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Thursday, February 28, 2013

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But music with "wispy lady vocals and electronic bloop-bloops" IS amazing

If you worry that you're boring or posting the wrong kind of Instagram pictures, Scott Simpson can help. Admittedly his Instagrams are pretty excellent. [via]

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Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

"You are a Democrat, an outspoken atheist, and a foodie. You like to say “Science!” in a weird, self-congratulatory way."

oh my god i know so many people like this and i hate all of them.

Vicky

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood Also: "Books!" in that same weird, self-congratulatory way.

sarah girl

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood All he forgot was craft beer.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@Sarah H. fucking 'beer people' UGH.

and its like ok neil degrasse tyson is so great whatever could u not be so pleased with yrself for 5 seconds

rootmarm

@Sarah H. He also forgot "sharing George Takei's facebook statuses" but I definitely felt it was strongly implied.

pajamaralls

@rootmarm I am sometimes friends with/know this exact dude, if you replace Democrat with sometimes socialist.

It is...tiring.

pajamaralls

@pajamaralls Not that liking what you like is tiring, but I suppose what is most tiring about the person/people we're describing is the outspoken atheist part. I just have so many issues with neo-astheism, chief among them is that science and Neil Degrasse Tyson are not the anti-religion as they are so often used.

Also, the only acceptable way to ever call yourself a foodie is if saying "I can't eat this, I'm a foodie!" a la Tracy Jordan

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@pajamaralls oh man i just realized another thing i hate about this mentality: categorizing political/philosophical beliefs as 'interests' and removing them from critical thought

like, why use atheism as a base for subverting/criticizing patriarchal power structures when u can use it to flatter yrself as being 'smart' and make fun of the beliefs of poor ppl and ppl of color

pajamaralls

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood Right! My issues really boil down to that. My friend's are terrible about this - to the point that I've avoided hanging out with them.

It's so easy for to overlook the huge historical and social significance of churches in such communities - like in Black communities during the Civil Rights era, and the fact that churches/religious orgs. often offer shelter and food to people in need.

renegadeoboe

I wish people would stop deploring other people based on lists of things they like. He has a point about Listening Being A Thing We All Should Do More, but please? It is okay to like stuff! It is not okay to be a dick to people exclusively because they like stuff!

Emby

@renegadeoboe Liking stuff is so '90s.

noodge

@renegadeoboe yes, and so often it's poking fun at people who have the misfortune of being just the other side of the popular culture curve. we don't all have the luxury to be culturally cutting edge.

renegadeoboe

@Emby I will like all of the stuff.

olivebee

@renegadeoboe Agreed. In terms of interests and beliefs (Democrat/atheist, comic books, cats, podcasts) and NOT the pretentious food preferences, he pretty much described everyone I know. I guess it's typical/boring and people can sometimes be obnoxious about it, but what's the alternative? Hanging out with a bunch of whitebread Republicans who hate on people because their religion told them so?* No, thanks. Whatever, I guess I'll see my comedy podcast/cat/vegetarian food & craft beer/fashion/television-loving liberal athiest self out because I'm soooo boring. (Side note: it's also extremely hard to find people who share my other, less-common interests, so why not bond over things I do have in common with them?)

*I agree with his larger points about listening and branching out and meeting different types of people (which is why I go to Pinups and take dance classes and go to shows), so I am not miffed because of that. I just think it's pointless to call out or attack people because they like things that several other people like.

H.E. Ladypants

@noodge Oh hell no know that's not a luxury. That takes work.

Life got so much easier when I started just being interested in things and stopped looking for things that were "new."

Vicky

@olivebee I don't think he's slamming people for liking that particular set of things. To me it came off of more of a warning not to be a blowhard about those things and to not let just those things define you.

H.E. Ladypants

@olivebee Man, I am so kind of done with this paradiagm we've got where people get slammed for having common interests but yet stepping outside those interests also yields condemnation. Haha, yeah, we're so sick of loud atheists but having an attachment to a religion will not win you brownie points with the same people.

Basically, I take issue with these characterization for the exact same reason I also take issue with your characterization of "whitebread Rebublicans" (with which I do take issue.) Groups always look homogenous from a distance. But when you look more closely, the individuals are not. Groups are groups and we get tired of them but no person is ever really the sum of the parts of a group. Individual people are way more complex and interesting than that!

