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"The report on nearly three million people found that those whose B.M.I. ranked them as overweight had less risk of dying than people of normal weight."
—Science abstract reporting cures the problem of death for all time.

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area@twitter

Science: Fuck It, Do What You Want, We Give Up (Alternatively: Weight Is One Of Many Complex And Varied Predictors Of Health, Just Get Exercise And Eat Your Veggies And You'll Be Fine)

RK Fire

@area@twitter Science: Stand Up Or Sit Down, We Don't Give A Fuck, You're Going To Die Anyways

area@twitter

@area@twitter Also, it made my day to read this: "BMI is a crude screening tool and has limitations in many subpopulations...The risk of metabolic and cardiovascular complications due to obesity is determined more accurately by the following:
Other risk factors, particularly a family history of type 2 diabetes or premature cardiovascular disease
Waist circumference
Serum triglycerides" (source)

area@twitter

@RK Fire Science: Fuck It, We're Researching Psychotropics And You Can't Stop Us

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@area@twitter New Studies: Beer, Wine, Meat, Air, Sun, Make-Up, Laughter, Being Overweight, Being Underweight, Weighing Something, Making Friends, Losing Friends, Circuses, Smizing - None of These Will Defeat Death in the End.

jule_b_sorry

@area@twitter This is the inverse of my doctor's theory, which is 'You're Clearly Fat And It Frustrates Me That There's Nothing Else Medically Wrong With You And By All Other Counts You're Very Healthy Because Being Fat Is Definitely Very Very Bad And You Must Lose Weight Right Now Anyways.'

fondue with cheddar

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose Do You Feel Okay Because If You Do You're Probably Okay And If You Don't You Should Probably Eat Better And/Or Exercise More.

hallelujah

@jule_b_sorry GIRL. You need a new doctor, stat!

area@twitter

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose Science: Celebrating Two Thousand Years Of Failing To Halt The Grim Inevitability Of Death

@jule_b_sorry Oh man, second. Dump him/her immediately and find someone who doesn't make you feel like shit every time you come in.

jule_b_sorry

@area@twitter Lol the worst part is, she's awesome about everything else and is a pretty great doctor, but she just CANNOT stand that I'm fat but otherwise healthy. It's like the riddle of the sphinx to her. She's made me go for several blood tests with the idea there MUST be SOMETHING medically wrong with me, b/c it's just not possible for a fat person to be healthy. In a way, I've started to take perverse pleasure in it. "Oh yeah, better check that blood pressure again...oh WOW it's NORMAL, just like every other time! CRAZY!"

EpWs

@area@twitter Science: We Can't Manage To Find A Cure For The Common Cold So We'll Just Yank You Around On Weight Forever To Distract You From Our Other Failings.

(coming to you from my couch, in my pajamas, cursing science in general)

area@twitter

@jule_b_sorry Oh Lawd. If she asks again, I'd be tempted to inquire as to why she's putting you through this testing. Again. Particularly for anything inconvenient or invasive- blood pressure is quick and easy, but blood draws or anything more elaborate? Insist that it's explained to you, and with minimal eye-rolling and "well, you know, with your weight" cop-outs.

fondue with cheddar

Most importantly, CAN WE PLEASE STOP CALLING FEMALE STUDENTS CO-EDS?

Nicole Cliffe

Oh, my God. Yes!

area@twitter

@fondue with cheddar The ONLY thing that makes that OK is that it was a direct quote from an article written in 1912. Otherwise? FIRE

fondue with cheddar

@area@twitter It's okay in this instance for that reason, but people do still say it, which boggles the mind. We are WAY past this as a society. Or at least we should be. People also still say "lady cop" and "female scientist", and also "male nurse" and "male stripper". Ugh. People.

Miss Maszkerádi

@fondue with cheddar wait people actually still say co-ed? That term always makes me picture every empty headed blonde sorority cheerleader from every 80s teen movie ever.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@fondue with cheddar Well, to be fair, if I'm trying to get a group out to the strip club, I do have to define which gender we're going to see.

parallel-lines

@fondue with cheddar I'll stop when they stop with those damned negligee pillow fights!

KeLynn

@fondue with cheddar I feel a little stupid right now because I definitely thought "co-eds" meant "a group of students both males and females."

fondue with cheddar

@Countess Maritza Yeah, people actually do still say it, though thankfully not very often. I did hear it recently and I wish I could remember where.

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose That's okay, though! It's important to specify when you're planning an outing. What irks me is when people say, "He's a male stripper." Because NO SHIT, he's MALE. You can just say, "He's a stripper," and leave it at that.

Likewise in a case where it totally doesn't matter, like if someone tells you a story about how they were pulled over by a female cop when the cop's sex is an extraneous detail that has absolutely nothing to do with the story. Because if it were a male cop they wouldn't have said "male cop", they would have just said "cop".

fondue with cheddar

@KeLynn I used to think that too, until I heard someone described as a "hot young co-ed" in the singular.

Technically, that's what it originally meant. Colleges used to only allow men, then some started to allow women, making them co-educational schools. And since male college students were the norm and female the exception, they started calling the female students co-eds.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@fondue with cheddar So you don't like it when I call you Lady Fondue. (Which, actually, sounds weird anyway.)

fondue with cheddar

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose You may call me Lady Fondue if at least one of the following occur:
1. I become a feudal landowner.
2. I become a cheesy pop star LGBT icon.
3. You melt me down and dip bread in me.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

@fondue with cheddar I really, really hope Nos. 1 and 2 happen for you. No. 3 is a tad too far for me, but you know, whatever matures your cheese.

fondue with cheddar

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose I will be the most fabulous feudal landowner ever. I will wear a purple turban and a red feather boa.

