We haven't been publicly following the third season of Downton Abbey as it airs in the US, but in case anyone wants to discuss the most recent episode ... it wasn't cheery!
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Almost "Walking Dead" level of gut-punch to the audience. WHY DO YOU HATE YOUR FANS SO?!?!?!?
*awaits more comments to see if it's the episode I think it is before ruining everything for everyone*
@rayray I'm in the UK and so have seen all this series. I keep trying not to respond to facebook messages in case I'm wrong about what was shown!
@Hammitt Well now it's clear which one it is, I'm too late to say that at the beginning of the series I was all like 'I'm so Lady Sybil, I moved to Ireland for love and am a big feminist' but then... oh. (and my boyf is much less whiny)
I know she wanted to leave the show, but why did they have to do it in a way that makes me want to punch half of the cast?
Also, I unambigiously like Edith now and I'm not sure how to feel about this.
@RK Fire TEAM EDITH 4 LYFE
@RK Fire Same. Edith has gotten better and better and between getting jilted and her reaction to this, I kind of like her. Please, please let me keep liking her. I'm going to feel stupid if she does something awful 3 episodes from now.
@RK Fire Like twice now after tragedies Edith has been like "Mary, we're friends now, right? We're done being awful bitches to each other?" and Mary says "Well, no, but let's take this moment to love each other as non-bitches."
WTF MARY. GROW UP.
@phipsi This was my favourite part of the episode. I think this is the second time this season where Edith has asked Mary if they're done being awful to one another and Mary basically says "Bish, plz."
@phipsi Hahaha, yeah. Mary: "Be nice to each other? Unlikely."
However, Michelle Dockery played Susan in the live action version of Hogfather, so I can't really hate her either.
@RK Fire Edith is great. We should call her.
@BosomBuddy Yep. Between that and the whole husband-you're-not-allowed-to-question-my-father-even-though-your-money-just-saved-Downton-again-after-he-ran-it-into-the-ground-for-the-second-time thing, Lady Mary's redemptive phase is over and she's back to being a class A b--.
@BosomBuddy Yep. Edith = capable of growth. Mary = awful.
@anachronistique OMG! I thought I was the only person on Earth who loved Edith! I've always thought Edith was the most interesting Crawley sister, she actually has a character arc!
Mary's voice when she realized Sybil wasn't breathing and she was trying to hold it together but get help broke me.
Apparently on set it became a joke to refer to Edith always as 'Poor Edith', which is so sad because Edith is lovely. But yes. Poor Edith.
@teaandcakeordeath I thought I didn't like Edith. After re-watching Season 1 and realizing what a bitch Mary is to her (making fun of her for not being able to get The Mens, making fun of her fashion sense, etc.) I changed my mind. Edith is just *reacting* to Mary's terribleness, even if that means, you know, writing a questionable letter to the Turkish Embassy.
And also, Lord and Lady Grantham at one point discuss Edith taking care of them in their old age, and Lord Grantham says, "What a ghastly prospect." Maybe if they were nicer to her, she's return the favor in kind? What gives?
As a middle child with a sister who can act like Mary, I have to say I identify strongly with Edith's character! Edith FTW!
@rallisaurus I'm all cranky that there are no TEAM EDITH shirts on the PBS website.
@BoozinSusan I feel like the show has always had the Season 1 characters (viciously mean to each other, all of them, with rare exceptions) and the Season 2+ characters (so busy all being redeemed all of the time that the "conflicts" wind up seeming more and more far-fetched). I mean, "I'm inheriting a bunch of money but I can't use it to help save the homes & livelihoods of a couple hundred people because a while ago I was confused about matters of the heart" was really stretching my patience.
@ThatWench Yeah, that "conflict" for Matthew was far from believable. I think even Dan Stevens had a hard time pretending it was a Thing.
@RK Fire I never understood Edith haters??? She's my fave! So pretty!
@RK Fire Also, I have no beef with the Sybil character, but the actresses's Lohan-esque rasp drove me nuts!!! Glad she's dead, dead, dead!