In summation, I feel like folks just being themselves will almost always have a streak of rad in them but nothing is more tiresome than an individual trying to subsume themselves in or rage against the flat, distantly perceived, identity the group.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@renegadeoboe ok like, i didnt read this as an indictment of 'liking things' or 'liking not cool things' at all? but saying 'get over yrself' to middle class neoliberal college educated yuppie assholes who try to make their meaningless/vanilla personal tastes seem iconoclastic and progressive without a hint of self awareness????

olivebee

@H.E. Ladypants Very fair point - I did lump people into a group. I guess I said it because, while there are personal differences and various traits among hateful, bigoted Republicans, they are still hateful and bigoted, and I'd prefer a group of loud liberals any day (who also come off as homogenous....I mean, all of us pinners sound like a chorus of sameness whenever we get riled up over bigotry, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that). I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. For what it's worth, it was the traits themselves that the author pointed out that I took issue with, not the general homogeneity. Like, there are some things out there that bazillions of people enjoy, and those people aren't attacked as being pretentious or boring because of the thing itself. But comics, food, cats, etc. deserve people's ire because why? Hipsters/urban yuppies like those things?

renegadeoboe

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood Yup! What I dislike is the practice of listing things that people like in order to identify a group. Why not just say, "middle-class neoliberal college-educated yuppie assholes" instead of condemning a bunch of people who like stuff and also the people who like the people who like stuff because they also like it?

leonstj

@renegadeoboe - I feel like, maybe it is okay for a bunch of people to like the same shit?

Like, I am one of those people. My instagram is ALMOST ENTIRELY pictures of food, bars, and shit like that. I'm not a dick about it (and hate Bill Maher because he IS a dick about it, and so many things) but yeah, I'm an atheist/democrat/etc.

I'm a white middle-class dude who went to art school and lives in Williamsburg. I am a million kinds of cliche. I get it, I know it, and me and my friends spend a lot of time talking about handmade pickles and screen printing. We happen to like it. (Except pickles, i think they are gross)

You know what else is EVERY BIT AS CLICHE? That one asshole in the crowd who actually likes all of those things, but needs to rant about how people are boring. Look, I get it asshole, we're boring to you - but not to each other. That's why we're talking to each other.

I consider myself lucky to have 30 minutes a day to spend on a few blogs I enjoy and blow off work-steam bullshitting with people. And I happen to be a huge enough culture nerd that I wake up an extra 30 minutes early just to go through my RSS reader and find cool new songs, art shows, etc.

A lot of my friends don't. A lot of my friends talk about "Girls" and have only like, in the last two weeks heard The xx for the first time. They love their homemade pickles. They're way behind by "hipster" standards, but "super hipster" when they go back to the jersey or boston suburbs they came from. Basically, they're New Yorkers.

I feel like this dude is critiquing people who are kinda-hip for not being mega hip. Like, he's not throwing shade on the vast majority of 20 year old non-tech/blog/ny/la elite people I went to High School with - their instagrams consist of their kids pictures, and their facebook walls are about NCIS and PTA Meetings. Nobody is telling those people to spend a bunch more time becoming more interesting.

Because, ya know, life goes on and some people run out of time to be interesting. I turned 30 this year, and a lot of my friends aren't as "cool" as they used to be. They work more. They're planning for weddings. They're taking care of sick parents. When we go out for the occasional beer or tapas dinner, I don't fucking bitch that they're not as cool as they used to be. I don't whine, missing the days when they always had a new bootleg japanese patti smith EP, or some cool new boyfriend.

I'm happy to see them, because I love them for who they are, as individuals. Talking about the same, cliche, boring, middle of the road shit everyone else in New York does - it's not because we really care about that shit. We just want a little bit of time to be in the presence of people we feel comfortable with. Being into the same shit as everyone else gives us a little safe space to just nod, agree, and cozy up in the presence of another person.

