that I could have sex with anyone I wanted—no preambles, just straight to the sack—was a real turn-on. I sent the ex-boyfriends I’m on good terms with excited “Guess what!!!” texts and eye-fucked on the subway.

It’s funny, but the blood test had finally confirmed how I always felt about having herpes: that I didn’t. But what had happened to it?

Surely, my gyno could tell me. I gathered up my college medical records to show her—a real doctor, I reassured myself, no nurse practitioner. Any minute now, she’d thumb through the pages and declare null and void my four-year-old misdiagnosis. “Wow,” she’d say. “She really screwed that one up.” Maybe we’d even laugh. Then I’d skip off somewhere to have perfect sex.

But first there was the matter of the disappearing herpes.

I brought a notepad, eager to remember every word of my emancipation. “Let’s just see here,” my gynecologist said. She studied my records while I sat with notebook open, ready to right my sex life.

“Well,” she said. “Reading your chart, yes, it really sounds like herpes.”

I stared at her. No, I thought. Didn’t she hear? I’m negative.

“We’re not living in some third-world country,” she continued. “I don’t expect your sores to be some new mutant STD.”

“Then why is my blood test negative?” I asked. Hot tears ran down my face and dripped on my blank notebook. I was pissed. I started transcribing.

“Sometimes the antibodies for herpes just go away, and blood tests can no longer detect them,” she told me as she closed my file.

“Is that the best explanation you have?” I asked.

“I’m not going to lie,” she told me, “it’s a little weird.”

I was being diagnosed all over again, my shiny new sex life ripped from me as carelessly as it had been before. “What am I supposed to tell people?” I demanded.

“As a human being,” she said, “you have two choices. You can go by the blood work, which is negative, but then you risk putting someone else in the same unhappy situation you’re in now.”

She handed my file back to me, as if she felt we were done here. “Or you can go through the act of telling this to everyone for the rest of your life, which is horrific.”

•••

 
I almost left it at that. I almost kept disclosing.

Just the threat of passing my herpes-in-question along was enough to make me wonder if anything had really changed. But something had changed. I wasn’t about to let myself be misdiagnosed again.

So I called up the world’s leading experts in herpes to ask a seemingly simple question: do I have herpes or not?

Apparently, I’m not the only one who’s ever asked.

“People and clinicians have minimized herpes—it’s not important, people don’t die from it, et cetera," Dr. Leone said. "They don’t acknowledge that emotionally, it’s traumatic.”

“I think your type of story is one happening a lot more than we care to admit,” said Peter Leone, MD, professor of medicine at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine and medical director of North Carolina HIV/STD Prevention and Control Branch. (He’s also served as a herpes expert for the New York Times). Dr. Leone hears stories like mine all the time, he said; last year, he got a call from a woman in Kuwait, whose gynecologist had told her she had herpes. “She was told that her life, in terms of anyone wanting her, was over,” he said. The woman phoned Dr. Leone out of the blue, pleading for his advice. He recommended a blood test. It came back negative: she didn’t have herpes.

“If you go in and the clinician tells you you have herpes, you damn well better make sure that visual diagnosis is correct,” Dr. Leone said. “Because it may not be.”

Part of what’s happened, Dr. Leone said, is that HIV sucked all the oxygen out of the room when it came to STDs. “People and clinicians have minimized herpes—it’s not important, people don’t die from it, et cetera. They don’t acknowledge that emotionally, it’s traumatic.”

Follow me down the herpetic rabbit hole, which is muddied first by stigma and second by the fact that, biologically, the herpes infection is rather complicated. The other expert I spoke with, H. Hunter Handsfield, MD, is Professor Emeritus of Medicine at the University of Washington Center for AIDS and STD. It’s one of the hardest STDs to teach to medical students, he said, and he dedicates more time lecturing about it than almost any other infection. “It is complex for a lot of doctors out there,” he said. “A lot of practitioners don’t have the level of nuance.”

As you might already know, herpes is actually two different viruses: HSV-1 and HSV-2. They’re not site-specific and can occur interchangeably on mouth or genitals, the most popular manifestations being oral HSV-1, genital HSV-1, or genital HSV-2. Here’s herpes by the numbers: up to 50-60 percent of the population has HSV-1. The vast majority of those are oral infections—think cold sores, for those with symptoms—and probably under 10 percent are genital infections.

HSV-2 is almost always genital, which makes things much more simple. (People rarely contract HSV-2 on their lips, but of those who do, nearly all also have it genitally.) HSV-2 affects about 17 percent of adults, but here’s the scary part: 85 percent of those infected don’t know they have it.

The type matters tremendously, both experts told me. About 40 percent of people with an initial HSV-1 outbreak will never have another. The rest will get one or two outbreaks over the next couple years, Dr. Handsfield said—and then usually nothing after that.

Those with HSV-2 have it much worse. Of those people who acquire HSV-2 and whose initial infection causes symptoms, they’ll have an average of four to eight outbreaks a year for the next several years. “It’s very different than HSV-1, which is something that people really need to know and want to know ahead of time,” Dr. Handsfield said. “If you’re unlucky enough to have herpes, but it turns out to be HSV-1, you can say, well, I’m in a nicer category.”

But shedding—when the virus surfaces to the skin and can be transmitted to someone else in the absence of symptoms—is the real reason everyone is terrified of herpes. Thanks to asymptomatic viral shedding, you can get it when skin looks perfectly normal. It’s the reason doctors like mine urge disclosure before every sex act.

“With HSV-2, you not only have frequent symptomatic outbreaks, but you have high rates of the virus being present in the absence of symptoms,” Dr. Handsfield said. In fact, 70 percent of HSV-2 transmissions happen without symptoms, since people with HSV-2 shed practically all the time, said Dr. Leone.

As for HSV-1, anyone who’s ever had a cold sore sheds from the mouth 13-18 percent of the time, Dr. Leone said. And what of the folks infected with HSV-1 genitally? How often do they shed?

“It appears that genital-to-genital HSV-1 transmission is rare,” Dr. Handsfield said. So rare, in fact, that neither of the two doctors had ever seen a case: to their knowledge, not a single one of their patients has ever spread a genital HSV-1 infection to someone else’s genitals.

Let’s get this straight: HSV-2 and oral HSV-1 both shed fairly frequently, while genital HSV-1 appears to shed rarely, if at all. So who should really be disclosing?

Doctors, including these two experts, strongly agree that people with genital HSV-2 should always disclose, since they’re likely to pass along the infection without symptoms.

As for genital HSV-1? That’s less solid ground, because there’s no precise data and it hasn’t been formally studied, Dr. Handsfield said.

“You cannot find consensus on this,” Dr. Leone said. “You won’t find clear recommendations.

“I’ll be honest with you," he continued, "I even question whether or not you need to disclose that you have genital HSV-1 to someone. If you’re not having an outbreak [of genital HSV-1], you’re probably not shedding, and you’re not going to be transmitting it to somebody else. And we don’t think that genital-to-genital transmissions are very common, so why are we telling folks to disclose? You may feel obligated and think that ethically, it’s something you should do. I would encourage you to do it if you feel that way. But from a biological standpoint, I’m not really sure we can make any recommendations around your need to disclose.”

Dr. Handsfield seems to agree. As long as I use protection, Dr. Handsfield told me, “I think you can make a perfectly valid ethical argument that there’s no need for disclosure because the risk of transmission, even if you’re infected, is very, very low.”

That leaves oral HSV-1. “I think people who have a history of cold sores should be disclosing before they perform oral sex on someone, because that’s where the transmission occurs,” Dr. Leone said.

This all came as a huge shock to me. All these years, I’d been disclosing a hypothetical risk, one neither expert had ever seen in their decades of practice. After every promising third date, I’d spend hours readying myself for my herpes speech, sometimes just to be politely kicked out once I gave it. Yet how many people who’ve gotten a couple of cold sores out there tell all their new partners, “I have herpes”?

“It makes no sense,” said Dr. Leone. “The people who are really transmitting are the ones who are sort of getting away with not disclosing.”

Of course, this is all a lot more nuanced than anything you’ll hear from a gyno visit. Genital herpes is so stigmatized that the facts are secondary to the myth.

