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Monday, January 14, 2013

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Takeoff omg

If you've ever wondered why airports make you go through x-rays to prove you're not concealing weapons but then only request you to turn off your mobile device (the implication being that turned-on phones can interfere with or otherwise crash the plane/it's all your fault) — and if you've ever been frustrated by how this in turn essentially implies that some group of air travel elders thinks we're too stupid to notice or mind that some theoretically crucial safety rules are mandatory while others are voluntary ("all day, every day") — here's a video that won't really fix anything but might give you something interesting (?) to talk about the next time you're flying beside an attractive stranger.

Plus I think it's that gray zone of murky reasoning more than people being "wedded to their devices" that makes them go a little nuts about it sometimes.

Nick Bilton looked into the issue a year or so ago for the Times (so did Jad Mouawad), and Digitizd's David Pierce addressed the paying-attention-during-takeoff-and-landing thing a few months before that.



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Nicole Cliffe

I put mine on airplane mode and put it in the seatback pocket, except when they explicitly say "and airplane mode does not count." Even though it obviously never counts.

gobblegirl

@Nicole Cliffe Why wouldn't it count? They always talk about devices that "send or receive signals" in the same message as the cell phone reminder. Airplane mode disables your phone's ability to send and receive signals.

nonvolleyball

@gobblegirl true story: my former boss didn't know how to fully power off her iPhone, & thus traveled on probably a dozen airplanes with it just in sleep mode.

...& everyone DIIIIIED oh wait no everyone was fine. except she felt really stupid for having left her iPhone continuously on for like two years.

SarahP

@Nicole Cliffe They say that?! I have never heard them say that and thought I was being such a good citizen for turning on airplane mode well before they even mention electronics.

Blushingflwr

@gobblegirl But it isn't just those. You have to turn off ipods and Kindles and all those things too. Which is why I always make sure to have a book or magazine or something. (I have crocheted through the take-off sequence of the last several flights have taken.) I mean, I understand the "listening" argument, but given the number of people who read or talk through the whole safety presentation, I don't think it actually holds much water.

gobblegirl

@Blushingflwr Interesting to hear that you can't have ebooks on planes - it must be an American thing. Except during landing and takeoff (possibly), those are allowed in Canada as far as I remember. (I haven't flown for a couple of weeks, but they were cool with my laptop then).

Blushingflwr

@gobblegirl Let me clarify - you can have ebooks (and ipods and other things) during the flight, just not during take-off/landing. But they tell you that you have to turn off "anything with an on/off switch", not just devices that can transmit. And I've heard the "airplane mode doesn't count" thing when they're talking about take-off/landing, not for the whole flight.

Hammitt

@nonvolleyball I did that too. And then got in an argument with someone where I INSISTED that there WAS no way to turn an iphone off.

Jill_Tata

I don't own a cellphone so I don't really have any say in this@k

Emby

I'm usually pretty laissez-faire about The Man's bullshit rules, but I will side-eye the fuck out of you if I see you not turning your phone off before the flight.

I have no idea why. But that invokes my evil eye like nothing else.

emilies

@Emby Probably something to do with the person's actions' potential to kill you. Even though it really has no potential. But I'm one hundred times more superstitious when on a plane.

@Emby YES THIS. There was a woman on a flight over the holidays who made me want to set something on fire. She took up a ton of room reading the newspaper (newspaper in the aisles, etc), coughed without covering her mouth, and didn't turn off her phone.

You know what? I doubt one phone could bring down an airplane. But if everyone did it, it might not be awesome. But if everyone had their phone on, it might be a problem. So why does that one lady think she should be allowed to keep her stupid phone on when everyone else has to turn them off?

The "but it's just one phone" argument doesn't work, because you know multiple people think they're the only ones.

Blushingflwr

@Emby In my case, it's a combination of violating the social contract, and of sort of flaunting it. It's like how I always hate people who eat on Metro, but I REALLY hate them when I'm hungry. You're doing something that you're not supposed to do, and I am being virtuous, which means that you are having fun while I have to listen to the whiny kids behind me talk about de-icing fluid.

@Blushingflwr This exactly.

