Wednesday, February 6, 2013


We're in an Awful Mess, and I Don't Mean Maybe

"He was one of the most notorious criminals in New York’s recent history, whose execution-style murder of two undercover police officers led a jury to issue the first federal death sentence in the city in more than a half century. She was a lonely correction officer, assigned to guard the cell block at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, where he was being held."
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ha ha ha ha brilliant!@n




Sorry, sorry, this is a weird and sad story, but I couldn't resist the chance to Sister Jude it up.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

"She was speaking to another inmate she had met inside the jail, and with whom she had continued a romantic relationship after he was transferred to another prison. (The second inmate, who was not identified, offered to raise the baby as his own when he was released.)"


@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose That is taking me about 20 minutes to parse.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@Aeroplane Pretty sure I had full-on pug head tilt while reading that.

fondue with cheddar

"After the death sentence was read, Mr. Wilson, who had seemed mentally disturbed at times, stuck out his tongue at the families of the victims."



@fondue with cheddar with FIRE.

fondue with cheddar

There sure are a lot of Mother, May I Sleep with Danger stories this week.


The NYMag post on this had a comment thread that just devolved into prison movie puns...


whoa whoa whoa.. she was TRYING to get pregnant? and his IQ is so low he couldnt face the death penalty? ALSO is it really killing a cop if they were undercover and you didnt know they were cops?

Theda Baranowski

@cd ...Well, is it still killing a cop if they're off-duty and you didn't know they were cops? I'd say yes. They're still cops.


@Theda Baranowski also why does it matter if they're cops as opposed to, you know, non-cop people?


@Theda Baranowski if they're leading you to believe they're gun runners and you believe them, its not exactly the same as shooting a uniformed, on-duty officer. obv not advocating killing cops, just an interesting part of the story, I think.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@renegadeoboe Often times, assaulting or killing a police officer can carry extra penalties, depending on where you live.

H.E. Ladypants

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose I think she was questioning the ethics of that, though. I mean, murder = murder.


Oooh, we covered this in Crim Pro! But I got my worst grade in that class, so I don't really remember the details.

Probably doesn't come up that much because if all you can say is "I didn't know he was a cop when I shot him," you're definitely going to jail anyway, so you may as well just plead out.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@H.E. Ladypants Yeah, I figured that, but I don't have an answer for ethics. I only know that assaulting cops carries more weight in the legal system, thus the distinction. But yes, murder is murder.


@cd Yeah, I think she opposed the death penalty, so she got pregnant on purpose so the State might consider letting him stay alive for the sake of the baby? Pretty sure they came up with that together?

One of the weirder aspects of the story, though, is that now he's mounting an appeal on the basis that he's mentally retarded... so, not to be SUPER-duper judgey, but hey lady, now all your friends know that you're having a baby with either (1)a cop-killer, or (2)a handicapped person.




...and now I'm mentally disturbed.

A. Louise

Somebody REALLY likes bad boys.

So, when does this come out on LMN?


"Ms. Gonzalez ... was arraigned in federal court on charges of sexual abuse of a person in custody, because an inmate cannot legally consent to sex." A lot of things about our prison system in the USA are seriously messed up, but this is definitely one of those "Wait, what?" parts.


@Aeroplane I don't know, for me that was the only part that actually made sense?

dj pomegranate

@iseeshiny @Aeroplane, Strangely, I agree with both of you...


@iseeshiny Yeah, although I am sure they were not thinking of female guards/male inamtes when they wrote it, it does seem a bit weird now that I think about it because it seems prottection-y at first but then like consensual sex can be treated like statutory rape in a way?


@Aeroplane Yes it's a statutory rape law. It's because of the inherent power differences between an inmate and a guard. In most states there are also laws forbidding teacher-student relationships for the same reason, even if the student is above the age of consent. (I.e. a high school junior who is 17 and his English teacher).


"An inmate cannot legally consent to sex."

What? But what about conjugal visits??

(I dunno guys, he's not ugly. Maybe the real issue is a) firing this woman for being inappropriate with the prisoners, and b) maybe only having female guards for female prisoners and vice versa?)


@Megano! Conjugal visits are only for spouses and only exist in some states. It's kind of like how minors can't consent to sex - the power dynamic is so skewed. I don't know that same sex guards would really solve that problem.


@iseeshiny Right. If the genders of this were swapped, the grossness of this woman's behavior would be immediately apparent. This guy was a prisoner, had a very low IQ and may have been mentally disturbed. This is unacceptable behavior, and both her 'loneliness" and his looks are irrelevant.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@Kristen Yes. It's a power thing. Like even if a high school student is old enough to legally consent to a have sex with a teacher, it's still a crime on the teacher's part.

Ten Thousand Buckets

@Megano! I think it's probably just referring to when the sex is between an inmate and a person of authority. Inmates can probably consent to sex with each other. (Unless that's an issue where, like playing D&D, one inmate can then assume authority over the other, which is apparently a major problem in prisons.)


@Kristen (I was joking about the looks part, obviously) (and I guess same sex guards wouldn't really help anything. I guess guard robots are probably the best solution)


@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose ha! i just posted pretty much the exact same thing.


@Ten Thousand Buckets Actually, in a lot of states, sex between prisoners is also illegal (though very rarely prosecuted), even consensual sex. For that reason, condoms are considered contraband ("they aren't having sex because we outlawed it; they don't need condoms!") which leads to the transmission of STDs.

Pound of Salt

@Megano! Not looking forward to robots evolving into sexual predators.


Sounds like the basis for either a very sad Bruce Springsteen song, or a very danceable Barry Manilow one.


"minutes at a time"

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