Both experts want that to change. They’re part of the expert opinion symposium that helps revise the CDC treatment and counseling guidelines for STDs every four years. (Dr. Handsfield has been one of the experts since the CDC started the symposium in the mid 1980s.) This year, Dr. Leone sat on the herpes panel. Though he admits his opinion is a little further out on the fringe than the rest of the group, he said that this year, they added a section on HSV-1 that distinguishes it from HSV-2 and stresses the need for accurate diagnosis. “When the STD treatment guidelines come out [in 2014], they won’t be treating HSV-2 and HSV-1 the same way,” Dr. Leone said.

Genital herpes is so stigmatized that the facts are secondary to the myth.

Right now, a visual diagnosis—no tests, just a “you have herpes”—is the standard route for practitioners to diagnose a herpes outbreak. The CDC endorses “visual inspection” as a valid form of diagnosis on their website. Somewhere between 60-85 percent of the time, clinicians make a correct visual diagnosis, Dr. Leone said, but that leaves a pretty big possibility that it’s something else. Patients and their doctors can confuse irritated genital symptoms like herpes, yeast infections, and allergic reactions to vaginal hygiene products, Dr. Handsfield said.

Most people wouldn’t want to take a 20 percent chance that they’ve wrongly diagnosed a lifelong disease. So why wouldn’t doctors just conduct a simple test?

“They’re lazy, they’re ignorant, and they don’t like talking about sex,” Dr. Leone said. That reticence is especially alarming when it comes to oral sex, since more people are getting herpes through head than ever. “We’ve seen a decline in the number of kids growing up who acquire herpes labialis (of the mouth) in childhood,” Dr. Leone explained. Because these kids lack HSV antibodies, more and more are acquiring HSV-1 through oral sex in adolescence and early adulthood—and yet nobody talks about it. “That’s why I don’t necessarily hate to hear Michael Douglas talk about his cunnilingus in a macho, championship way,” he said. “It is good that there’s someone now who is bringing up oral sex in the general population dialogue, because we don’t discuss it.”

Including gynecologists. Dr. Leone said he’s heard clinicians give all kinds of excuses for not testing patients for herpes, mostly along the lines of why find out, when there’s nothing my patient can do about it? “You sort of have a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy around herpes,” Dr. Leone said.

Maybe because lots of doctors don’t want to deal with herpes, they sometimes miss the only opportunity to nail it definitively: during the first outbreak. The gold-standard for diagnosing herpes is called a PCR–polymerase chain reaction–a test that looks for the virus in the sore, Dr. Handsfield said. After that, it can get really fuzzy (especially if you stop having outbreaks.)

Blood tests are the next best, but they’re far from perfect. If you have HSV-2, they’re great—a blood test will only miss about one percent of people with the infection. But HSV-1 blood tests are far less reliable. For starters, many people test positive for HSV-1, since the test isn’t site-specific. Of those who test negative (like I did) 10-15 percent are actually false negatives, which means that the results could say you’re not infected when you are. (As my gynecologist suggested, antibody levels are sometimes undetectable.) By comparison, syphilis, HIV, and hepatitis B have almost no false negatives, Dr. Handsfield said. HSV-1 has probably the highest false-negative rate.

I could safely rule out HSV-2, since my blood test was negative and I didn’t get recurrent outbreaks. But I could still be one of those 10-15 percent with invisible HSV-1.

If so, I’d have to try pretty hard for a positive diagnosis. The only sure way to tell is to wait for another outbreak (chances are, one won’t ever come) and have the lesion tested then. Or I could special-order a more sensitive herpes blood test called the Western blot, which is analyzed almost exclusively at the University of Washington. And if that comes back negative, the herpes-free diagnosis still isn’t 100 percent.

What’s a girl to do, with no recurrences, a negative blood test, and this infuriating margin of error?

Neither doctor could diagnose me as having or not having HSV-1 over the phone. “At this juncture, if I were a betting man and going to Las Vegas, I would have to go right on the simple bets, red versus black, 50-50 either way,” said Dr. Handsfield. But Dr. Leone wagered that it wasn’t herpes or any STD, judging by my extremely quick onset of symptoms and pair of negative blood tests. Even if the blood test was wrong and I did have it, I almost certainly wasn’t putting anyone at risk.

“Just move on with your life,” Dr. Leone said at last. “You don't need to disclose anything to anyone. And try not to get herpes.”

I thought I’d never have another herpes conversation after being cleared. Recently, I met someone—a doctor, of all professions—and was so relieved not to have to tell him. But something strange happened about a month into dating and sex: I wanted to tell him. Not as a confession or a caveat, but as a path to pair-bonding. I wanted to share this deeply personal thing with him, this part of me that’s informed my experience with love and sex and intimacy. So I made one final disclosure.

“Wow,” he said after my long, over-complicated speech. “I like how your first instinct is to call up the world’s leading herpes experts.” That was it. Then he held me, kissed me, and slipped with me under the sheets for some truly perfect sex.

•••
 

“There’s a lot of bullshit out there on the web,” Dr. Handsfield told me, but for those seeking accurate herpes info, he recommends these sites:

American Sexual Health Association, a non-profit agency for sexual health information with a particular historical interest for herpes (Dr. Handsfield is on the board of directors).

Westover Heights Clinic, a private STD clinic in Oregon with incredibly thorough herpes information, counseling, and even disclosure tips.

•••

 
Photo via senoranderson/flickr.

Previously: The Perks of Herpes



119 Comments / Post A Comment

celeec4@twitter

Really interesting read, and points out that as much as we want black/white yes/no answers, there often aren't any when it comes to medical recommendations. The forthrightness is admirable, and so is the reaction to confusion, let's call up some experts! I really adore that, and thank you too, for sharing knowledge.

One thing, though, and this is totally easy to get wrong, but a Western blot is a general molecular biology technique, like PCR. It isn't specifically the name of a test of HSV-1. It would probably be more correct to say that the alternative test was to Western blot for HSV-1 serology in the blood. I think.

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fabel

Ooh shit, I admit I skimmed most of this, as my main goal was to leap into the comments section, but this happened to my friend, apparently. He was diagnosed in 2009-ish, thought he had herpes (HSV-2, genital) & then recently got tested all over again, & was negative. The doctor said it may have been shingles (he did have shingles in 2009-ish also, & as everyone knows from those terrible commercials, IF YOU'VE EVER HAD CHICKEN POX, THE SHINGLES VIRUS IS ALREADY INSIDE OF YOU)

But yes, chicken pox, shingles, herpes zoster (which can show up anywhere?) all reads the same in the blood? (Someone please correct me if I'm explaining terribly, or am downright wrong, but that was my understanding)

celeec4@twitter

@fabel Was your friend diagnosed for herpes visually or by a blood/antibody test?

Chicken pox and shingles are caused by the same virus, varicella zoster. What the tests generally "read" are antibodies in one's blood specific to the virus.

Miss Ursula

@fabel Yes, chicken pox, shingles, and herpes zoster are the same in the sense that the "root" of these things is the same virus, which is varicella. All of those things will read the same in the blood because the causative agent is the same.

However, varicella (aka herpes zoster) is not the same as herpes simplex (HSV), and herpes simplex is, you know, "herpes herpes." To my knowledge (I'm an MD) and some google reading, having had varicella shouldn't turn an HSV antibody test positive.

Does that make sense? Medicine frequently does a terrible job of naming things.

Quinn A@twitter

Excellent piece, thank you!

Bunburying

This was pretty great! I've never had any herpes symptoms, but I'm pretty resigned to the idea that either I have it anyway or I eventually will before I die. I'm fascinated by the stigma it has for being such a commonplace infection.

MandyMcAwesome

@Bunburying THIS^^^ This is how I have always felt about it. I never knew why people would talk such trash about it when I was so certian that we all had/would have it.

abigailnicole

I worked in a herpes lab for three years and am now a med student (who actually got STD lectures today). Reading & writing scientific papers on herpes has given me a huge appreciation for the virus. It's co-evolved with us for at least 3 million years, mostly just hangs out not causing problems, and a huge part of the population has it.

It's also important to note that serologic tests are variable; serologic tests on the same person can show up negative and then positive at different times. My boss, who did herpes research for more than 30 years, was convinced that almost everyone had exposure to, and possibly infection with, both HSV-1 AND HSV-2, and that most people would never know it. It just hangs out in your body! You're going to be okay.

tl;dr after working in a herpes lab for 3 years, I do not think herpes is a big deal and most people have it anyway. Let's stop stigmatizing disease!

stuffisthings

@abigailnicole "I worked in a herpes lab for three years" would make a great title for a Billfold post. Just sayin'.

antilamentation

@abigailnicole I think people in different parts of the world freak out a lot less about herpes than (from what I can gather) is the case in the US.