Missed the episode, but made the mistake of going on Twitter right after it aired. Actually howled "NOOOOOOOOOO" when someone posted about it, scaring the bejesus out of the baby on my lap. RIP D:
Full on ugly cried. I knew she was working her way out of the show with the whole Ireland move, but why not let her live on and maybe come back for a special every now and then? UGGGGGH, my heart. It's been ripped out of my chest. I mean, EVEN THOMAS CRIED.
And I want to kill Lord Grantham, and I just want to hug Cora all the damn time.
Why does this show give me so many feelings?
@packedsuitcase At first I thought "Dr. Clarkson is going to eff this shit up because he's a shitty doctor." BUT NO. HUBRIS, HUBRIS!!!!!
Also, congratulations, Julian Fellowes, you've just created a generation of women that will take pre-eclampsia even more seriously. Also, you may be responsible for yet another "So...adoption?" talk with my boyfriend.
@phipsi Yeah, I wanted to say that Dr. Clarkson redeems himself by being right.. but not enough to actually save her. *sigh*
@RK Fire I was also pissed that he just stood there and was all "welp, she's a goner." So he semi-redeemed himself by being right and then just stood there!!
@phipsi The other doctor is just like "well, what can I say? Shit just happens!" Dude is two steps away from being the Bill O'Reilly equivalent of doctors. "Bodies, man. How do they work??"
I watched that episode with my mom, who's been an RN since the 60s and did childbirth education for years.
My mom flat out said, right when it was mentioned, that if she starts to seize that she was dead. There was absolutely nothing they could do back then and they knew it. They couldn't treat it without antibiotics which wouldn't show up for a couple of decades. Even now, if it gets that bad, it is very dangerous and possibly fatal.
@RK Fire You know, she wanted to move onto other projects but I second @packedsuitcase. Why not just have her move to Ireland and come back once in a while to shake up Downton Abbey with some feminism/progressivism? Now there's no one, besides Cousin Isobel to do that.
@BoozinSusan I think they had to off her rather than leaving her unseen in Ireland because they needed a reason to have Branson hanging around Downton. A minor consolation.
"Such a comfort to us, to still have Branson." - channeling the Dowager Countess
@stalkingcat Antibiotics, f'reals? I thought magnesium...sulfate (maybe?) was the standard anticonvulsant and treatment, along with prompt delivery and complete rest. Full disclosure, though, my OB knowledge is mostly from the "Call the Midwife" books, which leave the impression that Sybil had an extremely TV-friendly version of eclampsia-related seizures.
It has to be that they only had her ankles swelling and not her hands or face so that the other doctor could plausibly deny what was happening.
From what my mom said, there were treatments for septicemia that could have saved her life, but once she started having seizures, then there was nothing the doctors could do, at least at that time.
@stalkingcat I guess I was expecting a little too much "ER" to intercede on my Downton Abbey.
@BoozinSusan Well I don't know. If Edith really does take up that column on women's rights, that'll be something. Maybe she's going to be the new activist of the family.
@packedsuitcase I think she had eclampsia, though, not septicemia. Septicemia would be a post-birth infection (which loooots of women died from back then, childbed fever, as it were), and would be treatable by infection. Eclampsia, or toxemia, is the seizure disorder, with no truly understood cause (likely an immune response, I believe), and not treatable by antibiotics.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your comment, in which case disregard!!
@formergr Aha, I dug out a New Yorker article I half-remembered and maybe a quarter-understood: "The Preeclampsia Puzzle." It looks like a nephrologist has found strong evidence that preeclampsia and eclampsia may be an artifact of maternal-fetal conflict, triggered by proteins released by the placenta and science science I don't know I only took bio 101. (It's entirely possible that I've misinterpreted the data or peer-review hasn't supported this in the meantime, so have pity on a liberal arts major.) Long story short, though, there are very promising leads on earlier diagnosis and possible treatment avenues--none of which would've done Sybil any good. Still, it couldn't have hurt to make sure that Sir Philip washed his hands with soap.
Although I have no kids and no plans to have any, I am fascinated by obstetrics; it's such an interesting and often-hidden aspect of human history.
