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Monday, February 25, 2013

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The Oscars

Did you watch last night? The New York Times and the LA Times both have red-carpet roundups, The Cut has a list of general hits and misses, and HuffPo and MTV have summaries of the evening. There was apparently a toilet problem, and an accompanying odd quote about it.



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LordHennyson

Managed an hour, then had to turn it off because Seth MacFarlane's jokes made me want to slough off my skin and fly into space and never come back. Everybody who defends "un-PC" humor claims they would abandon it if it stopped being funny, so what's this white dude's excuse?

OhMarie

@LordHennyson Just hire Tina Fey and Amy Poehler for the next 20 years, please.

Scandyhoovian

@OhMarie I want Tina Fey and Amy Poehler to host everything ever.

If not them, Samuel L. Jackson.

area@twitter

@Scandyhoovian "Look at all you fancy muthafuckas!"

par_parenthese

@LordHennyson From my Twitter last night, "I bet you motherfuckers never make fun of Billy Crystal again."

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@LordHennyson His jokes depend on the shock value because they aren't funny. He knows this. The thing is, they aren't shocking anymore because they're expected. He's boring and lazy, and that adds to the offensive factor.

purefog

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose
I sat in front of the "I Saw Your Boobs!" number with the same expression with which I would have watched "Springtime for Hitler."

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@purefog Right? "Haha, look at these boobs that are part of cinematic rape scenes! So hot, right bro?"

Chiara Atik@twitter

"The pipe exploded when the mother of Kief Davidson, director of the Oscar-nominated documentary short "Open Heart," flushed a toilet, sending water into the lobby where nearly every nominee and studio head was walking in."

Was that a necessary detail?? Ugh I feel acute second hand embarrassment for them. This is probably NOT what they had hoped would be their legacy at The Oscars.

hands_down

@Chiara Atik@twitter And apparently the poor woman was drenched. Awful. "Well, this is great. I'm at the Oscars, a once-in-a-lifetime experience! What a special night...and a toilet just exploded on me." She should get a do-over invite next year.

milenakent

I want Leonardo DiCaprio and Will Smith to get an Oscar one day@n

olivebee

There was waaaaaay too much singing/music. They wouldn't have to cut off everyone's speeches so quickly if they cut all the excess junk out of the show. Also, I watch movie awards shows for the movies.

I was disappointed that Beasts of the Southern Wild didn't win anything, since it was so beautiful. It didn't even get nominated for score, and it has one of the best scores I have ever heard.

There really weren't any dresses that wowed me or that I would even wear (if I, you know, had fancy awards shows to attend...). Naomi Watts' dress came close. The neckline was so unusual, and looked killer on her, but I don't love that much sparkle.

anachronistique

@olivebee I was SO MAD that it didn't get nominated for score!

olivebee

@olivebee I guess I should clarify that I thought a lot of women looked gorgeous and were styled flawlessly (Jessica Chastain, especially), but none of the dresses except Naomi Watts' were new and exciting, in my opinion.

olivebee

@anachronistique Yeah, I was quite miffed. During the commercial breaks, I would mute the TV and play the BOTSW soundtrack.

Judith Slutler

I am so glad I didn't stay up for this. Seth MacFarlane is one of my least favorite media people, and judging by a glance at my FB feed this morning he really must have been awful.

e: holy hell, Robin Roberts is too gorgeous in that pic on The Cut. Amazing.

Ophelia

@Emmanuelle Cunt Yeah - I find him far more tolerable (and often funny, TBH) through the filter/satire of, say, Peter on Family Guy. Without that filter? Gah.

MaxBraverman

There's controversy over whether JLaw faked her trip in an attempt to be "awkward." I refuse to believe this.

Lisa Frank

@MaxBraverman The cynic in me thought that too. She's becoming a real-life Manic Pixie Dream Girl, and it's getting kind of annoying.

MaxBraverman

@Lisa Frank I think she just needs to practice walking in her clothes before awards shows.

Scandyhoovian

@MaxBraverman Bah, she seems like one of the most relatable young people in Hollywood right now, based on interviews and stuff. It's probably that she just stepped on her hem. It could have happened to anyone.

Beatrix Kiddo

@MaxBraverman There's no way anyone would do that on purpose.

anachronistique

@Scandyhoovian Seriously, have any of those people ever worn a giant ballgown and heels? It's like being inside a parade float.

MaxBraverman

@Beatrix Kiddo Oh, I totally agree. I don't know why people would even make a "controversy" out of something like that.

EngNaturalBeauty@twitter

@MaxBraverman It's just haters. Anyone who has ever worn a dress like that know it does not take much to fall in a dress like that on a horizontal surface. Much less trying to walk up some damn stairs. (yes I Stan for Jennifer Lawrence cause she is the best)

Judith Slutler

@anachronistique Ummm, yeah, that dress looked heavy and stiff enough to trip up anyone.

Scandyhoovian

@all Also just another point, in a strapless dress like that one, you run the risk of pulling your dress down when you step on the hem like that, and suddenly flashing. No one would ever do that on purpose.

purefog

@Scandyhoovian
Those with long memories will recall that Lena Dunham similarly tripped on her dress at the Globes. It would not shock me if JLaw did it on purpose, but I still get all "awwww" about her.

raised amongst catalogs

Mark Ruffalo's wife is named Sunrise?

