Jen Doll addresses textual elongaaation. JennnnnnnnnnnnNNNNNNN!!!!
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I guess I thought of it as being a manifestation of our tendency to use repetition for emphasis? Like how, when your dog or kid is breaking something, you say, "no no no no no no!"
Full disclosure: Jen Doll is my second cousin.
I do this alllllllllllll the time.
And re: the last part---UGH YES. This is how my S/O & I can tell when one of us is mad.
@fabel My giveaway is if the message has a period at the end
@lalaladododo Dating a grammar stickler is unnerving.
Gosh, linguistics is just the very best field. Alternate History Emby is probably researching stuff like this and is definitely happier and more satisfied with his profession than This Universe Emby.
@Emby This-universe Es did linguistics at university and thoroughly enjoyed it. And being a sub-editor I actually use my education. I love the way people play with language, as long as it's done deliberately and thoughtfully it doesn't activate my prescriptivist side. (Which makes me a poor linguistician but a good editor!)
Yes! I tell people all the time that if I had been born rich, I would be pursing a PhD in linguistics rather than working a desk job.
@Es I think I am very close to you on the prescriptivist-descriptivist scale.
@Emby I often want to consider myself a novice linguist or armchair linguistician.
@Emby I only sometimes regret that I abandoned my English-major roots and got a graduate degree in another field. Alternate-universe par_ is a foxy university professor lecturing giddily to her students about the lingual tactility of certain vowel-consonant patterns.
I haven't read the piece yet, but it annoys me to no end when people repeat letters that do not stretch out in speech, as in OH SHITTTTTTTT
@fondue with cheddar haha uhoh!
@fondue with cheddar That doesn't bother me as much as when people repeat silent letters, which them makes them un-silent. As in "i LOVEEEE that!" Actually I HATEEE it.
@Jillsy Sloper @fondue with cheddar Even your examples are making me furious. I could really go for a sit right about now.
@fondue with cheddar @Jillsy Sloper I AM THE SAME WAY. Drives me bonkers.
@Jillsy Sloper YES! Because in your mind you pronounce all the EEEEEEEs!
Hmm...this strikes me as possibly related to the "when you read, do you speak the words in your head?" thing. We should do a study!
@Jillsy Sloper Oh my god, you all, this is currently in the top 2 of my annoyance list. Whenever I see that inanity, I literally (yes) say to myself, "OH, REALLY? YOU LOVIE IT?" Because that is not the way it's said.
I recognize that many linguists love to observe changes in language/how language is used, and they say that insistence on strict adherence to "rules" is elitist and exclusionary and serves to create classes of "proper" language users versus the "ignorant unwashed" (all my words, just as an uneducated observer of things linguists say). And I grant that it is quite interesting to observe how uses such as texting (etc.) are contributing to a shift from the perception of written language as the written communication of meaning that is spoken (you speak it to yourself in your head as you write and read it) to a use of written language as something that is perceived purely as written, thus no need to conform to rules of spoken expression when spelling, but...
I'm really annoyed when people don't understand that LOOOOOOVE and LOOVVEEE are not saying the same thing.
~end incoherent, half-thought-out diatribe~
@fondue with cheddar I do this on accident ALL THE TIME and it drives me crazy when I realize it. I feel so guilty for making the other person stress out about grammar and linguistics and pronunciation.
@terrific oh ... i do this on purpose all the time. AND IDGAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
@redheaded&crazy i mean like, not on purpose to be awful, but on purpose like ... that's the way I wanted to type it! I don't care if it doesn't make sense to anybody!!
this is why I have no friends, I suspect
@redheaded&crazy But at least F is a fricative, so you actually can keep saying it. When people do it with stops, like in fondue's example, I don't understand it - maybe only some people speak the words in their head as they read/write? We have a hypothesis! Now for some funding - anyone? Anyone?
@highfivesforall yeah I do it all the time in anger, FFFFFFFFUUUUUCK! I can be fairly intense.
@fondue with cheddar Right! I make ample use of this tactic via gchat (I dunno, I have a lot of intense feelings and enthusiasms I guess?), but the only reason is to replicate the emphasis I'd place on these words in speech. These examples always bug me, though I suspect I'll have to come to see it as just a new thing, where I imagine you placing emphasis on these words by leaving your finger on the last letter for an extended period of time in excitement or frustration -- and that is a little interesting, it's like a new kind of gesture that can be transmitted over the internet, kind of like the good old-fashioned keyboard smash (sdfjhrefaksffdhrfbsdhh).
@fondue with cheddar
OMG MEEEE TOOOO!!!!!!!
@fondue with cheddar fffffffffffffffricative
@shart_attack I'm saying it over and over in my head just like that and it's making my brain-ears very happy. fffffffffffffffricative :D
@fondue with cheddar Try saying it out loud. See how many times you can repeat it before your co-workers think you're nuts. It's fun.
@shart_attack They just thought I was cursing out my computer.
What the ffffffffricative.
@fondue with cheddar I am so using this.
@shart_attack I want to put it on a t-shirt.
i didn't really do this that much until the Hairpin, but I've become very fond of elongation of non-vowels - like, oh my goddddddddddddddd, even though you can't say it that way.
@iceberg I am the worst (best?) at this. Also, caps lock. Communicating intent and mood through just words is hard sometimes!
@iceberg BUT WHEN I READ THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE A MACHINE GUN
@fondue with cheddar BUT "OH MY GOOOOOOOOOD" IS WORSE.