There was much ugly crying for everyone. This is one of those fictional character deaths that's going to take me a while to get over...Also I just IMDB-ed her and what is this Labyrinth thing she's in with Draco??
@The Hyperbolic Julia Set I just googled it after being reminded about it by your comment. I don't know but I want to find it on Netflix or something similar.
@The Hyperbolic Julia Set I've seen the first episode and it is really quite bad.
Ugh, I watched them online a few weeks ago because I couldn't resist and when I watched this episode, my boyfriend definitely found me in the bathtub with a glass of wine and my iPad propped up on the toilet, crying like a lunatic. I can't believe I just told the Internet about this.
@Madeline Shoes I feel you. I think that's toally the right reaction.
@Madeline Shoes Ditto. I've been carrying this around silently for weeks and I'm so glad we can all mourn in public now!
@rosaline I watched them all a while back, too, and I must admit that this is not the episode that's been the "must keep spoilers inside" burden for me. But that's probably since I was spoilered on this one, so it had no element of surprise to it. (Also, since I watched it in the same sitting as the one before and the one after, longer-arc-viewpoint, etc.)
@Madeline Shoes I watched it back when it aired in the UK too and oh boy, were my boyfriend and cat concerned/horrified by the violent sobs emerging from my heavily-blanketed corner of the couch. Solidarity.
@ThatWench Oh no! You mean it gets even crazier?!
@ThatWench I get what you're saying and ugh. Yeah. Still sitting on that one.
@Minx Yes. YES. No rest for the weary on this series.
@Madeline Shoes This one was just me sitting on the couch for like 20 minutes, in shock/denial, and then downing a benadryl and going to bed. I held out for the whole week thinking that maybe next week, something would happen and she'd show back up. Like, it'd turn out there's this whole other plane that people and spirits can live on, and if Lady Mary and Lady Edith can just stop being horrible at each other and get their Ouji on, then maybe a slightly more transparent Sybil could grace us with her occasional presence and hopefully benevolent wisdom. (Spoilers: no, the show does not go sci-fi and bring Sybil back.) It wasn't until the episode after this one that I really let the tears come.
Should've been you Tom, should've been you.
@Tuna Surprise Begin constructing the Wicker Man.
A friend of mine totally spoiled the episode for me several months ago when the episode aired in the UK by posting the main plot event DIRECTLY IN A FACEBOOK STATUS. So I already knew what was coming, and I spent the entire episode stressed out and angry. I was angry more than anything.
@phipsi I have British newsfeeds, and The Telegraph had a DEAD SYBIL headline within fourteen seconds. So, I've been watching her and being all "oh, you think you're happy! oh, you're making plans!" like I am Death with a scythe.
I had saved up all the episodes to watch in one stretch with my mum and avoided all news until 15 minutes before starting when my mother handed me a magazine with an interview with Lady Mary she'd been saving for me that SPOILED EVERYTHING.
@Nicole Cliffe I saw it online too, andeven though I've been re-watching the season with my parents the past few weeks, I straight up refused to sit through that a second time (and then Call the Midwife did an episode about pre-eclampsia too! Why is this suddenly a big subject?)
@phipsi DAFUCK, FACEBOOK FRIEND.
I warned all my UK facebook friends when their season started last fall that any plot spoilers in their statuses would result in immediate unfriending. And since I couldn't watch it until just now, I've been avoiding, like, the whole internet that wasn't Lizzie Bennet, since last night.
#patriarchyfail. That is all.
@Yankee Peach I've read on AV Club or something similar that the first half of the season is just a full-on patriarchy fail, from the shitty financial management to the "lololol childbirth is hard but it's not that dangerous!" WTF. Way to ignore one of the leading causes of mortality for women, dumbass.
@RK Fire Seriously! I think this is worse than when O'Brien pulled that crap with the soap that made Cora miscarry. At least that was intentional cruelty. This is just an overwhelmingly oppressive system that gives women no voice in their own care and reminds me how recent it was and how it still happens and I'm just LIVID.
@Yankee Peach Seriously. Did anyone even tell the poor girl what was wrong with her, or you know, ask her how she was feeling during their argument about whether or not she was confused?