If you want your life to always be an adventure, that is awesome, and I hope you enjoy it. But if you're going to snark on people who are just trying to find some easy, simple chilling out to make it through the hard, boring slog that real life can be - damn, that's wack.

deepomega

@renegadeoboe I don't think his piece is about how boring liking the same things is, it's about how boring it is to think "liking coffee makes me interesting!" Which, I know a LOT of people who think their whitebread instagram interests make them fantastically unusual, and it doesn't. If you want to be interesting, you gotta maybe follow some of his other advice, not get wrapped in a list of enjoyments.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@renegadeoboe bc that is criticizing yr readership

H.E. Ladypants

@olivebee I think I just took issue because I come from a republican dominated rural place and in my personal experience, while the national rhetoric comes off as hateful and awful, I've known a pretty large number of individuals who identify as conservative and Republican who are kind, interesting, and a pleasure to spend time with.

I dunno. I just don't like the idea that there's "us safe folks" and "those hateful folks." I think that's more of a myth conjured up by rhetoric and politicians who have a lot to gain by slicing people up than the reality of people as they actually are, think and behave.

Am I saying that there aren't people out there whose opinions I find repugnant? No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that things aren't so neatly split. There are probably people on this board I would violently disagree with and there are people where I grew up with whom I might have an enthusiastic common ground on one thing or another. Hell, I know a few Republicans who are very keen to talk beer and scotch with me.

Which, while I feel weird sitting down and defending Republicans in any light, I'm just saying I'm also really uncomfortable with writing off half the country as being hateful and bad company to boot. There's just this othering thing happening that's so contrary to my experience.

renegadeoboe

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood HA!

H.E. Ladypants

@leon s I feel like we are the same person. Right down to understanding that I'm a cliche and not really caring because I am 30 and real life is going on.

Well, except that I'm a lady and I live in Fort Greene. Everything else stacks up, though.

renegadeoboe

@deepomega I think the point of putting that stuff online is not to point oneself out as fantastically unusual, but to share it with other people who find it interesting. Which is not the author, but also doesn't really merit the author's scorn?

olivebee

@H.E. Ladypants Ahhhh you keep misunderstanding me. I am not writing off half the country/Republicans as hateful and bigoted. I am using hateful and bigoted as a modifier for a group of Republicans (the hateful and bigoted ones). I also grew up in a very conservative, Catholic area and knew many kind, warm people. I also knew many more people who told me I would burn in hell and that I should get out of this country (for being Jewish). None of that matters to my point, which is that there are hateful and bigoted republicans out there (I never once said all of them were), and there are loud and obnoxious liberals out there.

H.E. Ladypants

@olivebee Ah! Sorry for misunderstanding! I get you now.

It was just the original dichotomy of craft-brew-loving liberals vs. bigoted, hateful Republicans that threw me. (Which, I've had this conversation a few times. So I might also have been projecting.)

Apologies for the misreading but you've got admit, this is a thing that happens.

olivebee

@H.E. Ladypants You are correct, this is a thing that happens (coming from both sides). And in terms of creating a dichotomy...sometimes those dichotomies just sort of happen based on the nature of people who identify with one set of beliefs versus another. While there are always exceptions, consider something like hunting. Probably waaaay more hunters would identify as conservative than liberal. Conversely, pop culture nerds tend to be more liberal. My interests just happen to align with a lot of other liberals.

My original statement confused/combined both my interests with my anger at hateful, bigoted people because pretty much every Republican I know personally, while usually very nice and friendly, is still racist, sexist, and close-minded. So I think I just meant that I don't mind how common/repetitive the loud liberals are in my life because they beat the alternative.

Sorry for all the confusion! I swear I don't think all Republicans are awful. I just unfortunately happen to know so many of the awful ones.

leonstj

@deepomega - You make a good point too. You should have written the article, you've been on a roll lately.

I think my problem with the piece - and the one you address - is that it doesn't make the distinction between the boring people (people like me, generally) who are completely okay knowing that they are boring, and the people who are boring but think they're interesting. Cuz the 2nd half really is great advice for people to become more interesting - I just disagree with the idea that all people in general, ya know, need to be interesting.

Less Lee Moore@facebook

@leon s You are wise. I would hang out with you and your friends!