Emby

@Blushingflwr Yup, that is exactly correct.

SarahDances

I will happily turn off my phone, because it's not like I'm going to be making any calls during the flight or anything, but I will completely ignore any requests to turn off my kindle. I will flip the cover closed when a flight attendant walks by, and that's about it.

Nicole Cliffe

Same, re: Kindle.

Ophelia

@Nicole Cliffe We actually asked a flight attendant if a Nook counted as an electronic device, and her answer was basically, "eh, not really. go for it."

Elsajeni

@SarahDances This is basically what I do with my noise-cancelling headphones -- I tilt my head so that the little "on" light isn't visible. (Also, it is ludicrous to ask me to switch off my noise-cancelling headphones, which are not even plugged into a music player or anything.)

Reginal T. Squirge

If it were really that important, wouldn't they have a better system for making sure you phone is off than the old parental standby of "I better not catch you with that phone on!"?

jule_b_sorry

@Reginal T. Squirge Exactly. I feel that, if it REALLY had a potential to crash the plane, there would be a much stricter procedure - like, phones confiscated and stored during the flight or something. Since when does the TSA have a problem with imposing rules like that?

redheaded&crazy

My understanding was that it's basically just worse for your phone if you don't turn it off since it will try to connect to all the different roaming networks you fly over, and drain the battery/rack up roaming charges.

Note: I did not watch the above video.

redheaded&crazy

My airplane pet peeve is when the flight attendant wakes me up to tell me that I can't have ear buds in while taking off. So arbitrary. (As in, so arbitrarily enforced, I miraculously managed to fall asleep and was hoping to sleep through take off/as much of the flight as possible but no chance of that now THANKS)

OneTooManySpoons

@redheaded&crazie I also haaaate not being able to listen to headphones during takeoff, because I always fall asleep about .12 seconds after takeoff, and I want my headphones in, because otherwise I'm woken up by the little kid behind me ten minutes later, and ugh.

HOWEVER, to stick up for airlines, there is actually a reason you can't listen to music during takeoff/landing - because in the event of a problem (which is most likely during these times), they don't want you playing music so loudly that you can't hear their instructions. Of course, I'm asleep anyway, but I guess there's nothing they can do to stop that. And I can usually (usually!) hear the announcements and wake up if I'm sleeping.

Anyway, my point is, I hate it on a personal level, but I accept it because I actually understand the logic behind it.

vunder

I feel bad for the flight attendants who are required by law to hawk this bs.

area@twitter

@vunder That's why I do it. Yeah, it's a stupid rule, and the flight attendant probably agrees, but it's something they're required to enforce- so I do it to make it easier on them. For what it's worth, I try to apply the same rule to TSA agents (violations of Federal screening guidelines do not apply).

jule_b_sorry

@vunder Yeah, but I also kind of wish they would push back a bit for the sake of sanity, since they see firsthand that cellphone use is rampant and yet has not yet caused any problems that we know of. Instead, I have seen a few take a sort of gleeful approach, seeming to genuinely enjoy enforcing this tiny sliver of authority over something really dumb, literally shaking shame fingers at passengers (as if air travel isn't humiliating enough, what with the TSA and all). WHY CAN'T I READ MY IPAD EBOOK ON AIRPLANE MODE DURING TAKEOFF? Ugh.

vunder

@jule_b_sorry Yeah. I do think the environment of flying has just gotten so awful for everyone and the whole job that used to be being kind and helpful has turned into being a bossy nag. Some handle it better than others for sure.

area@twitter

@jule_b_sorry Yeah, if someone was a dick about it, I'd be much less inclined to be a good citizen. I feel you on people getting drunk on authority. I've seen it more frequently in TSA agents- haven't seen it in a flight attendant yet. (Though I fly Southwest the vast majority of the time. Their crew tends to have a more pleasant attitude in general, I think.)