@MilesofMountains Hahaha, of course not, because CHILDBIRTH.
@RK Fire RIGHT? And like, don't consult any of the women present, who have some experience with childbirth who were ALL saying "No, this is not right."
@Norrey My friend who I watched this with and I had a LOOOOONG conversation about A) Haaay, patriarchy, haaaaay, and B) Fucking listen to An Intuition which I guess is a subset of A) because Women and Their Feelings, So Unreliable.
I mean, Cora was FRANTIC, their family doctor who has known them since infancy was about to go in and bodily carry her out (and at least had the humility to admit that his proposed solution had risks, unlike Sir Philip Dickhead), and NOBODY just put her in the damn car.
Robert has fucked up a lot in his life (we call him Sir Robert Bungler when we're not calling him Sir Asshat or Sir Pompous Prat) but this is so far beyond the pale. I cannot see Cora recovering from it.
@par_parenthese If I were Cora, Robert would be done. DONE. And Sir Philip Dickhead is lucky that malpractice wasn't a thing back then, or he would be toast. My one consolation after watching was that with any luck, his reputation would be in pieces after this fiasco.
@Bittersweet Fingers crossed on all counts.
I am always too scared to talk about Downton because I can't remember what the people watching on PBS have seen and haven't.
I think a commenter on TLo said it best: Beth always dies.
@SuperGogo So (painfully, painfully) true.
FIRST, they name that gorgeous girl's character "Sybil."
THEN, they marry her to Whine-ocerus Rex.
THEN, they fuck up her hair in Season Three.
Whaaaat did she do to you, Julian Fellowes?
@Nicole Cliffe It wasn't even hair this season! It was a danged HAIRHAT. I mean. She has such pretty hair, why you gotta do that Julian Fellowes?
"You don't have to behave this way. You could be so much better."
Me, knife to Lord Grantham's throat: "Say it."
Lord Grantham: "I...I can't."
Me: "For real."
Lord Gratham: "Uterus."
@Nicole Cliffe I love you.
@Nicole Cliffe I love how Lord Grantham waxes outrage at the mention of women's body parts/health vocabulary in front of his mother, and Dowager Countess is all like "Bitch, I have these parts, remember?"
@Nicole Cliffe URINE! AAAAGGHHHHH
'Tis an ill wind that blows no one any good: there was a minimum amount of Bates-and-Anna content as a result.
(I'm just going to keep going until the baby wakes up, for the record.)
I watched it a while ago but Im still in mourning. <3 you Sybil!
GET RID OF YOUR EX-SEX-WORKER COOKS, THEY ARE REVOLTING.
(No, it's great, good for you, but get a cookbook. There are no good dishes involving kidneys.)
@Nicole Cliffe +1,000. You could have MENTORED HER, Mrs. "This Slut's Gonna Tarnish My Good Name By Proximity" Byrd.
@phipsi Byrd is a bitch. I mean, society/the times she lived in/ blah blah blah.
@Nicole Cliffe Sadly, though, this is how quite a large number of people STILL act. There are far too many Byrds still in the world. I'm really glad for this story arc because of it. Maybe some people out there will see how cruel that kind of thing is.
@phipsi Yes, but from what I gather from the previews, Mrs. Patmore goes to teach Ethel cooking skills. Just another reason why Mrs. Patmore is the best.
@phipsi I kiiinda had a bit of sympathy for Mrs. Byrd when the male servants made it obvious that they would consider her tainted if she had stayed. Staying would still have been the most moral thing to do, but it definitely would have been taking a big hit to her future ability to make a living.
@MilesofMountains Well this is true. Everybody but Isobel and sometimes Mrs. Hughes is kind of terrible about it. I just want one of two of them to be like, "People, her child was starving to death, okay?!" But it maybe bears mention that Molesley, and therefore Carson, might not have known Ethel's past if Byrd hadn't blabbed it. Of course, Byrd was probably trying to look like a noble quitter instead of a fired person. I'm sure she fully expected Isobel to fire Ethel instead. But still. I don't know. I just wish the menfolk and select womenfolk would quit acting like prostitution is somehow a contagious, irrevocable decision. Isobel's positively marvelous in this storyline.