Megan@twitter

@raised amongst catalogs And Tarantino's date's last name is Spiderbaby. What a world.

raised amongst catalogs

@Megan@twitter It's all too much for me. I'm one more crazy name away from becoming one of those old curmudgeons, Statler & Waldorf, up in the balcony on The Muppet Show.

[sic]

@Megan@twitter If she took her name from Father Ted, she's going to be my favorite person in the whole world.

Lu2
Lu2

@[sic] "Spiderbaby" is the name of one of the best movies of all time. Its subtitle is "The Maddest Story Ever Told." --Well, OK, I lied, it's not one of the best, but it's certainly not the worst! #ringingendorsement

cuminafterall

I didn't watch this year! I avoid all things MacFarlane. However, I'm immensely enjoying the GIFsets, red carpet roundups, etc. Naomi Watts's dress! Quvenzhane Wallis flexing! The fact that Jane Fonda was at the Oscars, period! I love it all.

raised amongst catalogs

@cuminafterall I loved Jane Fonda's dress; it was like something Bette Davis would get to wear on the cruise ship in Now, Voyager.

ms. alex

@cuminafterall I didn't know who MacFarlane was before googling him shortly before the show last night (yes really), and it turns out I was one of the lucky ones, since I watched it on mute at a bar, so I got to see the good things (dresses, beards) and didn't hear the bad.

Scandyhoovian

I was not as offended/upset by McFarlane's apparent badness as Twitter/Tumblr made me think I should be afterward -- I just thought he was making a really weirdly strong effort to be as unfunny as possible. But after having seen the shows/movies he's created, I was expecting a much larger trainwreck or something, because I was just like "eh, he's boring me."

I was a huge fan of the musical numbers and performances, but I guess if you're not into those then this show probably seemed hugely bloated by them.

I was really, really stunned by my facebook feed's reaction to Anne Hathaway's win and to Michelle Obama's appearance. Apparently the people I've got added on Facebook all HATE ANNE HATHAWAY with the fire of thousands of suns and stars (wtf?!) and apparently the first lady appearing on the oscars to speak for a second on children and the arts is 'politicizing the show' (how is 'children in the arts' not a bipartisan thing? and it's hardly politicizing the show as much as a winner going up there to rail against a war or something would have been, which has happened before, so...).

Of course the fashion was fun to see, but I was not a huge fan of all the "wow Adele is huge" and "ugh she looks like a horse" and "omg Renee Zellweger's eyes" and the constant barrage of "let's pick on these hugely talented people for physical features rather than discussing their immense talent" that I saw all night on Twitter. Jaysus. It was enough to set my hair on fire.

Also DUDE LEAVE KSTEW ALONE SHE WAS INJURED

(Also, it was crazy hard to ignore Russell Crowe bleating like a goat in labor during the 'One Day More' performance that was otherwise outstanding -- Samantha Barks, why didn't you sing like that in the movie!? UGH)

...tl;dr I have a lot of thoughts, apparently.

MaxBraverman

@Scandyhoovian We must have the same FB friends. My feed was full of Jennifer Aniston hate for some reason. And I was just like, "meh...she looks like she always does." I think there are people on Twitter and Facebook for the sole purpose of being mean and making fun of people. It's stupid.

Judith Slutler

@Scandyhoovian Seriously when I broke my foot I am pretty sure I had the exact same expression on my face as KStew... for 3 months straight. Using crutches is tiring and annoying y'all.

olivebee

@Scandyhoovian Luckily (or not, depending on how you look at it), my facebook feed is filled with film majors (since I was one, too), and instead of mean-spirited red carpet comments, my whole feed was filmed with people bitching about how the most deserving nominees never win (and sometimes don't even get nominated!). It's film snobbery at its finest, but it's not wrong.

annejumps@twitter

@Scandyhoovian I get bugged by Anne Hathaway sometimes, but the actual hatred is kind of scary. Also, yeah, KStew actually doesn't have to constantly grin, people.

leonstj

@Scandyhoovian I was a huge fan of the non Seth song and dance. Especially The Way You Look Tonight, aka best song ever. But it was a bummer they had to couch it ironic distance and a stupid frame joke. Like, we get it Hollywood. You are classier and sexier and smoother on a Sunday afternoon than we are anytime. Don't feel bad and apologize, it's why we're watching?

Also why DOES everyone hate Anne Hathaway so much? I don't get it.

Scandyhoovian

@leon s I have no idea! I've seen "she's a terrible singer and didn't deserve it," which I think is factually inaccurate (were they listening? I mean, overacting or not, she was singing that shit right out of the park), and then they're saying "she wanted it too much," which I think is ludicrous, because uh, what actor doesn't want recognition for their acting? If you were nominated for an Oscar, wouldn't you hope you'd get it? I think it's crazy. And of course there's always the "everyone feels like they need to chime in on her appearance" crap that everyone always gets.

Nicole Cliffe

I am a one-woman "LEAVE KSTEW ALONE" chorus forever.