Lesliepop

@area@twitter So true! It's like all the other airlines put something in the flight attendants food or something. THey look miserable over at Delta and American. I think job satisfaction is rated higher at SWA than other airlines in a recent survey. Also is it possible that since SWA mainly flies shorter hops, with very few crosscountry flights and no international travel that the flight attendants are less sleep deprived?

formergr

@Lesliepop A lot of the United, American, and Delta flight attendants are "legacy" FAs, from back in the day who've earned a ton of seniority (better routes, etc) and the airline equivalent of tenure, but have slowly had all the good benefits of being a flight attendant chipped away from them. They get worse pay, worse routes, worse hours than they expected to have by now, and retirement benefits are also crap. So I think their attitude (though there are plenty who are still nice!) comes from that place. And I think SWA has a different system of seniority and incentivizes customer service in a much different way...

area@twitter

I do it just to be a good citizen and reduce the likelihood I have to be confronted by an exhausted flight attendant. It's probably a dumb rule, yeah, but I'd rather deal with no electronics for 15 minutes than argue about it with someone.

Is this a place where I can talk about the awful creeper I was seated next to on Friday? Ugh. Talked throughout the entire flight, poked me to share his witty insights about (1) how could I ever do Sudoku, it was so hard and (2) I was filling in the squares wrong, then sneered at me when I put in my headphones and tuned out everything but direct questions (which I answered with polite disinterest). He constantly invaded the personal space of the lady sitting on the aisle seat and was just generally a Godawful excuse for a human being. I hope he steps in something foul.

par_parenthese

@area@twitter 1st paragraph: yes, absolutely. Flight attendants have a hard job a lot of the time, and I don't want to be that person who makes that leg of their flight a nightmare.

2nd paragraph: gave me hives. Planes! Hooray! You literally cannot get away from that smelly/pushy/bitchy/loud/rude person for HOURS OHHHHH GAAAAAAAAAAAH.

area@twitter

@par_parenthese Dude was an utter toolbox. Made my skin crawl, in that "I'd grope you if I thought I could get away with it" way. When he dropped his unopened beer can on the ground, he told me- did not ask me- to get it exchanged for a fresh one by a flight attendant. I politely said that I would try to flag one down for him if I could. All the while imagining how he would look covered in FIRE.

TARDIStime

@area@twitter to be clear, I am thumbs-upping the bit about imagining this douche covered in FIRE, not the other stuff, that shit's a thumbs-down burn-a-thon.

area@twitter

@TARDIStime FIRE always deserves a thumbs-up, amirite?

gobblegirl

Ever since they landed that plane in the Hudson, I pay so much attention to the safety demonstration. It's not fake! Your airplane could crash and if you know where you know where the closest emergency exit is you could be totally fine!

Verity

@gobblegirl I watched a programme about a plane crash (the Kegworth disaster) the evening before flying home from Iceland. I paid lots of attention to the safety information. (Always count the rows to the exits! There might be too much smoke to see, but if you crawl along and count the rows as you pass them, you'll know where you are and be able to get out.)

Verity

@Verity I also learnt that the wing is the most stable part and the least likely to break in a crash, so you should sit as near to it as possible (but then get out as fast as you can, away from the engines).

Mira

@Verity And always wear shoes you can run in!

Clarence Rosario

Last cross-country round trip I was on, not only were there blatant flaunts of the turn-off-electronics-rule, but also the carry on rule. Folks boarding 5 minutes before departure with 3 carry ons each were AMAZED that there was no room in the overheads. Two passengers tried unsuccessfully to stuff one under the seat, and just hugged the large backpacks in their laps. Never seen it pulled off, but the flight attendants didn't bug them. It felt like the bus in Romancing The Stone.

As someone who's been yelled at to turn off noise cancelling headphones and push the strap of my laptop bag completely under the seat in front of me, I was astounded that they let the plane push back.

If these rules really were critical to passenger safety, I can't imagine they'd leave them in the hands of passengers, who will always choose convenience over safety.

Ophelia

@Clarence Rosario Is this the plane to Cartagena?

gobblegirl

@Clarence Rosario I have never seen anyone have their carryon bags measured, which is such bullshit. People bringing on rolling suitcases that are CLEARLY too big for the little measuring cage, and then I can't find room for my rule-observing backpack. I wish attendants would enforce that rule.