@Sunny Schomaker She is. THE BEST.
Also, HUGE shout-out to Emmy-worthy acting from Dame Maggie for that scene where she walks slowly and unsteadily into Downton.
And also to Mrs. Crowley who's practicing her Dowager Countess one-liners by observing that no one would mistake "plain" cook Mrs. Byrd for a prostitute.
@SuperGogo RIGHT? Check out the pair on her! Not to mention, I'm pretty sure she would have backed up Dr. Clarkson.
@SuperGogo I was shocked and dismayed to discover that my mom dislikes Isobel Crawley! I made her pay close attention to the Mrs. Byrd scene, all "Look, look how awesome she is! How you gonna hate?"
@SuperGogo YES. I was spoiled for The Event, so couldn't get into it emotionally (and seriously, all those people including her father in her bedroom?? I think not), but Maggie Smith SLAYED ME.
@Valley Girl Well, I sometimes don't like Isobel. She kind of has a habit of deciding for people what they should do and then giving them the massive guilt trippy protest if they disagree with her. But yes, sometimes she's fabulous in standing up for things.
@SuperGogo OH my god, THAT SCENE with Maggie Smith is actually what broke me in this episode. Like, aww, Gramma, I'm so sorry!
Also, I'm going to come right out and say, having had a loved one seize this summer and turn grey (it was my mom, she's fine now) like, RIGHT THERE and look for ALL THE WORLD like she was dying, that panicked "Oh god, what.. why... talk to me... oh god! Are you okay?" of Sybil's death was so... ugh. On point. It hit very close to home.
@Minx I called her "incredibly naive" tonight. Like, super glad you have ideals and are willing to stand up for them but let's be real, you live on a massive estate to which your son is the heir. You don't have a lot at stake here when you let your respectable cook go so you can replace her with a former prostitute. Progressivism, you're doing it wrong.
I was doing okay until Thomas started crying. THOMAS.
@Nicole Cliffe THOMAS. UGLY CRYING.
THOMASSSSSSS /ALL THE FEELINGS
@Nicole Cliffe I KNOW. I was mostly stuck in "horrified" as my main reaction, and then the servants were crying and I started to get teary and then Thomas broke down and I was gone. And then Cora with her "my baby, my beauty" speech and...yeah. It was bad. Sybil wasn't even one of my favorites!
@Nicole Cliffe When Thomas cries YOU KNOW SHIT IS BAD.
Tip: If your doctor is offended by the thought of a urine sample, it is time for a new doctor. That was horrifying.
Turned to my husband at the end of the episode and said, "Hey, remember how they started taking my blood pressure, like, every hour the day after the baby was born? Yeah. That's why."
@MmeLibrarian "Some women have thick ankles, whatevs."
THAT IS WHY YOU CHECK HER ANKLES EVERY WEEK.
I have, like, three friends who needed C-sections because they had pre-eclampsia. If you have pre-eclampsia, you are LEGIT DYING, and giving birth speedily is the cure.
@Nicole Cliffe I am pretty sure that every single young mother watching last night was straight-up yelling at the tv from the second Sybil said that she had a headache and her ankles were swollen.
@Nicole Cliffe Oh god, as soon as they mentioned ankles I got the bad feeling in my tummy and knew that somebody was going to die.
They might as well have sent her to investigate a strange sound in the spooky haunted mansion with a bad flashlight.
@MmeLibrarian @Nicole Cliffe SERIOUSLY. I am currently pregnant and experiencing All the Feelings, and I wept. Full on, shaking, soaking my husband's shirt, WEPT. And I was yelling at the TV as well. I couldn't tell if he was more traumatized by the episode or my reaction. I just wanted to strangle Lord Grantham AND that idiot Dr. Philip. Ugh.
I am actually taking comfort from the knowledge that everyone is calling their OB-GYN right now to get briefed on the warning signs of pre-eclampsia.
