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The Vestal Virgin Septuple Braid Tutorial


"No vestal virgin portrait reveals its hairstyle in full detail," says hairdresser Janet Stephens, the host of this 17-minute (!) video about the seni crines hairstyle worn by ancient Roman brides and Vestal Virgins, but "this presentation is the first to demonstrate how a vestal virgin hairstyle was likely constructed."

Janet also has an incredible YouTube account in general.

Update: More information here ("I'm sure they had to make some workarounds occasionally for a Vestal who had less-than-adequate hair").



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MoxyCrimeFighter

For a hot second, I thought that was Melissa Joan Hart and was like, "Duh, Sabrina uses magic." And once again I was reminded how much better my life would be with point-and-shoot witch powers.

iceberg

@MoxyCrimeFighter my thoughts exactly. MJH looks good as a bored brunette though, right?

jhonsons

Thats one complicated and fancy hairstyle just to hide it under a hood. But I guess it was mainly to keep the hair tied back out of the way for a long time.@j

stuffisthings

I just had a flashback to middle school Latin class and then I died of nerdiness. And now I am dead, thanks Hairpin!

Edith Zimmerman

@stuffisthings Can I braid your hair in your coffin? If so what would you like? I am really good at braiding, IMHO.

wee_ramekin

@Edith Zimmerman (don't look now, but i don't think @stuffisthings has long enough hair to braid #i didn't want to be the one to tell you, but i did)

stuffisthings

@wee_ramekin She can try. I don't mind, being dead and all.

quamquam vivit

That is amazing! Good thing I'm not still in high school because the temptation to plagiarize this as an entry for Latin convention would have been too great.

stuffisthings

@DIES IMMORTALES!!! *ahem* you mean Latin FORUM right? /goes back to being dead

TheLetterL

Attention fellow Latin nerds: Inspired by this discussion, I just discovered old copies of the National Latin Exam are available on the NLE website. Let's watch our skills degrade in real time!

Cawendaw

@TheLetterL "Today a prince is chasing beasts in the forest. Many friends and dogs are with him. The young man and his friends [something] many deer. [something] they are [something] and they [something]."
Nope, my skills are about the same! In that I washed out of classics my first year of college.

SuperGogo

@DIES IMMORTALES!!! Two years of high school, a year of college, and all of my memory of Latin is as dead, dead, dead as the language itself (or as @stuffisthings, take your pick).

meetapossum

@DIES IMMORTALES!!! My resume still contains the fact that I gave a presentation at a Classical Association of Atlantic States conference back in...2006, I think?

Amphora

@Cawendaw "Marcus and Sextus are being taken to school. They will be taught by the teacher." I STILL overuse passive voice, ten tears later.

meetapossum

@Amphora Someone obviously had Ecce Romani!

Inconceivable!

@DIES IMMORTALES!!!
Oh man, definitely. Most of my Latin is totally gone now, but I can still remember bits of a story I wrote once, which began, "Olim erat valde deformis femina," which if I've spelled it all right should mean, "Once there was a very ugly woman."

TheLetterL

@Cawendaw Considering it's been nine years since I looked at the stuff and I was trying to sight read, I actually didn't do too badly with one of the Latin I passages. And it was magical: "The peacocks, however, snatch the feathers of the insolent hen and with their beaks chase her away with these words: 'A hen you were and are and always will be!' "

(Okay, so that was the exam's translation. Mine had the peacocks as the insolent ones...)

Blushingflwr

@meetapossum "Ecce! In pictura est puella, nomina Cornelia." 17 years later, I still remember that bit. And also with Marcus and Sextus and getting chased by wolves and yelling "Ferte Auxilium!"

meetapossum

@Blushingflwr Then they got stuck in a ditch for about seven chapters on their way to Rome. Uncle Titus has pink shoes! And then gets murdered!

The scene I remember the most is the slave running away and when Davus found him they branded "FUG" on his forehead.

Amphora

@meetapossum Geta! Poor guy, he was just sick of having to chase Sextus around. Sextus stultus erat.

I just snort-laughed at Ferte Auxilium. How could a couple of running and panicking kids have enough breath to shout all those syllables?

meetapossum

@Amphora So I googled "Sextus is a pest" and found this amazing video. God, I love Latin classes. They're always made up of crazy people who will do ridiculous things.

Blushingflwr

@Amphora My Latin teacher (who was amazing in so many ways) said that while "ferte auxilium" was a totally legit way of asking for help, there was almost certainly an abbreviated way to do that in emergencies (like when one has been treed by a wolf). I remember our entire class was pleased by this, as we all agreed that it was too many syllables.