MaxBraverman

We are all this.

anachronistique

Wow, I'm so glad comic books have gone from something weird that gets nerds mocked to something utterly passe and boring.

fondue with cheddar

Edith, you are correct about the "wispy lady vocals and electronic bloop-bloops".

mrs psmith

My favorite kind of bore is a self-congratulatory bore, so I enjoyed his post.

fondue with cheddar

I love the idea of Wikipedia's "Random Article" button, but it rarely returns anything interesting when I use it.

whizz_dumb

@fondue with cheddar Have you tried stumbleupon.com? I used to enjoy it a couple years ago, not sure why I stopped. I read too much internet?

fondue with cheddar

@whizz_dumb I have! And I stopped because I kept getting sucked into the Internet Black Hole.

whizz_dumb

@fondue with cheddar We are the same person.

fondue with cheddar

@whizz_dumb My computer at home is basically dead, so the only place I get to use the Internet is at work (I've got my iPhone but that has its limits). It's both a blessing and a curse, because it keeps me from getting sucked in too deeply (because I have to get work done) but I also want to read/see way more things than I have time for. I could read the Internet 24 hours a day ever day and it still wouldn't be enough. THERE IS SO MUCH

whizz_dumb

@fondue with cheddar YUP! I could've written that exact comment and only been lying about my home computer a little, it was basically full of music and podcasts so the memory was full or there's no RAM or whatever. File management takes so much time, but I dumped a bunch of stuff onto a external drive and deleted a bunch of podcasts I would've never listened to. Still, that old desktop is basically relegated to internet and iTunes at this point.

fondue with cheddar

@whizz_dumb OMG SERIOUSLY ARE YOU ME? My computer is full of music and podcasts too, as is my external. It's also old though, so even if I did get it all cleaned up and streamlined I don't know that it would be all that great anyway. It basically sits upstairs collecting dust because I'm too lazy to clear it out. I used to use it for Internet and iTunes but it's so much easier to use my phone for that now. My old one is basically a dedicated Pandora player in a speaker dock. DIGITAL PACK RATS ARE WE

whizz_dumb

@fondue with cheddar Okay fweew, I know we are 2 separate people now because I don't have an upstairs. I mean I live upstairs on the 3rd floor OH SHIT IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT, UPSTAIRS FROM WHERE YOU PARK YOUR CAR!?

fondue with cheddar

@whizz_dumb No, but MY LAST APARTMENT WAS ON THE THIRD FLOOR. PERHAPS I AM FUTURE YOU.

iceberg

@fondue with cheddar #thelakehouse

aphrabean

I get why people are annoyed - I like almost everything on his list (especially wispy-bloop-bloops & comics.) But I will also say it IS boring when conversations become a tabulation of Things We Like and Why The Things We Like are Good, rather than an exchange of ideas or world views. It seems to happen a lot (no matter what circle I'm in, but I see it a lot in the "nerd culture" crowd), and I haaaaaate it. But then, I'm not a big socializer & I do know that many people think I'm boring a lot of times so what do I know!@aphrabean no, i think you make a good point.

iceberg

@aphrabean no, i think you make a good point.

anachronistique

@aphrabean But that's not about the actual things you like, that's about being a terrible conversationalist. Which can apply regardless of what you like. I guess I don't see what the first part of his article had to do with the second part at ALL other than just... yelling at his audience?

H.E. Ladypants

@aphrabean As a big nerd, I think the listing thing in nerd culture comes from an era when being a nerd was less okay. It's a way of feeling out each other and confirming identity. Sort of a nerdy version of drawing a fish in the sand.

That said, I don't think that the big issues he addresses are new or that the advice he gives is particularly startling. People have been finding ways to be dull conversationalists for centuries and have been writing instructions on how to be more engaging for pretty long time, too. And you're right. "Lists of things we like" has long known to be a dull as hell way to conduct an evening.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@aphrabean yes yes yes ive found that in discussions like this its less 'this is why i like X and this is my relationship with it' and more 'this is why X is great and if u dont agree yr a fucking idiot'. but then again, i like discussing how we interact with cultural capitol within an oppressive capitalist framework bc im insufferable.

aphrabean

@H.E. Ladypants As a liminal nerd, (too nerdy but not nerdy enough, woe is me!) I see your point about the listing! However, I feel like the identification of self with objects is concerning. It's totally not limited to nerdom - it's probably just capitalism in general - but my main point of contact is through nerd culture. It's the transition from "I like this, and find it interesting" to "I am a good and interesting person because I like this thing, and people who do not like these things are not as good or as interesting as I am."