@Nicole Cliffe Ha! I actually went to my OB for an out-of-sequence appointment yesterday because of this. Yesterday I was all, "gee, I haven't been scared about something pregnancy-related for almost a week! Since I have Lady Sybil on my mind, lemme check pre-eclampsia and eclampsia online!" I've been having sort of right-over-the-lower-ribcage-area pain on the right side for about a week, and one symptom of pre-eclampsia is "upper-right quadrant pain," and the pre-eclampsia organization was adamant that you should ALWAYS get it checked out immediately if you have it because it is NOT NORMAL. So I did, and the OB I saw very kindly explained that this was normal stretching-unstretchy-parts-to-accommodate-the-expansion pain, and that at 19 weeks it would be extroadinarily rare for me to have pre-eclampsia, and that THAT pain is located internally and is liver-related. She didn't even really laugh, although she looked like she might like to a little (but not in a mean way). Anyway, I blame Downton Abbey! But I guess it was a good thing.
@MmeLibrarian Dude, I'm not even a mother, but I knew something was off with the headaches and swollen ankles. Your ankles should not be remarkably swollen if you're just lying in bed!
I have a two-year-old girl, and Lady Cora's goodbye speech kept my ugly cry going for a solid hour. MY BABY
@kingstitcher Oh GOD yes. The sobs just went on...
@kingstitcher UGH. GOD. Often I greet my dog by saying, "hello sweet baby!" and for weeks now (I've watched all the episodes through the end of season 3 because I am a filthy pirate) every time I say it, Cora's monologue plays in my head and I sob like a crazy mess. The dog is perplexed.
@kingstitcher I didn't lose it until Cora said goodbye, and then I was lost. And then I lost it again when I kissed my sleeping daughter later that night.
@kingstitcher Oh god, I forgot to call my mom and see if she was okay after this episode. (She still calls me her baby, and I'm 28.)
Ugh, I spoiled it for MYSELF when I realized I had been half-watching the first episode (I was on vacation, I was boozed) and in my utter stupidity googled "Is Sybil pregnant?"
Woke up still littered in little kleenex wads from last night.
If Lord Grantham hadn't spent all her money on magic beans/railroad futures, Cora would totally be back in New York within the week, looking for a second, younger husband who isn't from The Long Long Ago.
@Nicole Cliffe I think they need to make it up to Cora by having a super hot old beau from America show up for the weekend. CASTING SUGGESTIONS ANYONE?
Taye Diggs. It doesn't have to make sense.
@Nicole Cliffe Hell yes. Cora deserves a hottie after this mess.
Victor Garber's hot husband!
Victor Garber's hot husband AND Victor Garber.
(I am obviously procrastinating from other things I should be doing.)
@Nicole Cliffe OMG Y'ALL THEY SHOULD PUT IDRIS ELBA DOWNSTAIRS IMAGINE THE SEXY SHENANIGANS
@Megano! I like the way you think.
@Megano! I was about to say "Robert Downey Jr. playing an eccentric, witty millionaire" but that is pretty much what he does for Ironman.
@Megano! Sex Idiot Ryan Lochte.
@RK Fire Ironman at Downtown Abbey! I want it! I need it! Like, like, the suit can be all steam punk and he's actually Tony Stark's grandfather..and, and I'll show myself out now.
I want to suggest Rufus Sewell but then I would start watching Downton Abbey again and . . . no, no. If I wanted to watch people suck at their jobs, I'd watch GOT.
@Lisa Frank OR JOHN SLATTERY?!
@Lisa Frank No no, it can work! Brilliant industrialist, met Cora in NYC when trying to fundraise capital for his budding business...
I really want to suggest James Purefoy because I loved him in Rome but he's British and doesn't exactly work with the whole brilliant, progressive rich American thing we have going.
@RK Fire He also has a really terrible American accent, so couldn't fake it. On the other hand, maybe he can adapt his Rev. cameo and take Thomas out of everyone's hair.
@Megano! Christopher Meloni aka Elliott Stabler from Law & Order: SVU. Because if anyone understands the emotions involved in being a parent, it's him! He'd have to cover his tattoos, though.
I KNOOOOW I HAVE BEEN HOLDING ONTO THIS GRIEF FOR MONTHS GUYS. MONTHSSSSS!