It's less of a big deal here in the UK - or maybe people are more matter of fact about it. I mean, I don't recall anyone I know here who has talked about having herpes acting as if it's shameful, or their sex life is over, or anything like that. It's just that they and their partners are a bit more careful, and life goes on.

glitterary

@antilamentation Yup. People in the UK just aren't as fussed, at least not about oral herpes. Cold sores are just something most people get--you avoid kissing if you've got one, maybe disclose before oral sex (I do, even though I haven't had a cold sore in years and years, but a lot of people don't) but otherwise don't let it spoil your fun.

Personally, I feel that when most of the population has something, it's on the minority of people who are worried about contracting it to ask, rather than for the majority to disclose without being prompted--I just assume everyone I kiss may have it, and isn't showing symptoms.

carolionthegreat

@abigailnicole I know you IRL! This is Caroline from Tulane. Fun fact, the Dr. Handsfield in this article is my boyfriend's uncle.

Also I totally agree with you, we definitely need to stop stigmatizing STIs.

tuntastica

Aaargh. I cried when I read your first article. Now I'm so happy for you! But also so furious at that nurse. Ugh, it is so hard out here for a bitch.

sunflowernut

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WRITING THIS. You are my hero. There is basically NO info out there for people with genital HSV-1. All the information out there about genital herpes is about HSV-2 specifically. I am so much in your debt for this article, as someone who has recently gone back into the dating world with genital HSV-1.

lasso tabasco

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

RNL
RNL

Fascinating stuff! And what an emotional story.

My boyfriend gets some kind of crazy eye herpes every 5 years or so. It's actually pretty dangerous to his vision. When we first were dating I totally googled the stuff in his medicine cabinet and was like "herpes medicine. hmm." As a cold-sore sufferer though, I guess I was open-minded at the time.

celeec4@twitter

@RNL The common denominator in freak out or not when it comes to medical things is generally knowledge/education. Herpes is annoying but...not really too much to freak out about?

Part of why I try to cheerfully answer as many random science/medical questions as I am able to even when its outside of my direct field of knowledge/study.

emsiela

Yaaaaaay thank you for this! I mostly figured it out on my own, but in years of research this is the clearest article I have ever come across on gentical HSV-1. And way better info than any doctor ever gave me :( Oh, and moreover, in my pyschology of human sexuality class several years ago, the (new) prof got his facts on this wrong in front of about 200 students but I was too shy to call him out. Hopefully one day the stigma dies down and the facts become better known.

BattyRabbit

A similar experience happened to me this summer, except with genital warts. Quick diagnosis during a pelvic exam, no treatment or follow-up for 3 months because I lost health insurance, when I went back to the doctor I had no symptoms so they told me they might have been wrong. There's no way to tell, and I don't know what to tell people (though I disclosed to the person I'm seeing now because, like you with your boo, I *like* him. )

It was a very emotional and formative experience for me, and I really wanted to write something about it. I think this piece is 10,000x better than anything I could have come up with, and did everything for me that I hoped my imaginary writing would do. I thank you so much for writing it. I am going to share it everywhere.

RisaPlata

So, if your antibodies are at undetectable levels, does that mean that if you're exposed again you could get it again? Or is it like any other virus and now you're immune? (Working on the "have one outbreak and then never again" model.)

NeverOddOrEven

@RisaPlata Well if you have antibodies for one type you've already been exposed to it and can't 'get' it again. It's just a question of whether or not you have outbreaks.
However if you have 1 you can still get 2 and visa versa. Immunity only occurs for whatever type you've been exposed to and even then you theoretically can spread it to other parts of your own body.

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This happened to me! For about a year, before it "disappeared," I thought I had genital HSV-1. The worst part of it for me is that I accused the one-night-stand creep I'd recently slept with of giving it to me. I think of that email now and cringe.

Two things: if you have a strain genitally you can't get re-infected with the same strain orally, and vice-versa. And, from what I understand, having one strain gives you some lateral immunity to the other.

Mariah Mantis@twitter

Wait, so if I let somebody who gets cold sores (but doesn't necessarily have one at the time) go down on me, I have a 13-18% chance of getting herpes (because they're shedding 13-18% of the time)? How in the hell am I supposed to not get herpes? Dental dams for life?

NeverOddOrEven

@Mariah Mantis@twitter Pretty much. Or you roll the dice (like most of us I'd say) and A. Hope you don't get it and B. Hope you don't get recurrent outbreaks if you are infected.

turnip

@Mariah Mantis@twitter You are assuming that the rate of transmission from contact during asymptomatic viral shedding is 100%, it is obviously much lower than that.

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You know, I had an infection in the follicles of my pubic hairs once. It was crazy nasty and incredibly painful, and looked to (a well educated, well read, pretty well abreast of these things) me like genital herpes. And of course the same behaviors that invite STD's can also open you up to other bacteria and virus that are not exclusively sexually transmitted, so the circumstantial evidence also supported herpes. But when I went to the health department for it, the nurse practitioner was able to tell they were not herpes sores. Though they did not offer me an antibiotic or even a topical cream, which is not so relevant but just looking back seems inappropriate. So, the symptoms of one affliction can masquerade as those of another, different affliction, and maybe the nurse you saw didn't take that into account as much as she should have. Probably a culture of one of your sores would have been a better diagnostic tool than her best educated guess.

smsk8

When I was first dating my now husband, I had a terrible outbreak. I had no idea what it was and when I went to my doctor, the nurse practitioner also told me it looked like herpes. To be sure, she did a test and I waited anxiously for the results. I waited and waited and finally called to find out what was going on. I got the run around and finally someone admitted that they had botched the results. So here I was, not knowing if I had this disease or not. Luckily, I only got one or two minor breakouts after that and I've been in the clear for years, so I'm pretty sure I've got HSV-1. And I was lucky, because I never had to have that "I might have herpes" conversation because I married the guy who gave it to me (from a cold sore). It still makes me angry though that I was left without a clue like that because someone screwed up the test, and that they couldn't even give me an honest answer. Needless to say, I never went back there.

what

Great essay. One thing I wish you would have discussed, though, is how the pharmaceutical companies have basically manufactured the herpes scare out of whole cloth as a way to push suppression drugs. I found your previous essay wonderful candid but thoroughly depressing. I thought encouraging people who have had a single HSV-1 outbreak to disclose to their future partners--in a world where the majority of adults have oral HSV-1 already and no social obligation to tell--was giving into the commercially-generated hysteria, and I'm glad that you struck a more neutral tone with this one.

NeverOddOrEven

@what As someone who has oral HSV-1 I can say that suppressive drugs are a fucking MIRACLE. I had an outbreak here and there over my 29 years until my body decided to have as many in just the last 6 months.
I'm all about destigmatization and sex positivity, but it's fucking unpleasant to say the least and not anything we should stop concerning ourselves with spreading, regardless of it's lack of 'danger.'

what

@NeverOddOrEven I'm not suggesting that suppression drugs are not godsends for many people; I am sure that they are. What I am pointing out is that there was no herpes stigma until a pharmaceutical company manufactured one. (http://projectaccept.org/herpes-stigma-the-origin) The fact is, most people with genital HSV-1 have one or two outbreaks in their entire lifetime, which is hardly a reason to go on daily, expensive medication forever. That said, the stigma they endure is enormous, despite the fact that there are no confirmed cases of genital HSV-1 transmission in the world, ever. As I am sure you know, oral HSV-1 is a different story.

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anonkneemouse

@what It's the same virus. HSV1 genital and HSV1 oral are the exact same infection, same exact virus, just presenting differently. It is misinformation mostly in this article. HSV1 genital transmitted sexually is more likely to present orally.

shokolatte

@anonkneemouse It's the same virus but two completely different strains.

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oh no this is a very frustrating read. it is 100% non-consentual to not disclose herpes with your partner. i understand the stigma surrounding the "disease"; but the whole point is that the reason it continues to be transmitted is that people don't talk about having it so it continually gets carried from one person to another with no knowledge of the original source. i'm upset that a doctor would tell you otherwise! and it's long been known that herpes disappears and the only time you can test for it is during flare ups. this frustration comes from someone who is in a committed relationship with a partner with herpes who has not had a flare up in years. and if he were to tell me "well, i think i have herpes but i'm not sure and like it doesn't really matter" when we first started dating instead of "i have herpes." we would have never established the relationship we have. this article, while comforting and nice for my lady parts to read, is not really the best advice. disclose information 100% of the time with your partner even if out of fear.

anyway, if we stop talking about these sorts of things because hopefully they don't really mean anything, then we lose the conversation over de-stigmatizing disease altogether!

anonkneemouse

@sissyemily It is easy for someone who doesn't have it to say that.

sissyemily

are you kidding. not disclosing this information is not only NOT sex positive, its also dangerous.