Clarence Rosario

@Ophelia THE Joan Wilder????

par_parenthese

@gobblegirl Meeeee tooooooooo. I just traveled over the holidays and would have spent my entire return flight fuming at tightwads who won't shell out twenty bucks to let someone ELSE worry about their bag instead of trying to put a CLEARLY-way-too-big suitcase in an overcrowded overhead bin, but then I sat next to a really sweet and sort of frazzled lady with the cutest little boy who cooed and pulled on my scarf and giggled and showed me his toy car and then fell asleep for two hours. But other than that THOSE PEOPLE AUGH.

Clarence Rosario

@gobblegirl Ugh, reminds me of the time I was forced to check my FAA-approved carry on, based on the gate agent eyeballing it, at the gate while some schmuck got a steamer trunk on board.

BTW, I left a Kindle in the seat pocket a couple of years ago after being yelled at to turn it off for landing. So, if anyone found one, it's mine.

OneTooManySpoons

@Clarence Rosario I'm also astounded that they were allowed to do that! Because the thing is, those rules (having all bags put away; not wearing things that affect your hearing during takeoff/landing) actually DO put passenger safety at risk. The issue isn't that they will make the plane crash, but that that will hinder efforts to keep passengers safe/exit the plane in the event of a problem.

As a passenger, I'd be pissed if I saw people hugging their large suitcases during takeoff, and not only because I hate people who assume rules don't apply to them. If something happened and caused that suitcase to go flying at my head? Yikes.

Clarence Rosario

@OneTooManySpoons Precisely. If I were in the window seat (they were middle and aisle) I would have been ringing the shit out of my Flight Attendant Call Button. Or calmly informing the pair of where exactly I planned to plant my feet on them (forehead/shoulder/groin) as I scrambled over them in the event of an emergency.

schrodingers_cat

@gobblegirl I fell in love with the gate attendants on one trip I took that made everyone measure their bag in the little thing before getting on the plane. If it didn't fit, they gate-checked it. There was so much room in the overhead bins when I got on.

SarcasticFringehead

@gobblegirl It used to be that my only reward for only having a small backpack on the plane was smugness (well, and not having to get it out at the end, I guess), but when we flew over the holidays on Alaska, they let anyone not using the overhead bins board early. So that was pretty cool.

Filthyknitter

@gobblegirl You are clearly flying on much classier airlines than me! On Ryanair and lots of UK-based budget carriers, they're OBSESSED with measuring carrying luggage and then charging you a gzillion quid for it if it goes over their somewhat arbitrary limits. What annoys me the most is that airlines can't get their shit together and agree on standard cabin-size luggage dimensions that apply to ALL flights - it's v frustrating that carrying baggage on one line has to be hold baggage on another. Also: I too would never completely turn my Kindle off on takeoff or landing - that is ridiculous - I just put the cover over it and try to look law-abiding.

Clarence Rosario

BTW, here's a good followup from Bilton in December: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/f-a-a-rules-make-electronic-devices-on-planes-dangerous/?smid=tw-share

jule_b_sorry

Ugh I just haaaate it because if I want to read a book, it's NBD (so, I don't buy the "turn off devices so you're paying attention" explanation). But if I want to read an ebook, the introduction of technology somehow makes it so I can only read my book on 70% of the trip (if I'm LUCKY - I had one plane arbitrarily inform all seated passengers that ereaders were expressly not permitted on the flight, which seemed like an insane interpretation of the "no electronics" rule).

Pilots use iPads IN THE COCKPIT. And cellular telephones have been around for what, twenty years now? And yet there are no reports of a plane falling out of the sky due to a rule-breaking iPhone user (which we ALL KNOW exist). If the controls are so delicate that a completely ubiquitous, 20-year-old piece of technology is considered dangerous, why haven't they figured out how to get around this yet?

I know I'm one of those obnoxious, "I don't want to obey a rule unless I understand its purpose"-people, but those of you giving people the hard side eye for not immediately shoving the phone away because SAFETY...why are you mad about someone's non-adherence to an arbitrary rule that obviously needs examination? I PROMISE, the person next to you trying to get in one last email before takeoff will not crash your plane. PROMISE.