@Megano! ME TOO!!!! Downton is really too emotional for PBS to air it months later. Luckily, I did have a few fellow pirates/actual Brits to give me cyberhugs.
I am in despair! Despair!!!
@Minx I mean, this is one of those character deaths that I just was not prepared for and I didn't know I'd take it so hard until it happened! I feel somewhat silly for taking a fictional person's death so hard, but this one's gonna be hard to recover from.
@Minx It should like Survivor or the Bachelor, so that when you're killed/voted off you make the evening talk show rounds and exchange pleasantries with Conan, and then we move on.
@Minx This is why I always spoil things for myself (thanks Wikipedia). Simultaneous self-loathing and gratitude ensues.
"We had urinalysis before we invented the sphygmomanometer?" -overheard while watching Downton with med students.
@Sincerely, Jane State of the art, too: Take a test tube of urine and hold it near a flame; if it clouds up, that's an indication of protein in the urine. In extreme cases, where the protein content is way high, the contents of the tube can solidify like an egg white. Medical history!
The best moments of this episode, numbered for convenience.
1-5: Maggie Smith walking through the hall, struggling to keep going as she breaks down.
6: Lady Mary telling Edith "Bitch, don't be crazy, of course we can't be friends."
7: Cora's response to Robert, which can be summed up as "I'm so done with you, and I fucking dare you to come at me about it."
@Norrey Didn't Edith say something about "getting along," not being friends? I had a toootally different interpretation of that than everyone else, apparently. I thought Edith was like, "Now I suppose we'll have to get along better than before," and Mary's response was along the lines of, "We're never going to be like-minded or alike but we'd better start loving each other." Which I think is pretty realistic?
I knew Dr. Clarkson was right because medicine, but also because the actor played Kalas, my favorite Highlander villain ever. (Was the Best Opera Singer, came at McLeod, McLeod fucked up his throat but didn't behead him so he lived but couldn't sing, tearjerking lipsync to Pagliacci, came back at McLeod for revenge and also because There Can Be Only One. McLeod is a douche.)
So I spent a while last night trying to find out which Highlander villain Dr. Phillip played, and there was none! Pity!
Was it not one of the scariest TV deaths to watch, too? Horrifying. The swelling neck muscles... that's going to stick with me for a while and I am angry about it.
@Adult Footie Pajamas Um yes as soon as the dying started I was like OMFG HOW DID THEY GET HER TO LOOK LIKE THAT?! Her entire face was swollen! And her giant neck? So horrifying. It kind of reminded me of the first X-Men movie and when that Senator blobbed out and melted right off the table after becoming a mutant. And her hair…there are no words.
@Adult Footie Pajamas I just couldn't even process it. I was staring at the screen going, "She is dying of eclampsia right now," and it just did not even sink into my brain until Mary, Tom, and Edith were waiting for the funeral home to come take her away, at which point I ugly, ugly cried.
I thought Sybil had to die because she wasn't a very good actor? Like, I have never actually believed she was in love with Branson. She kept saying it but I kept thinking, "not really, right? You just want to be a nurse." But I agree about the hair. It was terrible.
If there are any pregnant ladies or soon to be pregnant ladies or thinking about pregnant ladies terrified, my brillant OB friend wrote a blog post about what happened and why this doesn't usually happen in Western countries anymore.
@thebestjasmine "The scene was devastatingly accurate, and horrifying." Aaaand now I want to cry at my desk.
OH FINALLY I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP THIS HORRIBLE SECRET ANYMORE. I was one of those dastardly pirates that watched the whole series via torrents on schedule with the UK airing, and oh fuck, I watched this episode on a Monday morning right before I had to go to class, and FUCK I WAS USELESS ALL DAY.
Also, wait, are we all supposed to hate Tom? I wish he were a more fleshed out character in general but I have such a soft spot for hunky revolutionaries with Irish accents.
Also. Is pre-eclampsia still a thing? And if so are there charities that one can donate to for supporting research to end that monster? Not that I have much in my wallet at the moment but I kind of just want to donate a symbolic ten bucks "In loving memory of Lady Sybil Crawley." :-P
@Countess Maritza It IS still a thing. It's just that now you're a lot less likely to die from it since they're better able to treat you and do less-risky C-sections and such.