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lanacat27

Thank you again for having the bravery and for being one of the few people out there willing to talk about such a taboo topic and to recognize the nuance behind the herpes conversation. However, I was pretty disappointed at how you seemed to write of people with HSV-2. As someone afflicted by the "more of a bummer" strain, I have to bring up that I have not been told by my doctor, that we are ALL "always shedding". After 6 years of rarely getting outbreaks, but taking anti-viral meds twice a day, I was recently told by my doctor that because I take the medication and have been for so long, its very unlikely for me to pass it on in between outbreaks. Yeah, I still have to have that sucky "I got the H" conversation but at least I can stress the percentage of likeliness of me passing it on to them. Also, I have sufficient evidence to know that I have not passed it on to any of the men I've banged in the past five years. My point is not to encourage anyone from having reckless irresponsible sex and passing this drag of an affliction on to anyone, just that EVERYONE'S BODY IS DIFFERENT and it's a case by case basis. AND TAKE YOUR MEDICATION!!!

anonkneemouse

@lanacat27 HSV2 isn't any worse than HSV1, seriously. It's a matter of cold sores v genital sores. The only difference with HSV 1 is that it appears on both face or genitals, whereas 2 mostly prefers genitals.

tater bug

OMG. So, almost exactly two years ago I had swollen lymph nodes in my groin. I went to my primary care doc, and she tested me for "everything" except not HSV-1 or 2 which I didn't realize until exactly one year ago when I had viral meningitis and the PCR of my spinal fluid tested positive for HSV-2. I've never had any kind of outbreak. When I got the news that I tested positive for HSV-2 I FREAKED OUT. I had been admitted to the hospital for 5 days because of the meningitis and NOBODY (including infectious disease specialists) could answer my questions about the diagnosis--like, "can I give it to my boyfriend without an outbreak???" I nagged him for awhile to get tested, because if he were negative, I would have used prophylactic valtrex, but of course he never did. I will never know how, where, or when I first got the virus. When I asked my primary doc why she tested me for everything BUT HSV she said "well if you were positive, there isn't anything you could do with the information" UM...seriously? Maybe prevent from spreading it? Or maybe, have an inkling of what was causing my brain to swell?Anyway, thank you for this. I've still never had an outbreak, and obviously my boyfriend doesn't care all that much if he never got tested, and he doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.

Pamelot

I just read your posting. I am really scared because I just got my preliminary lab report back and I tested 6.5H for Herpes Simplex Virus (HSV) Type 1 - I have not been feeling well and I have had a funny strange sensations in my head. I have never had herpes and I have been married for 34 years. You mentioned something about your brain swelling. Are you okay now? What did they do to treat you? Are you considered contagious? So many questions and I am literally scared to death here. Anything you can offer will help.

Heather@twitter

Thanks for this article. I wish there had been/am surprised there wasn't a comment on the potential risks of genital to oral transmission of hsv-1. Kinda funny considering both doctors mentioned how little discussion around oral sex there is.

I'm a hsv-1 (genital) carrier, picked up from my 'settled down' relationship where my partner didn't disclose their coldsores. I know my risk of transmission is approaching zero, but it's still important ethically for me to disclose. On the plus side, it's really given me insight into how my potential lovers treat sex education, safer sex practices, and how they handle "problems" - talk about a way to learn a lot about a person!

MrsSekone

Something really similar happened to a friend of mine... Her doctor told her she had herpes and left it at that. When he couldn't give her all the information she began doing her own research. After a year of digging and going to other doctors she found out that she have the HSV-1 that basically never reappears after the first time (I think that is the right one). It was so sad for me to watch one doctor's choice to stamp her as damaged but not give her all the information she should have had have such a damaging effect on how she viewed herself. I am really proud of how like the writer she didn't settle on what her first doctor told her and searched out the answers. I know I learned a lot through her experience and now push all my doctors to tell me the whole story... Its our bodies and lives on the line!

lunaesque

So....I have to break the news (and I have posted about this on another site, in case this sounds familiar)--I caught HSV1 genitally apparently from holding hands with a little kid who had been picking at his cold sores (this was back in the 80s when people had hardly heard of herpes), going to the bathroom, and spreading the herpes to myself maybe when I was wiping myself?? My boyfriend (later husband) and I used condoms for about a year and a half, then decided to only use them when I had an outbreak. He DID end up catching herpes from me shedding the virus WITHOUT an outbreak.

And before anybody says "One or both of you probably already had herpes and just didn't know it," we each had the viral prodrome indicating the initial outbreak (fever and achy joints that only happens with the initial infection, prior to actual outbreak of sores).

So you can (and I did) shed the HSV1 virus even when I wasn't having an outbreak. The proof is that my boyfriend caught it from me during a time when I wasn't having outbreaks. The good news is I stopped having outbreaks fairly quickly, although I did have some coldsores this past winter when I was rundown.

I am very, very surprised to hear a expert saying you don't shed HSV1 genitally. My experience is very different. Perhaps with a negative blood test, you don't need to disclose. But I REALLY question the "people don't shed HSV1 genitally" part.

DoMark

Thank you for this article! My experience with HSV is similarly confused. About six years ago, my boyfriend at the time had a scary outbreak on his man parts. We went to a clinic and the blood test came back positive for HSV 1. We both assumed that I gave it to him because the outbreak occurred when we were together, but I never got tested (in retrospect, I cringe at my decision to blindly accept that it was my "fault" and not question that assumption). We had unprotected sex for years and neither of us had an outbreak. So when we broke up last year, I got tested for STDs including HSV 1 and 2, and was negative for both. I got tested again a few months later and was again negative. I'm not sure what the moral of the story is, except to second the sentiment that HSV is super confusing!

Queeeen

I am curious to know if I'm the only one disappointed by this article. I was diagnosed with HSV2 a year and a half ago after being in a committed, monogonous relationship for a year and a half. We had both been tested for STDs prior to sleeping together. Too bad we didn't know HSV isn't tested for. Turns out he had long term antibodies when I was diagnosed. The diagnosis tore our relationship apart and I'm left trying to pick up the pieces even a year later.

The first article this author posted got me through many long nights. Anytime I was feeling horrible about myself I would read it. It was like my security blanket. After hearing jokes all day that had me trying to swallow my tears I would read this and it would make me feel better

This article, in a way, discredits everything about the way the previous one made me feel. I feel like its putting down those with the "worse" form of the disease. It is ironically stigmatizing those with HSV2, and condoning non disclosure and essentially lessening the burden for those with HSV1. Since I have HSV2 I'm supposedly shedding all of the time? Well shit. I better quarantine myself now since I'm bound to infect anything I touch. This is what this article says to me. I am so disappointed.

I'm happy for the author. But this article makes me feel stigmatized all over again. And what's worse is its by someone who has been in my position.

Kiiiiing

@Queeeen I'm very sorry to hear that. But, I'd like you to know that I (knowingly) dated a girl with HSV2 for quite a while, and I can honestly say it never negatively impacted the relationship. I'll admit, the idea of contracting it was something that crossed my mind from time to time, but ultimately the reward of being with her was greater than the risk of contracting a disease-a disease that, in my opinion, is far too stigmatized to begin with. I feel like the emotional damage is by far the most potent damage herpes causes (I.e. the feeling of being "tainted", or "dirty").

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yeah, having herpes is a big deal to a lot of people. But not to everyone. Sometimes the reward is worth the risk. I've no regrets about that particular relationship (aside from the usual "Jesus christ, I'm such an asshole, how can I...empathy?" stuff I usually deal with).

Multiple times I let my biology get the best of me, and we had unprotected sex, which was something she never supported, of course. For all of those times, I never contracted HSV2. That might just mean I'm lucky, but it might also mean that, no, you're not shedding all of the time and you shouldn't have to quarantine yourself. I don't know. I'm obviously no expert. I'm just a guy who really loved a girl with HSV2 and didn't let it come between anything. It happens.

Also, yeah, I'm speaking about the relationship in past tense, which means we broke up, BUT, trust me, nothing to do with herpes. And on an only semi-related note, the sex was the best I've ever had. No apprehensions in that department.