I agree that his advice isn't new, but boy howdy do I know some people who could benefit from giving it a read! Myself included. (I should note that my very infrequently updated Instagram account is mostly filled with pictures of my dog wearing my boyfriend's shirts.)

aphrabean

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood I'M INSUFFERABLE TOO! LET'S BE FRIENDS.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@aphrabean YES LETS GET BEERS AND TALK ABOUT HOW EVEN IN LIKING THINGS WE ARE PUSHED BY CAPITALISM TO COMPETE AND USE CULTURAL CAPITAL TO SHAME EACH OTHER

aphrabean

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood I'm in!

highfivesforall

@aphrabean That sounds like the best reason to have an instagram account.

fondue with cheddar

@aphrabean "when conversations become a tabulation of Things We Like and Why The Things We Like are Good" THIS IS MY EX HUSBAND. Honestly, I think the biggest reason he wanted a kid was so he would have an impressionable mind to teach about Cool Things He Likes.

Also "Why the Things Liked by People of Whom I Am Envious Are Lame"

RK Fire

@fondue with cheddar Shit, I am now worried that pretty much sums up why part of me is interested in having a kid. I've never heard of it being put that succinctly before.

fondue with cheddar

@RK Fire But surely there are plenty of other reasons, right? Please, don't put yourself in the same category as him. You are miles above. Miles.

RK Fire

@fondue with cheddar Hahaha, thanks. Honestly, some of the other reasons range from things as superficial as "kids are adorable" to "the idea of raising of a family with my husband is pretty heartwarming."

Don't worry, I have a whole host of reasons to not have kids as well, which range from the selfish "I like sleeping in" to the more existential "do I really want to bring another sentient being into this crazy crazy world to be vulnerable to a lot of very good and bad things?" I'm pretty much riding the fence on this one.

fondue with cheddar

@RK Fire That all sounds pretty normal and healthy to me. :)

iceberg

I think his instagrams are shithouse and boring, so nyah.

highfivesforall

@iceberg It seems like he is not using filters at all, or only a little bit, which, why use instagram at all then? Just put your pictures on flickr or facebook or something. Filters are fun, and to me, the entire point of instagram.

iceberg

@highfivesforall would it kill ya to lomo something a little, guy? come ON! ;)

Ialdagorth

Is there an example of this wispy bloop bloop music because I'm drawing a blank here.
All I can think of is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloop
which is probably not to what the author refers.

highfivesforall

@Ialdagorth Maybe the Xx?

whizz_dumb

@Ialdagorth Grimes popped into my head first. They're definitely referring to Grimes. I can't get into them.

whizz_dumb

I do love me some wispy lady vocals though: Mirah, Fever Ray/The Knife, Widowspeak, Beach House--for that matter Non-wispy too: Neko Case is amazing and she seems really cool, judging by her twitter.

Ialdagorth

@whizz_dumb Ok well minus Neko Case I don't know who any of those people are, so I think I officially do not listen to wispy bloop music. HOWEVER I am sure what I do listen to is also boring, according to whoever makes these decisions.

PS I love Case's cover of Poor Ellen Smith.

Mira

Haha wait, all that is leading up to...how to take better pictures for Instagram? We're supposed to come up with our own punchlines for that, right?

Roxanne Rholes

I dislike this guy WAY more than I dislike the people he describes. Please, tell us more about your life changing travel experiences in Budapest. YOU'RE SO REAL.

fabel

@Roxanne Rholes He's lived internationally !

TheBourneApproximation

@Roxanne Rholes Damn it, I am effing tired when I get home from my commute and sometimes I just wanna be my cat-loving, comics-reading strident atheist self, rather than tirelessly sculpting myself into an interesting human being with more unique Instagram pictures. People have been saying "Asking questions makes you a more interesting person!" for much longer than you have. And given that we're talking about a stereotype of liberal internet folk here instead of real people, most of the people you're calling boring probably *are* reading different books and thinking about interesting topics and making new things. Perhaps you should consider asking them about it, instead of smugly talking about Budapest.

The whole article read like a much more serious version of Stuff White People Like.

travelmugs

Either this is performance art, or he is Justin from Parks and Rec.

Less Lee Moore@facebook

@Roxanne Rholes Ahaha! Yes!

fabel

Okay but for real, this guy cannot go on a rant about "lumpy goo" food pictures & then not even make me have to scroll down on his Instagram before I see a LUMPY GOO pic of some indiscernible red stuff.

Judith Slutler

Everyone is boring lol

aphrabean

@Emmanuelle Cunt Well, there's that.