@iceberg I love on tumblr how the proper use of capslock when excited is to suddENLY TURN IT ON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SENTENCE OH MY GOD
Also, spelling out a word - N O P E - and just generally never using punctuation or capitalization.
@fondue with cheddar but mostly that's appropriate - imagine me shuddering as I say it, like "the dog. oh my goddddddd" *shoulders haaking in silent horror*
I feel like this is not a new thing and certainly shouldn't be set at the feet of 20-somethings outside of maybe because Chaucer and Shakespeare and Wodehouse were probably 20 something at one point.
For the same reason there is an exclamation point after every other sentence (at least) in my emails.
Hey guys, remember RIIIICH?
Let us not forget SPAAAAAATES!
I just snort-cackled remembering Spates. SPAAAAAAAATES!
I am a huge fan of any non formal way people write, I've developed huge crushes based on this sort of idiosyncrasy. Once in a poetry workshop in college I asked out a girl because I thought she had a beautiful S.
@leon s Oh god, pretty handwriting is a definite deal-maker for me.
@leon s Oh I am fascinated by this! I have this almost knee-jerk revulsion to idiosyncratic writing habits! I think it's because I can't help but see it as an affection, or as a way to mask otherwise bad writing. But then, I am a boring person with vanilla tastes in most everything.
On my favorite podcast, Comedy Bang! Bang!, Scott Aukerman says, "B-B-B-Bonus Clip!" and Paul F. Tompkins ingeniously amends it to be "B-B-B-Bonus-S-S-S...clip" and it is funny.
I have very specific feelings about how many !s or ?s are appropriate at the end of any sentence... Generally speaking no more than 3 unless it is clear that you are being facetious ("omg i am a teenager lolz!!!1!!!") or are inordinately excited and your friend already knows you're insane ("Fergie announced her pregnancy by tweeting #mylovelybabybump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!").
2 is generally my standard and conveys that I am slightly more [emotion: excited/concerned] than normal but still 100% sincere (re graduation: "Yay Adulthood!!/Yay Adulthood??").
1 means I am at work and/or not overly enthusiastic but expressing what is understood to be the correct emotion ("Another cat? That's great!").
3 means I am fucking PUMPED about something but don't want to look like a crazy person.
@Alli525 I agree. I recently started upping my question marks from just one, and I feel like "????" is a slightly less alarmed interrobang ("?!").
I could never use multiple exclaimation or question marks after reading Terry Pratchett's Maskerade because of the running gag of this excerpt:
"What sort of person," said Salzella patiently, "sits down and writes a maniacal laugh? And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head. Opera can do that to a man."
@Alli525 I also have pretty specific feelings about exclamation marks! Like usually I think to myself ... hmm, better add more. Then I go back through what I wrote and up the exclamation factor by a few and then I feel like it's good.
(Actually it's the opposite, usually I downgrade my exclamation factor so I can pretend like I have a normal human level of enthusiasm, but in my head everything has at least five exclamation marks)
@redheaded&crazy I have to go back through work emails before I send them and delete exclamation points. One day I'll train myself to be as professional as I want to appear and not have to put them in at all (!)
I took an intro acting class once that said that in scripts three exclamation marks means the person is furious, so I will use either double or quadruple (or multiple) when expressing excitement. I'm actually trying to make double exclamation marks my thing and am probably going to get a tattoo of them. Hi hairpin commenters, I feel safe here :)
This also makes the band !!! scan differently.
I think this is related to the over-exclamation pointing of things too, in texts, where because you lack the vocal cues the denote your excitement or even simple okay-ness with something, you need to make it obvious that you are NOT upset, so must elongate things or say "Okay! Sounds great!" which is pretty clear you are not being deadpan/sarcastic. I notice my female friends do this way more than my male friends, or men in general, which also results in my girlfriends texting guys like "Hey! I had a great time! See you soon??" and him being like "Me too. Okay." and the tizzy all that ensues.
tl;dr technology is changing the way we communicate and seems to be gendered.
@martinipie I shit bricks when dudes text me exclamation points and so do most of my friends. "He used an exclamation point!!!!!!!" has shown up in my gchat window so many times.
@martinipie This is why we need the I'm Not Angry punctuation mark.
I think tossing in a few extra vowels (or even consonants, sometimes) makes our writing more like our actual voices. Nuance! When my bestie tells me that she's out of chocolate, I wouldn't say, "No." Or, "Oh, no." I am most definitely saying, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO."
@ayo nicole Agreed. I feel that this is an appropriate use of elongation.
@ayo nicole You need to go to nooooooooooooooo.com like, yesterday.
@cei-face You just changed my life. Thank you.
@ayo nicole whaaaaaaaaaaat
@frigwiggin And by that I mean, I agree 200%.
@frigwiggin "whaaaaaaaat" with no punctuation is my favorite.
@meetapossum What about a simple "wut" to indicate shock and confusion?
@meetapossum It was perfect for when my sister IMed me out of the blue to announce her pregnancy.
@RK Fire To me they are different whats! "whaaaaaaaaat" is for when I am like those owls that turn their heads upside down to look at things and I am intrigued! "wut" is for blatant confusion and feeling like somthing maybe went over your head....god I am such a nerd. and "lolwut" is also different but I'm not sure how.
@RK Fire I also like the British "wot."
@martinipie The whats are my favorites, too, I think.
Whaaaaaaaaaa... is not the same as whaaaaaaat OR wut OR WHAT. Totally different inflections in my brain.
@ayo nicole lolwut is like "what are you talking about? that makes no sense and is unintentionally hilarious"
@martinipie To me, "wut" is more confusion, whereas "lolwut" is like "I do not understand how this is real."
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