WaityKatie

@fondue with cheddar My favorite ludicrous use of that word was when my dad tried to refer to my fellow students AT MY WOMEN ONLY COLLEGE as "coeds." I briskly smacked that down. "We're not coeds. This is not a coeducational institution. We are students."

KeLynn

@fondue with cheddar Ah! I must just be old-timey in the brain, then.

de Pizan

I'm partial to this article on BMI's inaccuracy (called Do You Believe in Fairies, Unicorns or the BMI) http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_05_09.html

Non-anonymous

My (completely uneducated and indeed baseless) feeling is that our society been led badly astray by the habit of lumping "overweight and obese" people together. This has encouraged people to take the health problems of a few severely obese people and assume that everyone who's slightly overweight is also at risk for them. And now after this study, we'll probably all turn around and assume that if being ten pounds "overweight" is good for you, then being a hundred pounds overweight is fine too.

fondue with cheddar

@Non-anonymous I am inclined to agree. I tend to straddle the line between overweight and obese BMI, so I was glad that they specifically called out the low end of the obese category as being pretty okay (so long as there aren't "other indicators of poor health").

Lily Rowan

@Non-anonymous Our society loves to do that -- anything that's bad in excess must be bad in moderation as well! Stupid society.

Speaking as a healthy person solidly in the overweight BMI range.

I'm Right on Top of that, Rose

I recently read an article in Outside magazine about what it's actually like to freeze to death (I read it before an all-weekend cross country ski trip, obvi) and it talked about how people with a little extra padding survive those situations better than the super-lean, muscle-y folk. So. There's that.

fondue with cheddar

@I'm Right on Top of that, Rose And we can live longer without food, too! Energy storage!

WaityKatie

@Non-anonymous And even worse, the rationale for doing this is basically "well, we don't want overweight people to get too comfortable and decide to become obese, because that is unhealthy, so we need to discourage people from being in the overweight category as well." Logic! Because that is how it works. I'm sitting here in my borderline "overweight" body, but if someone tells me I'm not a repulsive fatty fat fatty for a minute, I'm going to get myself to the 7-11 and immediately consume all the cake.

fondue with cheddar

@WaityKatie Ugh...I'm so tired of the polarization of everything.

Miss Maszkerádi

Hoo boy. Times like this, one really remembers that modern experimental science all comes, eventually, from alchemy. Keep trying, magi, you still can't turn mortality into gold.

area@twitter

@Countess Maritza Man, this whole medical science I work in, we get all this money from NIH and see all these people with crippling chronic disease we've promised to help, and it's all a sham! I've been turning blood samples into high-grade gold jewelry for years!

Miss Maszkerádi

@area@twitter I...uh...not quite what I meant, but okay.

Miss Maszkerádi

@area@twitter because now I feel like an asshole - I wasn't intending to talk smack about modern medicine or its practitioners? I was aiming my snark at the wording that always comes out of these studies when they hit the mainstream press - like DO THIS AND MAYBE YOU WON'T DIE!!!1!1!! That's the alchemical thinking, not the actual helping of sick people? Whatever the hell I know....

area@twitter

@Countess Maritza Oh, I gotcha now. Agreed- an awful lot of mainstream reporting doesn't pick up on the nuance and qualifiers involved in medical research. Particularly when weight is involved; I think that's a topic that we as a society just can't talk about sanely.

phipsi

Suck it, assholes at my former fat-phobic gym.

Hamburger Hot Dog

The picture that accompanies the link to this article in the sidebar makes up for how very cranky the subject of the BMI makes me. I was sad that there wasn't a larger version with the article, but then I found this:
http://www.clipartof.com/gallery/clipart/devil_burger.html
It turns out that burger hands are just as creepy as they sound. Still, I am going to look at all those images in a row and imagine that burger rocking out, and the next time I get mad at the BMI I will picture a dancing burger and will be magically calmed.

fondue with cheddar

@Hamburger Hot Dog Devil burger still looks delicious, as long as you remove the pointy horns which are a choking hazard.

Ialdagorth

I'M GONNA LIVE FOREVER! HA HAA!

RIP Ass Dan.

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My doctor, after reviewing my medical history and asking me a lot of questions about my daily habits and how I felt in different time periods, determined that I should try to maintain a weight range in the overweight BMI range. Focusing on the health of the individual, imagine that. Revolutionary.

fondue with cheddar

@() OMG you mean this kind of doctor actually EXISTS? Everything about this is perfect. Mind = Blown

Where do you live, person whose username reminds me of a vulva?

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@fondue with cheddar area@twitter Magical unicorn indeed. Graduating without health insurance was not a good move. If it's an option I recommend looking for someone with a DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine) as opposed to an MD as your primary care provider. Holistic patient care models are more prevalent in DO medical schools (United States) so the odds, in my experience, are better.

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Which is not to say that she ignored all statistical correlations, but to her they were a data point.

area@twitter

@() Is your doctor actually a unicorn? Because she is like something out of my wildest, most beautiful fantasies. ~~dreamy sighs~~

photoalice

I'm going to feed my left side a French diet until it's pleasantly plump and feed my right side an extremely calorie-restricted, life-extending raw diet. Then the truth will out, although one side will die eventually and the other will have to drag it around.

WaityKatie

@photoalice While you're doing that, make sure you also shampoo the left side of your head with dandruff shampoo and the right side with regular. Two experiments in one.

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