Beatrix Kiddo

@Scandyhoovian I'm so glad I don't have the same FB friends you do-- if I did, I'm sure I'd have the same reaction. How do people feel such hatred for someone they don't even know?

damselfish

@Scandyhoovian Ugh my tumblr dash was full of that crap - but from single topic blogs. Srsly, theballetblog? You're going to leap to the defense of some creepers? I didn't need to know the person behind the ballet pics sucked so much.

coolallison

@MaxBraverman I have always been mildly in love with Jennifer Aniston and I thought she looked beautiful. But I think she'd look beautiful in overalls and a t-shirt covered in hair dye.

P.J. Morse@twitter

@Scandyhoovian I love KStew and her don't-give-a-fuck attitude forever. Maybe all the hate toward the Hathaways of the world come from the fact that she tries so, so hard. As an actress, she's great, no complaints, but most people get real agitated around the try-hards.

stuffisthings

@Scandyhoovian Who were those people behind Michelle? I was pretty sure they were Marines or cadets or something, but my wife insisted they were waiters.

The best part for me was reading the Le Monde film guy's coverage on Twitter. He was REALLY PISSED OFF about everything to with Le Mis, including the fact that they thanked "everyone on earth except Victor Hugo."

hands_down

@P.J. Morse@twitter As a Hathaway non-fan, I agree about the trying too hard. Getting up there and saying "It came true" was just so damn precious and twee. It also comes off as completely fake. Compare her speech to the Daniel Day-Lewis. He had swept every other award for "Lincoln" so he had to know he was going to win, but his tears and his speech seemed so genuine.

Blushingflwr

@stuffisthings I think you could make an argument that Victor Hugo is the source of many of the things about Les Mis that are not good.

maevemealone

@stuffisthings She was at the Marine Corps Ball at the White House. Those were actual Marines she was surrounded by, not waiters.

stuffisthings

@maevemealone THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

Also: Hugo's Le Mis may be turgid, but at least it doesn't contain sung dialogue.

Hot Doom

@hands_down Yes. Yessss. We all knew she was going to win (Hathaway included) but that 'it came true' and, really, the whole speech elicited from me a mega Liz Lemon eyeroll to end all eyerolls.

Alli525

@Scandyhoovian Yeah my thoughts on the Les Miz performance were as follows: "That was way better than in the movie, but of course it was, because they performed it on-stage as it was meant to be performed on-stage, which is to say stage-ily, instead of all dramatic-movie 'artistic' blah blah. Also, if I cannot obtain tickets to the new revival, I will jump off something very tall, because I love this music so much."

Hellcat

@Scandyhoovian It seems that the "she wanted it too much" is a big bone of contention over on Television Without Pity. I really don't get why that's even a thing.

C_Webb

@Hellcat I didn't like the "save the Fantines" shout-out. Can she just say "economically and sexually exploited women?" Because if not, who are we talking about? Ladies who sold their teeth? Ladies who gave their babies to Sascha Baron Cohen? Ladies who come back from the dead for the finale?

MaxBraverman

@C_Webb Meh. I get what she was saying and at least she tried? I don't know. I feel like that's just picking apart her speech and looking for something wrong. She's Anne Hathaway, not Angelina Jolie as far as political celebrities go.

C_Webb

@MaxBraverman I loved her until this award season; "Ella Enchanted" is my daughters' favorite movie and we must have watched it a million times, so she had a lot of goodwill in my book and it's not like I was looking to poke her apart, by any stretch. But to me, the Fantine thing felt like just what you said -- a try for the wrong reasons, because she felt like she should say something about the rest of the world to impress people, and it fell flat for me. (If I find out she's actually involved with any organizations that work with exploited women I will happily eat my words.)

purefog

@Nicole Cliffe
I thought you and Melis were a duet.

TARDIStime

@purefog I would watch the hell out of that Oscars

iceberg

OK well I guess I need to see Silver Linings Playbook because I was like, "Why on EARTH is Jacki Weaver at the Oscars?" (best known for having been married to a terrible current affairs show host in Australia)

TheLetterL

@iceberg You should! It was good. I'm...not exactly sure it deserves all the hype, but it is good.

hands_down

@iceberg Well, she was also nominated for an Oscar just two or three years ago, too.

coolallison

@iceberg I thought Silver Linings Playbook was sooo gooood.

pajamaralls

@hands_down She was nominated for Animal Kingdom, which is a really good movie.

hands_down

@pajamaralls Agreed! I highly recommend that movie to anyone. Her supermarket showdown with Guy Pearce at the end is brutal.

TARDIStime

@iceberg She's not married to (or at least is not "with") Daryn Hinch anymore, thank God.
She deserves to be hangin' at the Oscars, though - she's filled with awesome, IMO.

annejumps@twitter

Man, some bits of that broadcast were just hideous and I was cringing.

On the other hand, JGL and DanRad were lovely. Full disclosure, JGL was basically the only reason I watched.