I hope this helps you at least a little bit. Cheers.

anonkneemouse

@Queeeen HSV2 is actually much better because you are now practically immune to HSV 1 which is way worse because it puts cold sores on faces. Having HSV1 on the genitals is rare but not harder to transmit, just more likely to transmit to the face.

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No News

Thanks for a beautifully written and thought-provoking essay. As someone who was diagnosed in the mid-80s, and with maybe 3 outbreaks since then [every doc has simply taken my word for it], I think I have HSV-1. But I have always disclosed this to partners, and except for one instance, my little disclosure barely slowed them down. I've been married with kids for almost 15 years now, and I'm glad I did disclose. It forced me to be more conscious of my reproductive health, and religiously use condoms [I got it from my first love, after we both decided to be exclusive. I followed through on that; he didn't I later found out].
Over th years ago I would ask new docs about herpes. They'd squirm a bit, tell me there is no cure [like I didn't know],and often proceed to lecture me on how it put me at high risk for other STDs like HIV, etc. When I would ask how, clinically, I was at risk for these other STDs, their science was criminally vague. It all basically boiled down to them deciding that since I clearly indulged in "risky behaviors" [or else how would I have gotten herpes in the first place, in their mind] that meant I would continue on with my wicked ways until I got something terminal. Luckily, even in my early 20s [and this was pre-Internet], I knew their reasoning was stupid and gave them a look that said as much.
Back then, I chalked it up to racists docs who simply saw a black female with an STD. They saw a stereotype and not a professional woman with an Ivy League degree AND an STD asking for more nuanced info. Your wonderful essay and the experts interviewed shed a brilliant new light on my early experience [I chose better docs as I got older]. Maybe my early docs weren't racist, but were simply being "lazy" and "ignorant."

anonkneemouse

@No News Open sores during outbreaks make you more susceptible to physically contracting HIV, or so the theory goes...

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After being diagnosed with HSV a couple of days ago, I feel like I have scoured the internet to find some kind of help on how to feel normal. This article was written exactly in the way that I know I will feel in the next couple of months, and I am so grateful to finally read what life is really like with HSV. I cannot thank the author of this article enough even though this wasn't the original intent of the author. Herpes has such a bad stigma attached to it and I wish that others were more informed. This article spells out just about everything you could ever need to know about the virus. Again, thank you so much to the author.

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this exact thing happened to me when I was 18. I had really bad flu-like symptoms one night, then woke up the next morning with an outbreak of SOMETHING. One doctor told me it "looked like herpes" and almost a year later, my regular gyno told me it was not, all of my blood tests have always been negative, and I've never had another outbreak. It was great to read this article and know i'm not the only person out there that this has happened to!!

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Did you ever find out what the breakout that you had actually was? I'm terrified that I might have something.

anonkneemouse

If you've had an outbreak of extremely painful sores in the genital area that went away in a few weeks, then you have HSV (period). It doesn't show up in blood tests after a while, that doesn't mean it is gone. But, must you disclose it to casual sex partners? NO. Why? Because you should be using protection (remember HIV and HPV -- still out there people)! Your casual sex partner may not know whether or not they are disease free either. Don't need to disclose unless you are seriously in a long term loving unsafe sex relationship.

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overall i enjoyed reading about your experience, but your comments about nurse practitioners are ignorant. i doubt that your story would have been any different if you had seen a "real doctor" during your initial outbreak, and implying that this is all somehow the fault of an np is misguided.

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Randy Scott@facebook

Been a HIV positive is just like been through hell but EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE. So amazing and i want to testify of the good work done by GREAT BABA a very strong and powerful spell caster. GREAT BABA has proved science and scientists wrong for believing and thinking that there is no cure for HIV AIDS but to be sincere this GREAT MAN is so real and powerful. I never thought that this spell will work but this GREAT MAN has proved it to me and it has worked and still working perfectly. My Name is Randy Scott and i was diagnosed of the deadly disease called HIV AIDS in 2011 and i thought that is the end and there will be no hope. Speaking to anyone was always a problem because i was so worried and always in the state of unrest in fact i thought it was over until one blessed day when i was searching for help here on the internet, i came across a testimony about GREAT BABA on how he helped a lady who was HIV positive. At first i thought it was all a lie but i decided to give it a try since there was no option and, when i contacted this MAN he laughed and told me that, that is too small for him to handle but i was still in doubt, and he gave me a form to fill which I did, then he called me and told me that his gods required some items in which he will use in casting a curing spell on me and he told me that it will cost only $500, I sent him the money because I could not find the items. He bought the items and prepared a cure for me, and instructed me on what to do and i OBEYED him completely as he told me. Then he sent a parcel to me through the courier delivery service. I paid for the courier service, I got my parcel, it was a holy water and a pure holy oil as described by GREAT BABA. I took the holy water and the holy oil and after taking it, he told me to go for check up but I was still in doubt and was so afraid to go for the test but i took a bold step and believed that it is well, and i believed all what he has done and all that he has told me. So i went to the hospital for the test it was so amazing, awesome and exciting what seems to be impossible became possible, the VIRUS disappeared completely from my system and I was tested HIV negative. Quickly I called him and told him what happened he congratulated me and today i am a happy man again the way things use to be. Don't you think that this testimony is worth sharing? I promise to tell the world about him and i will keep sharing this testimony till the end because many people has died of AIDS and i want many people who believed that it is over to know that EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND I WANT THEM TO GET HELP FROM THIS SPELL CASTER by contacting him on his email at Highersolutiontemple@yahoo.com for your solution now. If you are hiv positive and you think that it is over i want to tell you that there is hope for you and if you truly and dearly value your life please contact him now. THIS IS REAL HE IS NOT A SCAM, BELIEVE HIM AND DON'T ASK TOO MUCH QUESTIONS. Thank you GREAT BABA and May your good gods keep rewarding you for your good deeds.

Favour Claudia@facebook

Am Mr lucky , my wife was suffering from HIV and the doctor told me that there was nothing that he could do to save my beloved wife. Then a friend told me about the herbal medicine that can cure HIV, i told him that my wife’s HIV was in the last stage that i don’t think the Herbal medicine would cure it and he persuaded me to try it, for the love of my wife, i decided to give it a try.I did some research and i found a doctor who helped me with the herbal medicine to cure my wife’s HIV and he assured me that after THREE WEEKS the HIV would be gone. kpeledesolutiontemple@gmail.com

I bought it and she used it,it worked exactly as the doctor prescribed it. Thanks to doctor Kpelede for taking away sorrow in my life. can you all imagine, that my wife have a 6 years old daughter and a 3 years old son, what would i have done.. God will bless Dr. Kpelede for helping me with herbal medicine and for his support and care.contact him for help: kpeledesolutiontemple@gmail.com or call him on his phone number:+2347038111854 what can i say unto my LORD, all i have to say is THANK YOU LORD.

Emmanuel Welum@facebook

MY NAME IS SUCCESS
I have a testimony to shell in world i was HIV positive for good two years
i was very happy to met a man off GOD how deliver me in HIV i want to yous this opportunity
to tike PASTOR EMMANUEL hoo pray for me and send me olivoill which i yous to cure the HIV/ADS if you need him to pray for you EMAIL pastor.emmanueldelivras@gmail.com OR CALL +2348069652500

Emmanuel Welum@facebook

do you know that there is a great man of GOD who can cure any deadly disease. Like Cancer, Hiv, syphilis, e.t.c. his name is EMMANUEL the man of god pary for me and i was deliver CANCER the you now that HIV or CANCER is a scripture sickness if you have one you can contact him now for consultations you can EMAIL pastor.emmanueldelivras@gmail.com OR call him now +2348069652500

Lawis Nelly@facebook

MY NAME IS SUCCESS
I have a testimony to shell in world i was HIV positive for good two years
i was very happy to met a man off GOD how deliver me in HIV i want to yous this opportunity
to tike PASTOR EMMANUEL hoo pray for me and send me olivoill which i yous to cure the HIV/ADS if you need him to pray for you EMAIL pastor.emmanueldelivras@gmail.com OR CALL +2348069652500

Lawis Nelly@facebook

do you know that there is a great man of GOD who can cure any deadly disease. Like Cancer, Hiv, syphilis, e.t.c. his name is EMMANUEL the man of god pary for me and i was deliver CANCER the you now that HIV or CANCER is a scripture sickness if you have one you can contact him now for consultations you can EMAIL pastor.emmanueldelivras@gmail.com OR call him now +2348069652500