Judith Slutler

@aphrabean I just feel like step 1 of becoming a happier person is just to be like "yes i am boring, deal with it!"

TheBourneApproximation

@Emmanuelle Cunt

Not everyone can be a special sparkling conversationalist snowflake who is constantly challenging the shared cultural status quo. What if I like being in a culture where comics and science are considered good things, to the point of cliche? Can't I just be lazy and uninteresting sometimes, Mr. Blog Man?

anachronistique

@Emmanuelle Cunt This has been the biggest lesson and greatest joy of the back half of my twenties.

grizzle_bees

@Emmanuelle Cunt YUP. Doesn't it rule to Know Who You Are in that special way that only Time and Maturity brings?

Judith Slutler

@shart_attack Why yes, I Know Who I Am and I am a boring person who literally has a days-of-the-week pillbox for my antidepressants, a 90% black and grey wardrobe, an urban gardening hobby, and a 5 year old mp3 player full of Motown songs and This American Life episodes. IT'S PRETTY GREAT ACTUALLY

grizzle_bees

@Emmanuelle Cunt Nice to meet you! I am a Boring Person in a lot of the ways outlined in this article: I Instagram photos of the food I make, I'm snobby about coffee, I drink bourbon, and I rarely step outside my Musical Comfort Zone, most likely because I have a history of dating douchey musicians who make me feel guilty for liking What I Like. Which is Boring, apparently! Oh, and I never challenge myself intellectually anymore, which I'm supposed to have Guilt about?

Lorelei@twitter

@Emmanuelle Cunt 'I just feel like step 1 of becoming a happier person is just to be like "yes i am boring, deal with it!"'
this has definitely been my personal experience. Like, my life right now is pretty boring. But this is the life I chose, and I like it. I worry about my boring-ness sometimes (usually when I'm scrolling through instagram and thinking "why don't I post more interesting instagram photos? oh right, because I am boring and have nothing interesting to take photos of," in fact), but that worry makes me a lot less unhappy than trying to push myself into "interesting" stuff I don't actually like. Turns out the point of my life is not actually to entertain Scott Simpson! Feel free to ignore me, bro. Strangers make me anxious anyway.

aphrabean

@Lorelei@twitter I had a highly "interesting" decade in my twenties, and I am very, very glad to put that behind me. (Interesting but still not Instagram-able unless you wanted to be severely bummed out.) I'm sure things will get more interesting again, from an external perspective. I personally find my day-to-day to be quite engaging and stimulating but I am certain it is not so to others! But for now, I am enjoying the quiet, calm lull.

H.E. Ladypants

@aphrabean Totally with you. I think I still worry about being "interesting" but what I mean by that is actually being engaged. Which for me means taking classes, going to the theater, enjoying bike rides and runs and keeping in contact with my friends.

...nothing that would make me look interesting on the internet, actually, but funny that way that shakes out.

Less Lee Moore@facebook

@aphrabean My "But I'm turning 30!" phase of trying to be more interesting was sort of disastrous and embarrassing (still glad it happened) so I'm okay with being boring if it means that I won't look like a recovering crack addict or whatever.

Story #2

Okay, I am tired of "science!" as an exclamation (though not as tired as I am of "Keep Calm and Carry On" pastiches), but is there anything more horrifyingly dull, middle-brow and soullessly engineered for linking than a list of ways to improve your social media output citing books that spent weeks on the NYT best-seller list?

Personally I started skimming half-way through. Too mindless; didn't read.

Judith Slutler

@Story #2 Yeah I mean, The Black Swan? For real? I think this guy might be everything he hates.

p.s. Thinking Fast And Slow was way better

Mira

@Story #2 I will confess that I was really hoping for a Malcolm Gladwell shout-out by the end. "Science!" (Not really.)

TheBourneApproximation

@Emmanuelle Cunt Much as those who shout loudest about hipsters are usually the biggest hipsters themselves...

@Mira The cultural zeitgeist seems to finally be swinging against Mr. Gladwell. It's all Nate Silver all the time now, man, and the world is better off for it. The whole "Science!" thing makes me roll my eyes, but hey, I'm not gonna stop people from unthinkingly lionizing something which is, in fact, pretty great.