I had TOTALLY forgotten about the ditch until now. Good times, man.

Cawendaw

@Blushingflwr Was this the book where Cornelia could hear the cries of the children stuck in the burning apartment building? Most of my classics memories are from my Greek textbook, with the lazy slave and guy at the docks who told someone to go to the crows (bal eis korakas!).

Amphora

@Cawendaw Dikaiopolis! And yes, it was... at least Reading Greek had the (severely abridged) ancient source content. What better way to start the language than with Aristophanes?

Cawendaw

@Amphora Huh! Weird, my Greek textbook was called Athenaze. Although there was also a second beginning Greek textbook that was originally written for Exeter (or some place like that) in 1930 and had a bunch of ancient source content. And there was a third beginning textbook that had a story from Aesop's fables where a kid is kept in a hut with a drawing of a lion because his father doesn't want him to be killed by lions, and he hits the picture and gets poisoned by a thorn and dies. I could have sworn the lazy slave and bal eis korakas were from Athenaze, though.
Yes, I remember 3 different beginning textbooks because I failed to learn beginning Ancient Greek three times. It stuck the third time, though! The failure, I mean. Sort of. I learned a living language instead, then picked up the ancient version of it later.

teaandcakeordeath

@All
You know when I was 15 I never thought that I would one day meet other Ecce Romani readers in an internet chat place. Life is awesome. Puella cantare horticulturm! (Or something ... )

TheLetterL

@All I feel like I missed out. Any Jenney's users in the house?

ohpioneer

Hairdressing archeologist? Hairdressing archeologist!!

Wondajules

@ohpioneer that kind of reminds me of how in high school I was convinced I would be a Music and Anthropology double major and become a Musical Anthropologist. My mom was convinced that was not a thing but if Hairdressing archeologist is a thing then Musical Anthropologist is a thing.

Miss Maszkerádi

@Wondajules IT IS A THING. The field you are looking for is called Ethnomusicology. I have a love-hate relationship with it myself, but it's a thing.

Wondajules

@Countess Maritza ha-HAH! Take that, mom! I should have stuck to my dreams...

Miss Maszkerádi

@Wondajules There are books to read, classes to audit and academic dreams waiting in the wings.... :-)

Be But Little

@ohpioneer One of my friends wears her like Julia (the wife of Augustus) quite often. But we're classicists, so I guess that's okay...

Princess Gigglyfart

i couldn't get a clear view of that tengwar tattoo and it was frustrating.

Exene

When I was little, my cousin told me that a "virgin" was a woman with a piece of cloth draped over her head. It took me years to figure out the truth, but watching this video, maybe I should give her more credit?

PS She also told me that an "Ethiopian" was "someone so skinny they have to sit down like this." [clasps arms around knees]

Tammy Pajamas

I just forwarded this to my brother, who works at the Getty Villa. I'm secretly hoping they start doing hair shows now.

Valley Girl

@Tammy Pajamas The Getty Villa is my favorite place in the world!!! I am insanely jealous of your brother's occupation.

wee_ramekin

Oh sweet Saturn's beard! The Wikipedia article on Vestal Virigins is so interesting. Did you know that they were pledged to the temple of Vesta for 30 years, during which time they had to pledge chastity? Did you know that they had rights that were not normally accorded to other women (they could own property, testify, pardon those condemned to die)?

The only thing that sucked was that, once their 30 years were up, they were married off at the behest of the Pontifex Maximus, usually for political gain. So...womp womp, patriarchy.

Okay, but seriously? I need Sarah Waters to get on this shit and write me a lesbian historical novel featuring Vestal Virgins and their suppressed passions behind temple walls. #yessssssssss

Megasus

@wee_ramekin And then HBO turns it into a TV show!

professionalmess

@wee_ramekin And if they broke their vow of chastity they were buried alive! (Also usually for political purposes, not actual vow-breaking).

I wrote a paper on virginity and marriage last semester and was so into the vestals, even though it wasn't that relevant to my paper.

meetapossum

@wee_ramekin Or if you're raped by Mars during that time, you're just imprisoned and your children are raise by a she-wolf and go one to found Rome.

wee_ramekin

@meetapossum @professionalmess Maybe I need to add a few "womps" to my previous statement. A-like so:

womp womp womp womp wooooooooooooooooooooooooooomp patriarchy X(

Cawendaw

@professionalmess I do remember reading a novel about a Vestal Virgin being buried alive (and being reincarnated later) but it was so terrible I never finished it.

meetapossum

@meetapossum Holy typos. Let me try that again:
Or if you're raped by Mars during that time, you're just imprisoned and your children are raised by a she-wolf and go on to found Rome.