Mira

@jule_b_sorry iPads in the cockpit are a) specially restrained so they won't come loose during a sudden deceleration and hit someone in the head at 250 miles an hour and b) in permanent "airplane" mode since they do nothing but store the flight books that diagram runway approaches and so on. They're not for, like, playing Angry Birds.

My dad is a pilot for one of the major U.S. airlines and people who refuse to follow the rules about phones drive me up the fucking wall. Just turn the damn thing off and put it away for a couple of hours, it isn't going to kill you!

Basically phones are not allowed because there's no way the FAA could test every model of available cell phone in every type of plane under every flight condition and guarantee that the electronics won't interfere with the plane's avionics systems. Is it likely? No. But it's possible, because we don't know that it isn't. That's why they aren't allowed.

p.s. sorry jule_b_sorry, that was not meant as a rant at you specifically! This is one of the few things that seriously makes me crazy.

Clarence Rosario

@Mira Basically phones are not allowed because there's no way the FAA could test every model of available cell phone in every type of plane under every flight condition and guarantee that the electronics won't interfere with the plane's avionics systems.

See, that's what I just don't buy. If it was even a remote possibility, the FAA and airlines would require that you check all cell phones before boarding the plane, period. They wouldn't leave something so critical in the hands of 170+ unsupervised passengers at 35K feet.

Mira

@Clarence Rosario Of course it's a remote (very remote!) possibility. It's just that the tiny, tiny likelihood of it happening is outweighed by the certain expense and time involved in getting hundreds of angry fliers to turn over their cell phones. (Not to mention lithium-ion batteries aren't meant to go in cargo holds of airplanes because of the risk of spontaneous combustion.) I mean, can you imagine what a mess it would be if your airline lost your phone?

As in any other situation involving very complicated machines and lots and lots of people, there are cost-benefit analyses made about people's safety. This one is not a big deal if people just follow directions. And so far, even when they don't follow directions it hasn't been a big deal. I just don't really get why so many people get so upset about turning off their phones. It doesn't cost anything and it removes one source of potential danger (even at a very remote possibility!) for everyone on board, so why not just do it?

Clarence Rosario

@Mira Because if there actually existed the (remote) possibility that forgetting to turn of your cell phone would bring down a plane, would you fly again? Would you trust your fellow passengers to comply -- voluntarily or not -- with something so critical to your safety? Forget about logistics, how about liability? An airline letting passengers decide whether or not to put the entire flight in "potential danger"?

There's a remote possibility of a passenger having a bomb in their shoe. That doesn't prevent the TSA from requiring passengers to take off their shoes before they board. If the TSA and the industry can figure out how to make sure no one gets through security with a bottle of water, I'm sure they can find a way to keep people from bringing cell phones on planes.

Unless cell phones are, in fact, less dangerous to air travel than a shoe or a bottle of water.

Clarence Rosario

Oh, and honestly, I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I always comply with the instruction to power off devices, and judge the Hell out of people who don't. To me, this isn't an issue of entitlement or addiction to devices. Listen to the damn flight crew, arbitrary rule or otherwise!

I'm just truly unable to wrap my head around a world where the airline industry would let the flying public fly with the apparent equivalent of a time bomb where the passenger actually has a finger on the trigger. That simply does not add up to me. If there was a real danger, more preventative measures would have emerged than a stern glance from a flight attendant.

Mira

@Clarence Rosario I'm not trying to pick a fight, either, I promise. RF interference isn't like a time bomb though - it's not like your iPhone is going to suddenly short out the plane's electronics system, plunging you into free-fall. What it can do is affect sensors, in ways that are probably both barely noticeable and meaningless in 99.9999999% of situations. But when your pilot is trying to execute a go-around in fog so dense he can't see the runway from 50 feet (something my father has done only twice in a 30-year career, that's how rare that sort of thing is!), that's when it's really important that the altimeter is doing its job correctly, and not being interfered with by someone who's convinced the rules don't apply to him. So nearly all of the time it doesn't matter, and when it does, the assumption is that people will follow the rules, as they're legally required to do.