Scandyhoovian

@annejumps@twitter I thought of you when they came onstage the first time! That was quite lovely.

anachronistique

@annejumps@twitter I saw a clip of that! And now I want them to do a musical together. (Also how cute was Joe on the red carpet talking about how Sally Field had to tie his bow tie for him? I DIE.)

annejumps@twitter

@anachronistique That was great. JGL has been hinting for a while that he'd like to do a musical but last night he had an interview which made it sound like something he may actively pursue.

Dan and he seemed like they'd get along very well, and apparently they did, if this photo is any indication. http://hitrecordjoe.tumblr.com/post/43947526489/me-mr-radcliffe-gangster-oscars

purefog

"I think there are people on Twitter and Facebook for the sole purpose of being mean and making fun of people."

Ya think?

chnellociraptor

I am, generally, in favour of musical numbers, but everything from last night came off as the most egregious examples of pandering I've ever seen.

I say this having watched the Tony Awards for the last seven years, so I know from pandering.

At the very least, if they were going to do a twenty-minute "tribute to movie musicals" they couldn't have done something similar to the Bond tribute and thrown in, I don't know, something from before 2002?

Scandyhoovian

Oh, also: that Sound of Music "they're not here" joke was the greatest laugh I had all night.

chnellociraptor

@Scandyhoovian Word. Best hosting moment by far.

C_Webb

@Scandyhoovian Yep.

Ragged But Right

@Scandyhoovian Yeah, that was the moment I was like, 'Ok, point McFarlane.'

Lyssachelle

@Ragged But Right I like to pretend that Tina Fey called McFarlane and was like, "Okay, cupcake. Your schtick is wearing thin, here's one to get them back on your side for a bit, but you gotta get a Nazi uniform and QUICK..."

And knowing Christopher Plummer's poopy attitude regarding Sound of Music, betcha he was THRILLED to have that as his lead-in...

C_Webb

I think we have to talk about "The Boob Song," but lemme grab some popcorn and a bottle of Bushmills.

coolallison

@C_Webb I loved it. Should I be ashamed to admit that?

hallelujah

@C_Webb I was "meh" until he mentioned Scarlett Johansson. NOT COOL, DUDE, SHE DID NOT SHOW THEM BY CHOICE.

MaxBraverman

@C_Webb Were the reaction shots pretaped?

Scandyhoovian

@MaxBraverman I think the reaction shots were pretaped -- I noticed Jennifer Lawrence had straps on in that reaction shot, and her dress was strapless.

I wasn't too put out by the boob song partly because I think of the way it was set up--as an example of something Shatner was coming back in time to KEEP from happening. It was way less awful to me than the closing number (really, we're going to imply we were about to call Quevenzhane Wallis the c-word for a laugh? SHE IS A NINE YEAR OLD GIRL. WHAT THE HELL.)

Lyssachelle

@C_Webb I think the entire bit could have been vastly improved by a mention of him following up later in the show with "We Peeped Your Dong" song.

area@twitter

@C_Webb That was where he lost me, personally. "Oh great! Let's reduce talented women to their body parts! Because, you know, that doesn't happen enough these days. And will there be a complementary song, talking about male actors who have shown their butts on camera? Will there fuck?!"
Anyhow. I'm not sure why I reacted so strongly to it, but I did.

laurel

@Lyssachelle Save it for a year when Fassbinder is nominated.

area@twitter

@Lyssachelle YES THIS.

C_Webb

@Scandyhoovian If someone doesn't explain this c-word thing to me, my head is going to explode. I thought that was The Onion?

@Scandyhoovian: Wasn't that trying to have his boob and eat it too? Especially bringing in the GMC for PC fred? Granted, the GMC chose to do it, but I thought that was sadly calculating. I'm not enraged by it, but I'm not proud to live in the world that created/enabled it, either.

Judith Slutler

@Scandyhoovian I am seriously disturbed by the grown adults going after Quevanzhané Wallis. Proof that people just don't even know how to deal with the fact of a nine-year-old child in the public eye. And so much of it is just so racist. If I hear one more person making snide remarks about her name, etc... Ugh.

EngNaturalBeauty@twitter

@Lyssachelle I was hoping for a male nudity song as well. that would have saved it for me

annejumps@twitter

@Scandyhoovian Well see, it felt cheap to me to be like "This is going to be offensive, here we are being offensive, but we acknowledged it so it's fine!"

MaxBraverman

@annejumps@twitter I think they saved it and actually made it funny if they did something like, "Yeah we've seen your boobs, but this year we saw Magic Mike" and then just flashed a bunch of clips from the movie on a big screen.

annejumps@twitter

@MaxBraverman That would have been refreshing, but unfortunately they were far too tangled up in the self-referential vortex of "Seth's going to offend people, tee hee!"

maevemealone

@C_Webb http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2013/02/onion-quevenzhane-wallis-joke/62476/ they get to the real point toward the bottom.

Scandyhoovian

@C_Webb Oh, it was the Onion (and they just apologized... on FACEBOOK, where the comments are horrendous), but the closing number with Kristin Chenoweth and Seth McFarlane made a cheap fakeout rhyme in which they ended one line with "Helen Hunt" and the next line, referencing Quevenzhane Wallis, ended with "we'll agree she's a.........dorable."

Ridiculous.

Lily Rowan

@Scandyhoovian Jesus, seriously?