I don't hate Tom either. I mean, he's not my favorite thing, but I don't understand Tom-hate.
@Countess Maritza I like Tom! I 'specially like the bromance between Tom and Matthew. Totally endearing and sweet. Yes, he's a little WHOA about his politics, but so much of that is Julian TORY4LYFE Fellowes making him seem like a weird extremist to be house-burningly upset that the English aristocracy had been, like, slaughtering Irish peasants willy-nilly for generations.
@par_parenthese Preach! I'm disappointed we haven't gotten to see more of the political stuff going on this season, actually. I was hoping for some Irish Revolution melodrama.
@Countess Maritza So was I! But now that seems extremely unlikely because I just don't see Tom going into parliament or whatever? GOOD GOD, what is he going to DO now? Sit like a bump on a log at Downton and get waited on? Or (possibly more interestingly) go completely off the rails and blow something up and then go on the lam with Baby Girl? I vote for option 2, please.
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@Countess Maritza We are all supposed to hate Tom. I have been informed by Women Everywhere. However, a small group of dissidents meets on Tuesdays at Hipster Tea House to discuss that while we are not exactly so in love with Tom as to gif all over Tumblr, we do quite enjoy him and are glad he's sticking around more.
I just got a Facebook message from a friend who had to deliver her gorgeous new baby a few weeks early, because of....pre-eclampsia! Shit's real.
[ This comment is sad. Don't read it if you don't want to read something sad.]
I have a friend who had to deliver at 25 weeks because of pre-eclampsia. Her son didn't make it.
Eclampsia is very real.
( My friend and her partner now have a healthy and beautiful little girl. So this comment isn't all sad. )
My sister almost died from HELLP syndrome, which is a variety of pre-eclampsia. An emergency c-section saved her and my nephew's lives.
Hooray for modern medicine!
Late to the party, but am I the only one who saw this coming? All I knew from the UK was that "something horrible" was going to happen and I immediately guessed Sybil. I think because she had been pregnant since the end of the second season and if they wanted to, they could have wrapped it up quickly (Edith got engaged and ditched within two episodes, after all).
Ugh, I spoiled myself after reading a Guardian article that mentioned "Lady Sybil's tragic end." Being pregnant, and being that it was 1920, it doesn't take much to see where it was going.
That doesn't mean I was prepared for it, though. Out of all the characters, Sybil was the one who I'd want to be around (aside from Violet because come on). She's the only one who was inherently LIKEABLE to me. Not that I don't love the others-- Edith has grown on me exponentially, especially if she's now Suffragette!Edith, and I love to see beneath Mary's veneer, and okay, I really like Cora, too, and I understand the others. But I liked Sybil and I thought she was interesting and I wish we got to see more of her-- what it was like for her to not have servants, what she did in Ireland, who her friends would have been. The world was interesting through her eyes.
So I did sob terribly and got all kinds of ugly when she died. And I was so mad at Sir Philip because he was a STRANGER and she was so young. And I really do believe that they were happy. Tom and Mary and Cora killed me when she died-- because Tom really is so alone now. He's been exiled from his home and he's living in a big house that he doesn't belong in, where no one likes him, and he has nothing to do. He's had his faults in the past, and I largely blame some bad writing on that stuff (apparently after Tom insulted Sybil's nursing, there was a scene where he apologized but it got cut-- and I think season 2 was largely the two of them talking about how hard it was to be in love, but we never got to see the moments where they did fall in love, and so it was harder to believe them).
Oh, but Cora. Her "my baby" speech just broke me, and Maggie Smith stomped all over my broken heart.
Mary's line was my favorite, though, when she said to Edith, "She was the only person living who thought that you and I were such nice people." And that's why I liked Sybil so much, and why I thought she played such an important role in the family, and the show. We needed someone who didn't think that the others were so terrible (because they really, really could be.)
Oh, Sybil. Jessica Brown-Findlay, I wish you well, and I hope it was worth it. But why couldn't you put your career on hold to make me happy?!
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