Cawendaw

@meetapossum Well, one of them founds Rome, after killing the other.

wee_ramekin

@Cawendaw womp womp fratricide

meetapossum

@Cawendaw Sic deinde quicumque alius transiliet moenia mea.

Lucienne

@Cawendaw I keep hoping for a Vestal Virgin to show up in the Falco novels, but I guess they are a little bit beyond his paygrade. (But I'm not very far into the series, so maybe I'm being premature.)

SarcasticFringehead

@Lucienne Everything I know about Vestal Virgins I learned from Colleen McCullough.

wee_ramekin

@all YOU GUYYYYYYYYYYYS!

I found a book called Vestal Virgin on Amazon, and it has pretty good reviews! Whoooooooooo wants to buy it and find out?

meetapossum

@wee_ramekin "Don't mistake this for a Christian novel just because it mentions Jesus and the Apostle Paul. This book is scriptually inaccuate and sexually explicit. I only finished it so I could rightfully review it and warn others away from it."

Yes, Janey, I'm sure that's the only reason why you finished it.

Non-anonymous

@Lucienne You are indeed being premature. Keep reading! The Falco novels are great.

Blushingflwr

@meetapossum When I was in Rome, I loved how often that image was repeated. Also, I love that "lupa" (she-wolf) is also slang for "whore".

bocadelperro

@wee_ramekin $3.99 kindle version? I'm so there. Thanks!

wee_ramekin

@bocadelperro Hee! Come back to this thread and tell us how it is when you have finished it! I get e-mail updates when someone responds on a thread that I am a part of, so I will see your update even if it's weeks/months from now.

bocadelperro

@wee_ramekin I totally will, but first I have to finish the latest Hangman's Daughter book.

Be But Little

@wee_ramekin You also got to vote and sit across from the emperor at the Flavian amphitheater. Optime!

bocadelperro

@wee_ramekin Here's a bit of a review, per your request:

So I read about half of this book while waiting for a flu shot this morning, and it is really weird. It's an absorbing read, but I can't really figure out where it's going. Also, it manages to juxtapose discussions of Christianity and conversion, (including a scene where the main character, a Vestal Virgin, meets St. Paul) with fairly graphic and rapey sex scenes invovling 14 year old girls (and bondage. And the Emperor Nero). It does this while being well-enough written that I can't make fun of it/enjoy it in an ironic/trashy way.

So I guess if you're into bondage and Paulism, this is the book for you?

wee_ramekin

@bocadelperro Thank you so much for getting back to me/us!

Hmmmm. In your opinion, should I should, or should I shouldn't....get this book from the library?

It sounds like it could be interesting!

bocadelperro

@wee_ramekin I mean, totally get it from the library, just be prepared for rapey sex scenes AND discussions of conversion to Christianity, without a single drop of camp.

Megasus

OMG this is the most perfect thing.

Homestar Runner

I'm home sick today, and this was incredibly soothing and engrossing for my fevered brain. Also, is anyone else reminded of The Hunger Games when Katniss's mom gives her that crazy braided updo and everyone is like "omg she is amazing, I hope roving packs of teens don't murder her!" Miracle hair.

lasso tabasco

NOW somebody teach us how to do sweet Gone With the Wind era hairstyles!

Mad as a Hatter!

@lasso tabasco I myself am dying for some sweet Downton Abbey hair!

Lucienne

@lasso tabasco Scarlett describes one pretty fully, doesn't she? It has three buns and kind of a dumb name? I'm still trying to master the ear-covering low chignon that Olivia de Havilland wears throughout the movie.

lasso tabasco

@Mad as a Hatter! @Lucienne This needs to be made into some kind of Historical Hair series.

Princess Gigglyfart

@Mad as a Hatter! ME TOO

meetapossum

This is seriously so cool. I want the hair of Faustina the Younger!

Valley Girl

Oh HBO's Rome, how I miss you, let me count the ways...I see 7 right here!

MrsLlama

OMG this is so up my alley you have no idear. DAY = MADE.

Miss Maszkerádi

I have short hair...... *whimper*....... :-(

Pocket Witch

I know what I'm doing in my spare time now...

Time Platypus

Can we please have an Interview With A Vestal Virgin?

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