And not to be pedantic, but the "too old for Clooney" line was especially stupid since Stacy Keibler is 33.

TheLetterL

Did anyone else tilt their head when they trotted out the cast of "Chicago" multiple times? It was nice, I guess, but felt unnecessary.

Scandyhoovian

@TheLetterL I kind of did! I guess since it's the only musical to have won an Oscar in recent memory. I'm a little sad they didn't go back into the classics -- West Side Story, South Pacific, Oklahoma -- what is the point of having a 'tribute to movie musicals' without touching on a whole entire segment of the genre?

EngNaturalBeauty@twitter

@Scandyhoovian I thought the same thing too. But the directors of the show also made Chicago. So there was definitely some bias. I'm pretty sure if someone else directed the show, there would have been no acknowledgement of the 10 year anniversary of Chicago.

skyslang

@TheLetterL I think it's all about Catherine Zeeta Jones. I don't know what strings she had to pull, or who she had to pay off, but I am convinced that whole Chicago debacle was orchestrated by her as part of her big comeback.
When she jumped up in the bob wig and looked at the camera, she was all: I'm back, Hollywood! And better the ever!
But also: she's always scared me.

skyslang

@TheLetterL But also: Renee Zewleger. Do you think CJZ dosed her so she wouldn't steal the spotlight?

TheLetterL

@skyslang Ooh, that's a good theory. Renee Zellweger certainly looked...underwhelmed at moments.Hmmmm.

tawdryelephant

@Scandyhoovian Russell Crowe sings to his own drummer

C_Webb

@tawdryelephant I literally ran and hid when he came out to sing. I couldn't watch.

TheLetterL

@tawdryelephant That is both apt and very kind.

Ophelia

@C_Webb I just sang really loudly over him.

v=ir

@C_Webb Ha! I felt that way with Christoph Waltz's acceptance speech. My eyes rolled out of my face during the "Quentin Tarantino IS the dragon slayer because of BRAVERY" bit. Last time I checked, Quentin Tarantino made a movie, he didn't build a children's hospital in Sudan.

EngNaturalBeauty@twitter

I'm pretty sure Kristen Stewart was on painkillers during the Oscars cause she cut her foot badly the other day. So I'm gonna give her indifference a pass.

Seth McFarlane was mediocre at best. You could see him visibly shrink as the night went on, once he realized his act wasn't working. The "We Saw Your Boobs" song was definitely in poor taste. Also that opening monologue was way too long and and a closing song was unnecessary.

Honestly I feel like the Oscars just needs to cater to the people who just want to see films celebrated. Don't pander to the frat boys or teenagers. Stop trying to make it relevant to people who don't care in the first place. I will always watch the Oscars and there are many people like me. Just make a show that we would enjoy that's classy and somewhat funny. So yeah just let Tina and Amy host everything and we'll be fine.

annejumps@twitter

@EngNaturalBeauty@twitter Agreed with all this. I'd also like to see JGL hosting because he legit enjoys movies. Sure, he'd probably go off on a pretentious thing about Truffaut. But hey, what can you do.

stuffisthings

@EngNaturalBeauty@twitter The problem is, the only people who REALLY CARE ABOUT FILMS but also only want to see the most predictable, shallow, boring pap awarded in the most self-congratulatory way possible are already in the hall, so what's the point of a telecast at all?

Kira-Lynn@twitter

@EngNaturalBeauty@twitter oh this is so true.

Rookie (not the magazine) (not that there's anything wrong with that)

@EngNaturalBeauty@twitter Yup, it was classic Seth MacFarlane in that it was maybe sorta funny at times, but ran way too long. The entire show, I mean.

iceberg

Is that Bradley Cooper's wife? she's so tiny! #neckache

MaxBraverman

@iceberg That's his mom.

Nicole Cliffe

@iceberg "Marry me!" - Bradley's gf who is pretending to be his mom

Nicole Cliffe

(whispers)

I only saw "Argo" and "Skyfall."

Ragged But Right

@Nicole Cliffe Django's kind of worth it, if you're willing to leave the cinema for the 3 really awful moments. Also I didn't see Amour because I was pretty sure I couldn't bear it, which was proved by the clips they showed, all of which made me burst into immediate ugly, desperate sobs and clutch my loved ones to my breast.

Nicole Cliffe

NO AMOUR. I don't watch anything made-up that might make me sad. IDGAF. Like, if it's a documentary, that's different, because, you know, I should be sad about terrible shit happening to real people. But there is no reason I should pay money to get super-upset about two fake old people.

(This is not a sentiment which is good for the industry, this is just my personal line in the sand.)

Ragged But Right

@Nicole Cliffe YES. My other line in the sand is straight up horror when not made my Sam Raimi because I am grownup and I don't have to do things I don't want to do. Most of the time.

iceberg

@Nicole Cliffe THANK YOU real life is shithouse enough, why add fake misery to i? this is why i haaaaaated that Bjork movie Dancer in the Dark.

area@twitter

@Ragged But Right I want to see "Beasts of the Southern Wild" and "Amour", but I teared up at the trailers alone. I'd never make it. (Or I would, but I'd be a sobbing, ragged mess by the end.)