Vera Morgan@facebook

I have just found the right one and the greatest spell caster on earth who has brought back my happiness and turned my world around by helping me get my ex partner and helped me get back my life cause i was totally frustrated after 6years of hardship and pain, a friend of mine buzz me on my email saying i should cheer up cause solution has come. At first i was like what are you saying, then she mentioned the name ‘EBOEHI’ and i must thank my savior Great DR EBOEHI who has play a very vital part of my life making me a great person and the most happiest person today you are a great man who is bless by powers with traditional healing spell caster, after Great DR EBOEHI has help me get my ex back he also help me recover what i have lost in past years i must thank him (Great DR EBOEHI) the life he has restored back for me and my happiness. Now i am doing well in my work and also with my partner, Great DR EBOEHI is a very great spell caster you need to know just meet him and with your problem and it will be over.. Email him via: (supernaturalspelltemple@gmail.com)

Vera Morgan@facebook

I have just found the right one and the greatest spell caster on earth who has brought back my happiness and turned my world around by helping me get my ex partner and helped me get back my life cause i was totally frustrated after 6years of hardship and pain, a friend of mine buzz me on my email saying i should cheer up cause solution has come. At first i was like what are you saying, then she mentioned the name ‘EBOEHI’ and i must thank my savior Great DR EBOEHI who has play a very vital part of my life making me a great person and the most happiest person today you are a great man who is bless by powers with traditional healing spell caster, after Great DR EBOEHI has help me get my ex back he also help me recover what i have lost in past years i must thank him (Great DR EBOEHI) the life he has restored back for me and my happiness. Now i am doing well in my work and also with my partner, Great DR EBOEHI is a very great spell caster you need to know just meet him and with your problem and it will be over.. Email him via: (supernaturalspelltemple@gmail.com)

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Nicole Tyler@facebook

I am out here to testify about the good work Dr Marvel has done in my life with his healing spell. I have be suffering fom HIV diseases for the past 8 months now before I came across Dr Marvel who healed me with his powerful healing spell. I never believe that Dr Marvel could ever get my HIV-AIDS cured with his healing spell, i have tried almost everything but i couldn't find any solution to my disease, despite all these happening to me, i always spend a lot to buy a HIV drugs from hospital and taking some several medications but no relieve, until one day i was just browsing on the internet when i come across a great post of a lady who was testifying about how she get cured of her HIV disease with the help of these great powerful healing spell caster called Dr Marvel. So i have to contact him, and he ask me some few questions and he said a thing i will never forget that anyone who contacted him is always getting his or her healing in just 3 days after doing all he ask from me, so i was happy all the time i heard that from him, so i did all things only to see that at the very day which he said i will be healed,I regain all the strength that has left me before back and i becomes very strong and healthy,this disease almost end my life, so i went to the hospital to give the final test to the disease and the doctor said i am HIV negative, i am very happy and grateful to Dr Marvel about the healing he have given to me with his healing spell. You can also email him for any kind of help via email extremespellhome@hotmail.com or directly through his website extremespellhome@hotmail.com. thank you once again Dr Marvel.i

Walsh Bob@facebook

I used to think magic was bogus but after my boyfriend left me for another girl, I felt open-minded and decided to try it. I contacted drstanleyspelltemple@hotmail.com for a love spell on my boyfriend to come back to me. Maybe I was desperate too. But this is real! He restored the love we had for each other. And now he proposed to me as Dr. Stanley promised he would! I am your friend forever and very grateful for all you have done for me. You can still call him through this number +2348038139297.

Emilhy Martins@facebook

I live in UK.This is a testimony I want to make.I was an HIV positive for 8 years taking anti retrovirus.As I was reading online some 5 months ago I saw a testimony on cure of HIV. I decided to give a try.Now as am telling you am very negative tested 4 times in 5 months after finishing mu cure.The cure is a pure herbs from Africa shipped to me through DHL.My cure took about 5days.Dear brothers and sisters if you are out there, please the cure is out and rush to have yours.If you are interested, email the researcher using dr.ekumaborspellhome@hotmail.com I will encourage every person who come across this mail to cure yourself if you are positive dr.ekumaborspellhome@hotmail.com
thank to dr.ekumabor

Daniel Raso@facebook

Hello, My name daniel raso, i want to give praise to Dr abiola who helped me to cure my HIV/AID disease, please help me to give thanks to him, he is a great man who God send from heaven to save people’s life, this man also save the life of my people who have HIV/AID, please thank this man for me, also if you have any type of problem you can also contact him to help you out on it, he is a powerful man, contact him at deadly.diseases.cure@hotmail.com
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Marian Williams@facebook

MY LIFE EXPERIENCE
I am LEONALD TURNER,I am a man who had two wives and children,two girls and five boy.my

first child is about 28year of age,three of my children have graduated from high college

and they have gotten a good place of work,these three children over their school year,i

didn't spent my money on them,either for buying books,fees and other expense,they struggle

and suffer with their mothers,while i was busy spending my money on young ladies,i slept

with different kinds of ladies a day,forgotten that i have wives and children at home.but

today,i am offering my thanks to doctor JAZA SHANGO,who save my life,i didn't know how i

was inflicted with HIV virus,and i never went for a check up,this virus ate me up,i became

very tinny,i could not move my body,legs to even stand up,i could not eat any thing,this

made my wives to rush me down to the Hospital,the first thing they did,is blood test,the

result,shown that i WAS HIV POSITIVE BUT it had transformed into AID,the DOCTOR said,they

had nothing to do,to save me from this virus from taking my life,so they were counting

days on me,my first son e mail my problems to DOCTOR JAZA SHANGO VIA

[jazashangospellhome@gmail.com],he didn't request for any payment,also what he asked for

the money that will be used to buy the items,which will be used to cast the curing spell

on me, so we gave him the money,after two days,i was feeling better,i was able to eat,sit

and stand,the fourth day we went for a check up i was healed,hahahahahahahahaha,I PROMISED

MY WIVES THAT I WILL NEVER CHEAT ON THEM AGAIN,BECAUSE,I have learn my lessons,thank to my

wives who never gave up on me and to my children who also accept me as a FATHER,BECAUSE I

DIDN'T WHAT IT,
THANKS TO DOCTOR JAZA SHANGO I AM THINKING OF WHAT TO DO FOR YOU,AS FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT

IS HIV POSITIVE PLEASE,RUN FOR YOUR THERE LIVE,WAST NO TIME... Area's OF SPECIALIZING
love spell
marriage spell
divorce spell
(1) If you want your ex back.
(2) If you always have bad dreams.
(3) If you want to be promoted in your office.
(4) If you want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) If you want to be rich.
(7) If you want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
(10) If you want to stop your divorce.
(11) If you want to divorce your husband.
(12) If you want your wishes to be granted.
(13) Pregnancy spells to conceive baby
(14) Guarantee you win the troubling court cases & divorce no matter how what stage
(15) Stop your marriage or relationship from breaking apart.
(16) If you have any sickness like (H I V), (CANCER) or any sickness.
(17) If you need prayers for deliverance for your child or yourself.
(18)are having legs or joint pain,that is making you not to walk well \
(19)weapon spell,such as [GUNS,CUTLASS,KNIFE,AXE AND BOTTLE]
[20]do you have LEGS OR JOINT PAINS
Once again make sure you contact him if you have any problem he will help you. contact him

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Marian Williams@facebook

Hello.........
my name is Mrs lawrenta pedro,i am from Manchester united,i am happily
married and blessed with kids,i am a business woman and my husband is
business man too we both operating provision store, on October 1st 2010 me
and my husband embank on a trip to South Africa,on our way back,we had a terrible
accident,that took my husband's life,while i was rushed to the hospital,by
god grace,i was still living,after a year and seven month,when my husband
were passed away,a man came to my house,and ask me to get married to him,
unknown, that he was HIV positive and i never bordered to conduct a check
up test with him,before,i accepted him into my life,why,because,he was so
cute,gentle and handsome young man,he was so caring.i never look at
him,like one that would be hiv positive.after two year of our marriage,my
body system began to weak up,all day i feel dizzy and lazy,and i began to
lose weight as well, so i went for a check up test ,for
[fever,hiv/aid,malaria],the result, show me that, i am HIV positive.so i
was afraid,that,i would die,so, i were running from hospitals,churches and
native doctors,searching for cure, because i didn't want to die.one day i
went to a pastor's house,i told him my problem;as i was telling the pastor
my problem, there was one man which was with us,which i never look at his
face,the pastor prayed for me,on my way out , this same man,who was siting
with us,called me,i was like asking myself why this man was calling me, so
i just manage to wait to hear out what he will say,he told me that,he will
like to introduce me to this spell caster man, his name is HIOYA,SO
i JUST SAID thanks and leaved,i never wanted to go and see this man called HIOYA,but a mind,ask me to go for a try,so i went there,i meant him and i explain everything to him,he cast a spell on me and he told me,after two weeks,i should go for a hiv check up test again,after two weeks,i went for the hiv test,which the result shows me that i am now HIV NEGATIVE,whaoooooooo. i was like mad at the hospital,very happy.....if you have any problem you are facing now.....