Mira

@TheBourneApproximation Is it, finally? Thank God for that. I'm not cool enough to keep up with the cultural zeitgeist. ;)

Just a couple of months ago my boss asked me to summarize "The Tipping Point" for a long-term strategy meeting. It was hard to know what to say, beyond "This book sucked and is stupid and I don't know why it apparently became a thing."

fondue with cheddar

@Story #2 But is "science!" as an exclamation still okay in Thomas Dolby songs?

JessicaLovejoy

@fondue with cheddar I yell it in this manner all the time and am now terrified others will think I'm using it in the other, stupid way which I didn't even realize was a thing.

fondue with cheddar

@JessicaLovejoy I'm not entirely clear on what exactly the stupid way is. Do people just yell "science!" randomly, or is it saying "fuck yeah, science!" in conjunction with posting a link to some amazing science article (and what's wrong with that)? I don't get it.

H.E. Ladypants

@fondue with cheddar In my experience sometimes when people solve a problem or think through a thing they will shout "science!" I think the idea is that you're pretending to have just used the scientific method and the joke is that it's not really science, just a touch of logic that may have eluded you for a bit.

Alternatively, sometimes it's used in a cutesy way like on this adorable t-shirt: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=DC-BISCUIT

fondue with cheddar

@H.E. Ladypants Gotcha. I have not encountered this but I can see how it might get annoying if you hear it all the time. The shirt is pretty dang cute.

Less Lee Moore@facebook

@JessicaLovejoy It's not about Thomas Dolby? Whew, that's a relief.

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

Okay, I'll be interesting:
SCIENCE DOESN'T WORK!!

fondue with cheddar

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll BLASPHEMY TAKE IT BAAAAACK

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

@fondue with cheddar
You wanna just sit around and be boring all day!

YOUR AVATAR IS A CHICKEN!

fondue with cheddar

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll AT LEAST MY AVATAR ISN'T DEAD you poopyhead

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

@fondue with cheddar
Sorry, can't be interesting with you now. I'm off to "investigate the bromides [my] friends chuck around Twitter like frisbees," whatever the hell that even means?

fondue with cheddar

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll I was confused too, so I looked it up!

bro•mide |ˈbrōmīd|
noun
1 Chemistry a compound of bromine with another element or group bla bla bla
2 a trite and unoriginal idea or remark, typically intended to soothe or placate : feel-good bromides create the illusion of problem solving.

Though if it were up to me, the definition of bromide would be that dude who thinks he's your bro but you would rather he just go away.

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

@fondue with cheddar
I would have thought it would be a product you apply to deal with a bro infestation. But I guess that's bromicide. Or maybe Bro-B-Gone™.

fondue with cheddar

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll I love you, that is fantastic. I wish I'd had a can of that in college.

par_parenthese

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll DAFUQ, because can you investigate bromides? I call faulty predication on his ass, and thereby invalidate his entire argument.

shesaboutamover

Scott Simpson is a funny motherfucker who y'all are taking waaaaaaaay too seriously.

planforamiracle

@shesaboutamover AGREED!

RachelTheC

@shesaboutamover i was wondering if anyone else here had any context for scott simpson. Im a big YLNT fan, and i feel that helps put this in context: scott is mostly admonishing his own people- cool dads that travel, are internet savvy, and work from home on creative projects- more than anything else.

dorkmuffin

Man, Edith's endorsement of wispy lady vocals and electronic bloop bloops pretty neatly summarizes why the Hairpin's music taste is ... not in line with my own. Sometimes, you just need to ROCK.

fondue with cheddar

@dorkmuffin Can't you love both? I do!

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

@fondue with cheddar
No! You can't! It's one or the other! We have to have clashing opinions to make life interesting!

fondue with cheddar

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll AAAHH YOU ARE ARGUING WITH ME EVERYWHERE I GO WHY ARE YOU SO MEEEEAN?