Nicole Cliffe

Yep, I'm absolutely sure that "Beasts" is an emotionally transformative and brilliant film and I hope it makes a lot of money from not me, because I'm watching "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" while eating Phish Food.

Ragged But Right

@area@twitter I cried so much during Les Mis that the tears ran into my own cleavage, and NOT JUST at Russel Crowe's singing. It wasn't even a good movie. Know your limits, that's what I say.

olivebee

@area@twitter I thought Beasts was incredible. But I did cry quite a bit, so there's that. But it's worth it because it is a remarkably beautiful film.

fabel

@Nicole Cliffe Omg. ME TOO. Literally. Just those two movies. I was pretty lost.

cupcakecore@twitter

@Nicole Cliffe I only saw Skyfall. I am terrible at movies. Also I am with you on not being into movies that are essentially misery porn, the plot exists to create sadness because some people like that? IDEK, I just cry at lots of things (mostly cartoons?) and I don't need to go into something knowing that the whole point is to be sad.

itiresias

@Ragged But Right Django was awesome. Then again, I like a lot of Tarantino movies, and I like general badassery, and it certainly delivered that.

meetapossum

@Nicole Cliffe I saw Lincoln and Zero Dark Thirty, and I'm really glad ZDT didn't win anything. Sorry, Jessica Chastain! You were nothing to write home about!

Scandyhoovian

@meetapossum I've seen Django, Les Mis, and Skyfall, and that's really about it. I really WANT to see more of these movies but based on the clips from last night I would need some serious stock in tissues before I went diving headfirst into that.

Also, is Silver Linings Playbook just people screaming at each other for a whole film because based on the clips from the Oscars, yes it is. It is people screaming at each other.

pajamaralls

@area@twitter I'm pretty much in the same boat, Beast of the Southern Wild-wise.

I wanted to see it, but it never played in my area and when it finally came out on DVD I didn't buy it because it seemed like it would reduce me to a quivering pile of tears and snot.

Ragged But Right

@itiresias the man makes a good movie! It cannot be denied. And at the end, all I could think was 'I am SO GLAD I'm watching this, and not Lincoln.' Equally, his cameo must go down as the Worst Auteur Cameo In History.

Slapfight

@pajamaralls I cried for about 3 hours after Beasts of The Southern Wild, but SO worth it. I also cried during Frankenweenie 3 times, so there's that.

pajamaralls

@Slapfight Maybe I'll get it on Amazon Instant later in the week.

It seemed like it would make me sad much in the same way that The Fall did, but amplified.

Scandyhoovian

@Ragged But Right Tarantino should stop giving himself speaking roles in his own movies. They are never good. Never ever.

bnna

@pajamaralls I mean my dad is currently very sick and I just watched Beasts and was a slobbering mess through the entire thing. But it was sooooooo good, and slobbery in the therapeutic way. It was chillingly gorgeous and you can cheer yourself up afterwords by watching Quvezhane Wallis interviews and shopping for puppy purses online.

pajamaralls

@bnna Maybe they should start packing that movie with a Puppy Purse and bonus footage of Wallis being adorable and flexing her bad-ass 9 yr. old muscles at the Oscars?

Sorry to hear that your dad is sick.

fabel

I feel like I am going to regret defending Seth MacFarlane, but fuck it. I thought he was funny. I ~don't~ think his humor is as simple as "offensive for the sake of it"---to me, it's more making fun of itself? i.e. The joke at Jessica Chastain's character in Zero Dark Thirty ("women don't ever let shit go, har har")...I mean, that's obviously a ridiculous, misogynist interpretation. But it's not Seth MacFarlane's opinion---it's him making fun of whatever dolt would actually interpret the character that way.

So, just leaving this^ here. That's how I see his comedy. I know some people think it's all still indefensible, even if they also interpret his comedy the same way I do, but eh. I enjoy him.

(Didn't like the boob song though, so there's that)

area@twitter

@fabel No, I can see that interpretation and it's one I hadn't thought of. It didn't work for me, but I'm glad to hear a differing opinion that's not "stop being a humorless feminist".

Ophelia

@fabel Ah, OK, so I *almost* agree with you. (I made a similar comment above, so sorry for the repetition). I find Family Guy funny, mainly BECAUSE Peter Griffin provides a filter of sorts - he IS the guy that makes a misogynist joke, and truly doesn't get why no one laughs. I though a lot of Seth McFarlane's humor fell flat last night because it's a lot less funny without the Peter Griffin-esque filter to let us laugh AT the deliver-er, instead of with him. It made the target of the jokes the butt of the joke, instead of the comedian, which is what I think Seth McFarlane often goes for (and is why he's funny even when being inappropriate).

annejumps@twitter

@fabel "that's obviously a ridiculous, misogynist interpretation. But it's not Seth MacFarlane's opinion---it's him making fun of whatever dolt would actually interpret the character that way" Right, but there are so many dolts out there that sincerely are like, yeah, women don't let shit go! that it's just not absurd enough to come off as absurd.

coolallison

@fabel I also thought he was funny.

fabel

@annejumps@twitter no yeah, I get that---& hear that argument a lot for, like, rape jokes ("ALL rape jokes are bad because of the one rapist in the audience who is agreeing/seeing it as validation") So at that point, it becomes more of a debate on how comedians should tailor the offensiveness---IS it okay to dance on this line, is it not okay, does it (like you said) have to truly be way absurd in order to work?