HE IS SPECIALIZING IN THE FOLLOWING SPELL.
love spell
marriage spell
divorce spell
(1) If you want your ex back.
(2) If you always have bad dreams.
(3) If you want to be promoted in your office.
(4) If you want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) If you want to be rich.
(7) If you want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
(10) If you want to stop your divorce.
(11) If you want to divorce your husband.
(12) If you want your wishes to be granted.
(13) Pregnancy spells to conceive baby
(14) Guarantee you win the troubling court cases & divorce no matter how what stage
(15) Stop your marriage or relationship from breaking apart.
(16) If you have any sickness like (H I V), (CANCER) or any sickness.
(17) If you need prayers for deliverance for your child or yourself.
(18)are having legs or joint pain,that is making you not to walk well
Once again make sure you contact him if you have any problem he will help you. contact him immediately via[ greathioyatemple@gmail.com]OR CONTACT +2348063140585

Sasha Kells@facebook

Hello, i want to testify no what Dr Lawrence did for me, i was infected with H.I.V disease wish cost me my relationship, and i was all alone till i met a friend of my who directed me to Dr Lawrence, i never believed in spell caster or voodoo till i met him, he casts a spell on me that cure me from H.I.V. if you need help or you have a problem, there is nothing Dr Lawrence can do,so e-mail him with this mail address: drlawrencespelltemple@gmail.com

John Sonia@facebook

Hello I’m 25 years old. I was in a sexual relationship with my ex-boyfriend for 5 years, we had rocky start for good 4 years then our relationship grew stronger and we were so happy and even planned to get married until he & my Mum had a blew, Mum called him awful names because he did not have a well-paying job. I did what any partner would and stood by my ex-boyfriend, then he decides to dump me by text and phone telling me that he was hurt by my Mum's behavior when they had a blew. I was mad when I noticed that he has reconciled with his old time fiance week after the blew with Mum, I don’t want the years that I have spent with him to waste because I knows that he truly love me but my Mum won’t allow us to get married.
I contacted Spiritual Doctor named Dr. Aikhomun from posts I saw on blogs. This powerful Spiritual Doctor helped me to change the mind of my Mum to like him and also broke the relationship he had with his new fiance. Our feelings are stronger now, he loves and appreciates me. We have now got back to where we were happy, affectionate, passionate, romantic and loving. We will soon get married. I am so happy right now to share Doctor Aikhomun email to someone out there that is suffering from heart break, contact him with; Aikhomunspellhome@yahoo.com or Aikhomunspellhome@gmail.com
thank you

John Sonia@facebook

Hello I’m 25 years old. I was in a sexual relationship with my ex-boyfriend for 5 years, we had rocky start for good 4 years then our relationship grew stronger and we were so happy and even planned to get married until he & my Mum had a blew, Mum called him awful names because he did not have a well-paying job. I did what any partner would and stood by my ex-boyfriend, then he decides to dump me by text and phone telling me that he was hurt by my Mum's behavior when they had a blew. I was mad when I noticed that he has reconciled with his old time fiance week after the blew with Mum, I don’t want the years that I have spent with him to waste because I knows that he truly love me but my Mum won’t allow us to get married.
I contacted Spiritual Doctor named Dr. Aikhomun from posts I saw on blogs. This powerful Spiritual Doctor helped me to change the mind of my Mum to like him and also broke the relationship he had with his new fiance. Our feelings are stronger now, he loves and appreciates me. We have now got back to where we were happy, affectionate, passionate, romantic and loving. We will soon get married. I am so happy right now to share Doctor Aikhomun email to someone out there that is suffering from heart break, contact him with; Aikhomunspellhome@yahoo.com or Aikhomunspellhome@gmail.com
thank you

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Marian Hawkins@facebook

Hello, i am Marian Hawkins from Uk,
All these post about spell casters are scammers and fake trying to collect money all in the name of HIV cure and when you contact them, they will be asking for your name, pictures, country, phone number and when you have given them all the information, they will be asking for money. I was once diagnosed as an HIV AIDS patience and i spent a lot of money going from one spell caster to another but they all scam and take my money away until i came in contact with this powerful one Dr. Ovia who helped me to cure my HIV AIDS by doing a healing spell and in 24 hours, as he said i went to hospital for test and according to the test done by the Medical doctor Frank it stated that i was cured.
So viewers be wise and beware of fake spell caster, they are all over the internet. I will drop you the email of this powerful spell caster just in case you wish to contact him for help. droviasolutioncenter@gmail.com or droviasolutioncenter@yahoo.com or you can call him through his mobile number +2347067610698

Marian Hawkins@facebook

Hello, i am Marian Hawkins from Uk,
All these post about spell casters are scammers and fake trying to collect money all in the name of HIV cure and when you contact them, they will be asking for your name, pictures, country, phone number and when you have given them all the information, they will be asking for money. I was once diagnosed as an HIV AIDS patience and i spent a lot of money going from one spell caster to another but they all scam and take my money away until i came in contact with this powerful one Dr. Ovia who helped me to cure my HIV AIDS by doing a healing spell and in 24 hours, as he said i went to hospital for test and according to the test done by the Medical doctor Frank it stated that i was cured.
So viewers be wise and beware of fake spell caster, they are all over the internet. I will drop you the email of this powerful spell caster just in case you wish to contact him for help. droviasolutioncenter@gmail.com or droviasolutioncenter@yahoo.com or you can call him through his mobile number +2347067610698

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Ferdinard Lucas@facebook

Hello views i am FERDINARD LUCAS from UK i am here to make a testimony of how DR OBAZE help me cure my hi8v and now i am happy with my family again that i am now count among the healthy people in the society.please if there is any body here that is in need of cure or you want a happy relationship with your partner or you need your ex back kindly contact him on his private
email=obazespiritualspelltemple@hotmail.com
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Sasha Kells@facebook

Dr. Lawrence God will continue to bless you more abundantly, for the good works you are doing in peoples life, I will keep on writing and posting testimonies about you on the Internet, I was a HIV patient, I saw a blog on how Dr. Lawrence cured someone, I contacted him and also got my healing, kindly email him now on drlawrencespelltemple@gmail.com or call him +2348143988536

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Lawis Nelly@facebook

WE HAVE MEANY DESENS IN THE WORD BUT DR OKOJE CAN MAKE YOU HAPPY OKAY
CANCER ,HIV TINNITUS, E.T.C HE CAN CURE YOUR HEAT

I am very happy to till people what harpoon to me and I believe that I will died in two moths later i did not believe I can live again because I was dead allreding,you can believe that I am the one till this story, did you now how I get cure I no that you want to no where i get cure, you most have to till people what harpoon, I meant a guy in Facebook will date for tow months, and him ask me to come for visit, but I did not go because I was HIV positive, but I cud not had it enamor I have to till him my problem and he was very agree wet me, I have to till him how I get infected den him ask me to contact spell caster wish I did, the man ask me to get some items wish i did,the items money cost me 150dolar i ask him, that is a liuture money but can you cure me he said yes but i have to give him 2days wish i did after 2days he ask me to go for a calk up wish i did and i was HIV Negative, i but a big carho den i give him the carho i was very happy now if you have a problem you can contact him now okay Email him wet this DROKOJE@GMAIL.COM or you can met me on facebook joy.nelly@gmail.com

Lisa Nadia@facebook

I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called droboites has just done for me,this man has just brought back my lost Ex husband to me with his great spell,I was married to this man Muller we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to give him a child for 2 years he left me and told me he can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email,then you won't believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast and bring my lost husband back,and after a month I miss my month and go for a test and the result stated am pregnant am happy today am a mother of a baby girl,thank you once again the great Dr oboitespelltemple for what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems contact the great spell cast email: droboitespelltemple@gmail.com