Even then, it probably would be okay if they didn't. Airplanes are very safe machines and it takes an awful lot of things going wrong at once before you would even get to a point where someone being a jerk about PED use would be a Serious Issue. Given that, the cost/benefit of making people turn over their phones, laptops, Kindles, iPads, etc. before boarding a flight (which most of them wouldn't do anyway! I mean, look how angry they are about just turning them off, could you imagine?) just tilts toward the system we have currently. It seems to work, so far.

I have also accidentally left my phone on during a flight. We didn't crash, obviously, but I felt like an asshole when I noticed it later. Why take the risk, you know?

Anyway, these kinds of videos make me nuts because they're almost never accurate, but the conversation is interesting!

TARDIStime

@Mira re: the cost benefit analysis
Why not lobby the Government to introduce a law about phones on in aeroplanes? Anyone with their phone on gets an on-the-spot fine of $200 or something.
I think this a) won't cost the airline anything, b) would be a pretty strong deterrent, I would think.

MilesofMountains

I sometimes work at a location that has chartered flights in and out for all staff and is absolutely hardcore when it comes to developing a 'safety culture' and not only will every employee on that plane pay close attention to the safety demo, if anyone doesn't their seatmates will interrupt them to request that they do. I can't imagine how they'd react if you turned on your phone.

Ophelia

@MilesofMountains Yeah. I might be kind of lax about paying attention to the security demo when I'm flying to Florida, but when I'm going to have to land in Nigeria or something? I am Paying Attention.

courtneyrachel

I am admittedly a nervous flier and will listen to all rules / instructions given to me by flight attendants. That said - I don't understand what the big fuss is about. Spend a few hours doing whatever you used to do 3-5 years ago - speak to other people FACE TO FACE (horrifying, I know), read a real life paper book(I get that it might be heavy - but a nice library book has that awesome musty smell that no kindle can re-create!), eat a sandwich, knit, do a crossword puzzle, take a nap. Are we really so socially deficient that we can't spend a few hours away from screens? And last I checked, the FAA is focusing on more important things like, oh, developing technology to keep terrorists from crashing planes. In my book, way more important than determining whether or not 300 people can go on Facebook en route.

gobblegirl

@courtneyrachel The issue is being told obvious lies. I follow the rule as well, but it bothers me that the justification they give for the rule is so incredibly flimsy. Either make it arbitrary, or give a real reason.

jule_b_sorry

@courtneyrachel I like reading ebooks. On my ipad. I'd like to do so without the thickly-layered condescension and judgement, please (and I'd also much prefer the person seated 2 inches from me read an ipad rather than eat a sandwich).

I'd also like airlines to be straight with us about the actual risks, b/c I'm an adult, not a child.

Blushingflwr

@courtneyrachel I see your point, but since I prefer to travel with my Kindle, the rule means that I have to take something to read specifically for the plane (meaning I am adding volume to my carry-on). Often I just flip through SkyMall or crochet during this time (though reading these comments it occurs to me that having yarn out isn't necessarily helpful in the case of an evacuation) until they let me turn my devices back on. If I'm going to be gone for a week, I may finish several books/magazines during that time, and I would rather take them all in digital form to reduce the weight. Also, in the small space of an airplane seat, my Kindle is much nicer than a hardcover library book - not only is it lighter, it takes up less space, lays flat and is just all around easier to handle.
And on top of that - while I normally fly fine, sometimes I get panic attacks on planes. And while I have a prescription for Xanax and keep it handy, there are other ways I have of avoiding them that don't require (foul-tasting) controlled substances. One of those is listening to music.

I don't mind having my phone off, but I do resent not being able to listen to music when I'm sandwiched between two broad-shoulder dudes and leaning forward to avoid having to touch them.

courtneyrachel

@jule_b_sorry Do you want to be on the test flight to see whether 300 people on their iPads / iPhones / Kindles will bring down a plane? I'd rather be safe than sorry. If there was no merit at all behind the policy, it wouldn't be a policy. The guy in that video with zero engineering or aviation background doesn't really make me feel any safer about leaving a phone on.

RosemaryF

I sat next to a pilot deadheading (flying back home) one time, and he shared all sorts of industry specific secrets and complaints. He saw me not turn off my reader & said, "No one cares, we don't turn off our phones in the cockpit."

I told him about the exciting world of being a librarian and the joy of throwing away books.