@area@twitter this comment makes me happy because I wasn't sure if I was just repeating something you all knew, but still didn't agree with, or if (for all my careful wording) I was still coming off insensitively. So, yay

@Ophelia This makes a lot of sense. Like, a lot, a lot of sense; thank you. I figured everybody who was not into it last night just kinda hated Seth MacFarlane in general, but this is a more nuanced explanation for the negative consensus in general.

area@twitter

@fabel :D Thank you for writing with such care and thoughtfulness. WINNER!
@Ophelia Yes, thank you, I think you nailed it. If Peter Griffin had done the show I would have found it a lot more enjoyable.

stuffisthings

@fabel I didn't find him particularly funny, but if there is ANY group of people on Earth who can handle being cruelly mocked in this fashion, it's Hollywood blowhards. I think that's why the only jokes that landed for me were the ones clearly designed to intentionally make specific people in the audience uncomfortable (yes, including the boobs song.)

Also agree with @Ophelia's point, in Family Guy you are supposed to be laughing AT Peter. The fact that many people just find his jokes funny is sort of beside the point. I mean, Archie Bunker would have been kind of a pointless character if there weren't a large segment of the audience that agreed with him...

stuffisthings

@fabel (Also, this is Hollywood, you think there's only ONE rapist in the audience?)

itiresias

@fabel No, I agree. I have little experience seeing MacFarlane be himself, but I'm not a Family Guy or American Dad fan (and I generally have the sense of humor of a teenage boy, so that says something) and Ted looked god awful, so I expected to hate him as a host, and I didn't. By no means did I like him that much, and I hated the boobs song too. But more because it's fucking played out than because the concept isn't funny. Like, the joke in Knocked Up about Seth Rogen and co spending all of their time gathering data for a website that pinpoints when you can see any actress's boobs, and then finding out that exact site has already been on the web for a good amount of time. I also felt bad for the actresses - everyone they panned to just looked so "are you kidding me?" and humorless about it. And I'm usually someone who likes to see famous people be miserable.

For some reason, watching him without the Peter Griffin filter made me feel like a lot more of his comedy is a satire on its own douchey nature than I had realized before, and that was a good thing. Mostly what I hated was that he kept making jokes ABOUT the jokes. A couple would be okay, but come on dude, pretending you're too cool to be hosting the Oscars really doesn't fit with the show, and it just shits all over your writers.

Scandyhoovian

@fabel I think this is a great point about McFarlane's brand of comedy -- I just think a lot of his stuff last night was unfunny. I watch Family Guy and American Dad and tend to like a good bit of McFarlane's stuff, but I feel like a lot of the jokes just didn't hit any kind of mark at all. Probably because he was toning himself down a bit for the audience. Which is good, 'cause if THIS offended so many people, it would have gone worse if he hadn't, but at the same time I think restricting himself killed most of the hilarity he may have otherwise been able to pull off.

I can see why people were offended by McFarlane, I just wasn't particularly offended myself (a few points made me go "ergh, seriously?" - the Chris Brown/Rihanna joke, the horrible closing number) but otherwise I found him unfunny and tedious.

Better to Eat You With

@fabel It's also a matter of context. I don't give a shit if somebody tries to play both sides of this line in stand-up--that's great, I don't think it's funny so I won't watch your stand up. But the Oscars *should* be tailored to a wider audience, and I think it's asking a lot for everyone to perceive a satirical veneer that's not actually being indicated by anything but a familiarity with the host's other work. (Even in that context, I found it all tired and boring, but that's maybe just me.)

EMarrinner

@fabel to repeat coolalison: I also thought he was funny.

crisisalert

I actually didn't like having Michelle Obama announce Best Picture? Like, I love her and everything, but I just don't think the White House should have anything to do with movies. It was weird and uncomfortable.

SuperGogo

@crisisalert I agree. I feel super squeamish with some sort of White House Stamp of ApprovalTM on the Academy Awards.

laurel

@crisisalert I wonder if they'd have done it if Zero Dark Thirty had won.

stuffisthings

@crisisalert Yeah pretty sure Reagan ruined that for ya.

Like so, so many things....

v=ir

@crisisalert
but I loooooove Michelle Obama. I love her. She's a mom lawyer with bangs who cant. stand. being the first lady. It feels like every appearance shes testing to see how far she can push it. Like shes play acting Laura Bush on ecstasy because she'd rather be raking somebody over the coals in court, but instead she has to glad hand for her husband. I love her.

Also, I love that lady who sang goldfingaaaaaaar.

maevemealone

@v=ir That lady is Dame Shirley Bassey. That's her song. I was also really happy to see Adele finally, literally, let her hair down. The pinched and dated updo's needed a break. Her hair is gorgous, let it be free!

v=ir

@maevemealone My little sister was so pissed that the audience didn't stand for Adele after she sang. She had some tough acts to follow, but her nails were on point last night. into it.