I used be super agreeable all the time because I thought that was how you got people to like you, and I just didn't feel comfortable expressing a differing opinion. But then I dated a guy in college who HATED when people agreed with him, and actively encouraged me to dissent. It was a pretty big lesson for me. OKAY STORYTIME OVER YOU MEAN MEANIE SKELETON PERSON.

meetapossum

@dorkmuffin I was sort of sad when the new David Bowie video came out but made no appearance on the Hairpin.

fondue with cheddar

@meetapossum Right? Autostraddle posted it, at which point I thought, "I can't believe The Hairpin didn't post this!" Maybe they're saving it for later?

dorkmuffin

@fondue with cheddar, oh, you absolutely can. I just don't happen to like most of the music that falls within this designation. I like some wispy lady vocals SOMETIMES, but I find a lot of the wispy lady vocals/bloop bloop stuff to be grating and not really all that viscerally satisfying. I always get the distinct impression that these bands are trying way too hard to be cute and missing the point of making good music.

But again, personal preference.

fondue with cheddar

@dorkmuffin I know what you mean. Sometimes it's perfect for the mood though, even if it is lacking in musical depth. Soothing music doesn't necessarily have to be interesting music, especially if it's background for napping or reading, because I don't really want to be distracted by it.

rimy

Step 1: Find yourself

Step 2: Be yourself

Step 3: Be ok with that

Step 4: Stop paying attention to other people's so-called selves!

Step 5: Nirvana.

H.E. Ladypants

@rimy Step 6: ?

Step 7: Profit!

rimy

@rimy I do think that getting outside of your comfort zone is good and healthy, though. Living in a neverending isolating feedback loop might be comfy but it's also sort of masturbatory, self-congratulatory, and gross. Free your mind!

rimy

@rimy (I guess I haven't cleared step 4 yet...)

Lorelei@twitter

@rimy I agree that challenging your comfort zone is healthy! but I don't see any guarantee that my personal growth goals line up with what other people think is interesting, you know? And what it has to do with my instagram photos is a total mystery.

In fact, one of my major personal growth goals is to be less fixated on what other people think of me. Being comfortable with publicly boring the Scott Simpsons of the world is an important milestone on that path!

adorable-eggplant

@H.E. Ladypants Step 8: Science!

meetapossum

I'm surprised by how many people seem to hate the "Science!" as an exclamation. This also works with "Facts!" and "Books!" and "Knowledge!"

idk, I'm going to keep exclaiming away.

H.E. Ladypants

@meetapossum I'm probably never going to stop saying it. I also shout "Learning!"

Prostitute Robot From The Future

@meetapossum I really like it. Then again, I'm really boring.

meetapossum

@disgruntled co-worker Me, too, I guess!

"Math!" is also a frequently yelled one of mine. All three of us can just yell words at each other.

Prostitute Robot From The Future

@meetapossum I've used this one before, but it seems appropriate:

Tuna Surprise

Since we're all sorta on the topic, can I take a minute to extol the virtues of one of the better non-fictions books I've ever read?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Celine-Dions-Lets-Talk-About/dp/082642788X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362080983&sr=1-4

This book honestly changed the way I judged other people's taste. In a world of highbrow, middlebrow and lowbrow culture, highbrow can be enjoyed earnestly, lowbrow ironically, and middlebrow not at all. Like Joanna Newsom? Cool. Like One Direction? Ironic. Enjoy Norah Jones? Better not tell anyone. Bring a six pack of Victory Prima Pils? Awesome. Six pack of Schlitz? Party on. Six pack of Sam Adams? Embarrassing. It just gets to the point that constantly trying to stay ahead of the curve so that you stop liking highbrow things before they get adopted by the middlebrow and become unlikable is exhausting.

par_parenthese

@Tuna Surprise Preach. I feel like the anxious people-pleasing part of me and the rebellious FUCK Y'ALL, ALL Y'ALL part of me are locked in a match to the death for this very reason. Can't take Joanna Newsom, enjoy a Sam Adams WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEAN (hint: nothing).

RNL
RNL

How to Make Friends and Influence People With Pictures.

lucy snowe

It's strange-- seems that when I like some comments, I'm making their number drop sharply. Which is quite the opposite of my intent.

So, to olivebee, H.E. Ladypants, and Leon S, my apologies! I meant well.

Your conversation at the top of the thread helped me shake off that feeling I had of being judged and dismissed-- even though I'm not a hipster at all. I am middle-class and college educated, though I don't make enough money or work in the right fields to be yuppie. Maybe I'm an asshole.

So, yeah. I came off that article basically feeling equal parts cringey and "Shut up! YOU'RE boring. Ooooooh, you slept on a hippy's floor in Amsterdam? Boy, you really must be cool, in the most enlightened way. Please tell me how to live my life."

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