Obviously, I was more entertained than him.

ohmy

I actually once accidentally left my phone on. It was buried in my bag and I was very tired, so it slipped my mind. Our plane didn't crash.

Also, a friend's brother is a pilot and she has called him in the middle of a flight because he also forgot to turn it off. It's really just better to turn it off because of roaming, but if a pilot can forget, so can I.

TheSkyGirl

Aurgh! As a flight attendant, this is the issue that annoys me the MOST. And I am not one of those power-tripping flight attendants when it comes to electronic devices. I am very pleasant about it and am only rude if you are rude about it first (ie, still not turning it off after the THIRD time I've asked you). But the fact of the matter is, the rule exists and until the FAA says, "Okay, hey, you can keep your EDs on" my job is to tell you to turn yours off. Please do not argue with me. Please do not tell me "Oh, it is off" when I can clearly see the screen is still illuminated through your SHIRT POCKET, sir.

And videos and articles like these get on my nerves because people read/watch them and then come on the plane and want to argue with me. And honestly? I have zero influence in changing the rules. ZERO. If it is something about which you are passionate, take it up with the FAA. Please don't argue with me because something you would know if you paid attention to the safety presentation is that the FAA also mandates that you "obey all posted placards, lighted information signs and CREW INSTRUCTIONS." I am crew and I am instructing you to turn off your device. End of story.

@TheSkyGirl Sometimes I wish you could implement Sky Law, as it is described in '30 Rock.;' And by "you," I mean you and every one of your colleagues. You are awesome.

area@twitter

@TheSkyGirl And that's why I always do it. (And honestly, it's the only reason I always do it. C'mon, FAA! Fix that rule!)

jule_b_sorry

@TheSkyGirl Ok, but seriously - why do approx 60% of flight attendants say ereaders (nooks, kindles) are ok, and then 40% insist they be turned off? It's frustrating b/c there's clearly not a consistent policy being enforced, and when they tell me "IT'S THE RULE!" I can't help but feel the instruction may be arbitrary. It makes it difficult to plan your travel not knowing if the flight attendant is cool, or will make you leave it off for the entire trip (has happened to me).

Lumpy Space Princess

Thanks for the informational video, Edith! I gotta say, I love these kinds of videos. One that I watched and loved recently is this one,

"Are Bronies Changing the Definition of Masculinity?"
plus... I think the dude in the video is pretty cute.

klemay

Anyone else immature enough to snicker at d-news?

Only1smarthere

*shakes head* Nope.

One fact is disagreeing at anything doesn't mean your disagreeing changes a fact. Electronic devices do mess with other electronic devices. You can make more petitions all you want on the whitehouse website, but you are an imbecile.
You want to see how cellphone jack with a device. Take your cell phone to a smoke shop... As I do know you smoke weed, because you think your correct without even thinking. Tell them you want to buy a electronic scale. Do not tell them about your cell phone.
Take the electric scale and have your buddy call you while you try to weigh your phone. Once your phone rings and the scale starts to frits in the display of the electric scale -- The clerk will just say you bought that scale, as you broke it. Just stand their gaping like the fool you are. But take notice the electric scale is still broke.

After spending 30 dollars on a broken electric scale... That your cell phone broke. Because your a dumbf##k, wanna be know it all...

The senate isn't addressing this... The FDA(Federal drug association) Doesn't really care about it, but they too wouldn't mind being able to keep their stuff on. I do not believe it is in their jurisdiction, however. Unless cell phones and devices are relative to pills ?? IDIOT.

To be honest I don't even know why I bother correcting that video or this idiotic blog posty some dumbass wrote. Oh wait, I know why... Cause its funny.

So sit back reflect of how fking stupid you fks r... AND FOLLOW YOUR OWN MOTTO be less stupid.

Thank you so much for your idiotcy... You have completly made my day of laughing at you. Please make more videos. I have a private -- Biggest idiots of the net award. This kinda tops it.

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@Only1smarthere ...This video wasn't produced by this website? And this isn't The Awl, so your "Be Less Stupid" jab doesn't really even work. I mean you could at least work up an actual "Biggest idiots of the net" award in MSPaint.

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