Mingus_Thurber

Could somebody please explain to me the whole hooraw about A.Hathaway's dress being ill-fitting? It didn't look ill-fitting in the stills I saw. Somebody (maybe the Fug Girls? I forget) compared it to Gwyneth Paltrow's pink thing when she won for "Shakespeare In Love." I just don't see it.

Are my standards for tailoring that out of step with the rest of the world? (Yes, they are, but anyway.)

hands_down

@Mingus_Thurber I think it's because there were darts where her nipples actually are. I didn't think it was truly terrible, but kind of weird if she didn't notice it beforehand.

maevemealone

@hands_down @Mingus_Thurber It was incredibly ill-fitting. She said she picked it out three hours before showtime, so I'm figuring it had no tailoring done to it beyond simply being in her size. The darts were too big and loose on her petite chest. The waist needed taken just a bit, so it basically just made her look like a shapeless Barbie doll. Meow, I know, but that's what happens with last second decisions, they tend to look like one.

sumerfish

@Mingus_Thurber Darts are supposed to be at least 1" away from the nipples to prevent the exact optical illusion she was sporting (the 'crazy pointy boobs' illusion).

The dress would've been pretty, but pale pink satin hides NO flaws, so I can understand why she would go up a half-size rather than down (square waist and pointy boobs rather than bulging and pinching). But why she did not get it tailored better is a mystery to me.

itiresias

@Mingus_Thurber When I was 13 and didn't have boobs yet, but had enough of the developing stages to look awkward, I owned a high-necked halter top from Abercrombie Kids that I wore without a bra. It looked exactly like what she was wearing last night.

Alli525

@Mingus_Thurber The issue wasn't with ALL of the fitting, but the darts were terribly placed and the neckline made it look like she was wearing a satin apron. Also, and maybe this was just on the red carpet, but satin wrinkles like crazy and I remember seeing a big crease at her waist, presumably from sitting in a limo for a couple hours.

highfivesforall

@Mingus_Thurber It was particularly obvious as she walked up the stairs to accept her oscar - like, the bar I was in erupted with "OMG Are those actually her nipples? Is she wearing a see-through dress?" so much that I didn't even hear her say "it came true". I think it was the angle - the camera was above her at that point, so you couldn't see the shadow of the darts.

ms. alex

@Mingus_Thurber The back of the dress was so pretty; it's too bad the front of her dress hated her boobs.

Mingus_Thurber

@ms. alex This thread is yet another nail in the coffin of "Let Mingus dress herself."

cupcakecore@twitter

Seth McFarlane made a very recent joke on one of his shows about the Station Nightclub fire, the 10th anniversary just having passed on the 20th of this month. So I kind of feel like anything that he said at the Oscars could not have been that bad.

ms. alex

I really liked all the beards on dudes and pixie cuts on ladies (esp. Charlize Theron). I imagined they were all doing it for me.

anachronistique

ALSO

Brave won, and it was my favorite film of 2012, and Brenda Chapman got a statuette in spite of Pixar screwing her over, and she wore a Renfaire princess dress and motorcycle boots. A+++ on that.

Scandyhoovian

@anachronistique YES THIS. I was so glad to see her up there and that they gave her a statuette!

Lily Rowan

@anachronistique I THOUGHT I remembered something like that! I guess it speaks well for Pixar that they left her on as co-director, but more likely it's a union rule based on how much of the film she actually made, right?

wee_ramekin

@anachronistique Wait, what happened with Pixar screwing who-now over?

Lily Rowan

@wee_ramekin Brenda Chapman came up with and started making Brave, and then got fired, basically.

OhMarie

@wee_ramekin I don't know all of the dirty details, but the original director of Brave, Brenda Chapman, was replaced when the movie was halfway done with Mark Andrews. They both seemed pretty cool with being up there together, which I thought was nice.

wee_ramekin

@OhMarie @Lily Rowan Oh man! That's terrible.

Valley Girl

@anachronistique YESSSS I was very excited to see her up on the stage, I held my breath through the first speaker hoping they'd let her speak.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

I would like to dance with Charlize. Also maybe Channing, but Charlize and her delightful dress and gorgeous haircut, forever.

pajamaralls

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose My take away of the Oscars is that I'm just going to admit that I find Channing Tatum really likeable. Him + Charlize dancing just pushed it over the edge.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@pajamaralls Ugh, I know, right? And him on the red carpet with his adorable pregnant wife...almost got some cavities from the sweetness.

pajamaralls

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose Yes! He just seems like a really nice guy. And every time I see him on talk shows/when he hosted SNL he's been funny. And he dances.

Decca

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose My brain interpreted Channing as "...Carol?". Another worthy dance partner, for sure!

wee_ramekin

@pajamaralls "And he dances."

Does he ever. Mmmmm

pajamaralls

@wee_ramekin Well. Damn.

TARDIStime

@wee_ramekin faaast scrooolll...

v=ir

I cant see Les Mis because 1998 Geoffrey Rush was THE BEST Javert. Russel Crowe... is the worst.

frigwiggin

Quvenzhane's puppy purse with its own dress and tiara, though

area@twitter

@frigwiggin The existence of that puppy purse absolves many sins.

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