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John Smith@facebook

my name is Melissa i am here to give testimony of how i got back my husband, we got married for more than 8 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster, i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted DR.JATO for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they cast the spell and after 1 week my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still love me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that DR.JATO cast on him that make him come back to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you DR.JATO for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want to use this opportunity to share with people who has been experiencing this and my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend and girlfriend,if you need his help contact him on his email>jatosolution@hotmail.com and check his website to see many thing he does as well and you will see that your problem will be solved without any delay.once again his email>jatosolution@hotmail.com

Richard Taylor@facebook

My name is SHAWN TAYLOR, i leave in the canada, my girlfriend and i have been together
for over 4years now, in the last few month i have been having problems
with her, I do love this woman a lot and do want to get married to her but
at times i did feel a little confused about this and has wondered if she
has been true to the relationship...until i found king son, who told me
that she was not being true with me..I did later find out that she has been
seeing her ex boyfriend I was devastated and did not know what to do,
although I still loved her and could not see myself with anyone else, I did
not want to lose her and king son assured me that they could help me with
this problem, he told me about a spell caster dr ekpen i decided to give
it a trier so I contacted ekpenlovetemple@gmail.com once again to let
him know that I did want to get help with this. With the powers that they
do have my girlfriend and I did work a lot of things out and she has came
back to me and we are now back together and engaged I did get over the fact
that she has cheated on me but sometimes we do need to forget the past and
move on to a better future and without king son' help I don't think it
would have ever worked out.he is truly an Angel sent from up above!

Richard Taylor@facebook

My name is SHAWN TAYLOR, i leave in the canada, my girlfriend and i have been together
for over 4years now, in the last few month i have been having problems
with her, I do love this woman a lot and do want to get married to her but
at times i did feel a little confused about this and has wondered if she
has been true to the relationship...until i found king son, who told me
that she was not being true with me..I did later find out that she has been
seeing her ex boyfriend I was devastated and did not know what to do,
although I still loved her and could not see myself with anyone else, I did
not want to lose her and king son assured me that they could help me with
this problem, he told me about a spell caster dr ekpen i decided to give
it a trier so I contacted ekpenlovetemple@gmail.com once again to let
him know that I did want to get help with this. With the powers that they
do have my girlfriend and I did work a lot of things out and she has came
back to me and we are now back together and engaged I did get over the fact
that she has cheated on me but sometimes we do need to forget the past and
move on to a better future and without king son' help I don't think it
would have ever worked out.he is truly an Angel sent from up above!

Richard Taylor@facebook

My name is william mark, i leave in the canada, my girlfriend and i have been together
for over 4years now, in the last few month i have been having problems
with her, I do love this woman a lot and do want to get married to her but
at times i did feel a little confused about this and has wondered if she
has been true to the relationship...until i found king son, who told me
that she was not being true with me..I did later find out that she has been
seeing her ex boyfriend I was devastated and did not know what to do,
although I still loved her and could not see myself with anyone else, I did
not want to lose her and king son assured me that they could help me with
this problem, he told me about a spell caster dr ekpen i decided to give
it a trier so I contacted ekpenlovetemple@gmail.com once again to let
him know that I did want to get help with this. With the powers that they
do have my girlfriend and I did work a lot of things out and she has came
back to me and we are now back together and engaged I did get over the fact
that she has cheated on me but sometimes we do need to forget the past and
move on to a better future and without king son' help I don't think it
would have ever worked out.he is truly an Angel sent from up above!

Joan Nie@facebook

I want to use this medium to tell the world about Doctor Jatto who helped me in getting my lover back with his powerful spell, my ex and i where having misunderstanding which led to our breakup though i went to beg her several times to please forgive and accept me back because i know i offended her but each time i went i always feel more deeply in pain and agony because she always walk out on me and would not want to listen to what i have to tell but on i faithful day as i was browsing i came arose a testimony of a woman whose problem was more than mine and yet Doctor Jatto helped her with his spell so i was happy and also contacted Doctor Jatto for help via email and then told him my story but the only thing he said was that i will wipe you tear with my spell so lucky for me everything want well just as he promised and right now i have got my fiance back and we are both living happily. there is nothing Doctor Jatto can not do with is spell and just as promise my self i will keep testifying on the internet of how Doctor Jatto helped me.Are your problem greater that mine or less i give you 100% guarantee that Doctor Jatto will put an end to it with his powerful spell, contact Doctor Jatto for help Via email
drjattosplltemple@gmail.com

Joan Nie@facebook

I want to use this medium to tell the world about Doctor Jatto who helped me in getting my lover back with his powerful spell, my ex and i where having misunderstanding which led to our breakup though i went to beg her several times to please forgive and accept me back because i know i offended her but each time i went i always feel more deeply in pain and agony because she always walk out on me and would not want to listen to what i have to tell but on i faithful day as i was browsing i came arose a testimony of a woman whose problem was more than mine and yet Doctor Jatto helped her with his spell so i was happy and also contacted Doctor Jatto for help via email and then told him my story but the only thing he said was that i will wipe you tear with my spell so lucky for me everything want well just as he promised and right now i have got my fiance back and we are both living happily. there is nothing Doctor Jatto can not do with is spell and just as promise my self i will keep testifying on the internet of how Doctor Jatto helped me.Are your problem greater that mine or less i give you 100% guarantee that Doctor Jatto will put an end to it with his powerful spell, contact Doctor Jatto for help Via email
drjattosplltemple@gmail.com

Victor Brown@facebook

Please help me thank dr.obudo for his good work I really believe HIV
have cure I was HIV positive over since 1year plus before I come
across a comment dr.obudo that he have cure to any disease and virus
but when I saw it i have it in mind that he can't cure HIV I just
decided to give a try I contact him that night lucky to me he said yes
but I don't believe him I think it was a scam or some thing like that
but I still hold on to see the work of dr.obudo if he is saying the
true he ask for different thing and some question about me I give him
all the detail he needed and I wait to see his reply to my problem
after all the thing is done he ask me to go for check up I went for
hiv test I cant believe I was negative thanks dr.obudo for help me
for not dying at this young age if you need help contact him now
dr.obudospellhome@gmail.com call +2348109792351

Victor Brown@facebook

Please help me thank dr.obudo for his good work I really believe HIV
have cure I was HIV positive over since 1year plus before I come
across a comment dr.obudo that he have cure to any disease and virus
but when I saw it i have it in mind that he can't cure HIV I just
decided to give a try I contact him that night lucky to me he said yes
but I don't believe him I think it was a scam or some thing like that
but I still hold on to see the work of dr.obudo if he is saying the
true he ask for different thing and some question about me I give him
all the detail he needed and I wait to see his reply to my problem
after all the thing is done he ask me to go for check up I went for
hiv test I cant believe I was negative thanks dr.obudo for help me
for not dying at this young age if you need help contact him now
dr.obudospellhome@gmail.com call +2348109792351

Victor Brown@facebook

Hello my name is Ben from USA I’m writing this testimony in regards of Dr.obudo he is a great man who help me from my illness I was very sick in 4year but I know the doctor try to cure the sick but it still come back every 2month and I always spend a lot of money in drug and treatment thanks to my doctor who help me out am sound and okay for good 2year, known sense of the sickness again…… am very happy doctor………………….well if you have any sickness like HIV/AID, Ebola, Rotavirus, Smallpox ,Hepatitis B contact him now dr.obudospellhome@gmail.com call +2348109792351

Victor Brown@facebook

I USED TO HAVE HIV,,,AND I WORK WITH THE U.S ARMY......I LOOKED FOR CURE ALMOST ROUND THE WORLD,NOT UNTIL I CONTACTED A GREAT SPIRITUALIST,I NARRATED MY PREDICAMENT TO HIM,I WAS SHOCKED HE SAID''NO CAUSE FOR ALARM'''I SEND HIM MY PHOTO,,,,HE SAID HE WILL NEED TO BUY SOME ITEMS,AND I PAID FOR IT...AFTER THREE DAYS HE TOLD ME TO GO FOR TEST AGAIN,...... MY FRIENDS YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT WAS NEGATIVE....NOW I'M SOUND AND HEALTHY STILL WORKING WITH THE U.S ARMY . I BELIEVE HE CAN CURE ANY TYPE OF SICKNESS HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS: dr.obudospellhome@gmail.com and dr.obudospellhome@gmail.com or call +2348109792351

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