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'Drinking With Men' and an Email Interview With Rosie Schaap

Cocktail columnist, bartender, and sometime fortuneteller Rosie Schaap's memoir 'Drinking With Men' is out today (here's a short, excellent excerpt), and I emailed with her about bars and books and oysters.

Edith Zimmerman: Do you remember your first drink?

Rosie Schaap: Yes, I certainly do. It was amaretto. My parents had thrown a party on Christmas Eve when I was five or so, and didn’t bother cleaning up the coffee table afterward. I woke up early on Christmas morning, and there were some snifters with a few sips left of a pretty, amber liquid. I sniffed it, and it smelled like candy, so I drank it. And my parents found me splayed under the Christmas tree, snoring. I have to say, I still have a soft spot for the stuff.

Do you think people need to quit drinking to publicly tell their darkest drinking stories? Because it seems tricky to implicitly endorse drinking to excess, but then sometimes the stories are just really interesting. Or maybe they aren't, actually, without the self-awareness that sobriety provides? I don't know. Do you??

I tell some pretty dark drinking stories in Drinking With Men, but I tell some really happy ones, too. My focus is much more on bars than on drinking — and though they work as a team, they’re not the same. A bar gives you community, at least when you’re a regular. Drinking alone doesn’t give you that, and that’s why it never interested me. I never quit drinking, so I can’t speak from the perspective of someone who has. But my drinking habits have changed so much since I started when I was a teenager. My tolerance isn’t what it used to be. I need a few alcohol-free days a week to get work done; hangovers are much harder for me to get over in my 40s than they were in my 20s. I drink less now, but I think I drink much better. And I think self-awareness comes with maturity, not just sobriety. I hope it does. 

What did you drink on New Years? Christmas?

I worked a short shift at [the Brooklyn bar] South on Christmas night, so I only had a little eggnog at brunch with my family earlier in the day. After my shift, I drank some whiskey. But the next day, I had some friends over for a Boxing Day dinner and made a huge pot of wassail, the delicious mulled cider-and-ale concoction that I wrote about for dining section of The New York Times. I rarely go out on New Year’s Eve. A friend came over and we ate and drank decadently — caviar, steak, Champagne, a couple of bottles of good red wine.

Have you ever tried Qream? It seems like the brand is winding down, but it seemed to perfectly embody the ridiculousness of the booze-aimed-at-women thing.

No, I haven’t. And I won’t. First off, if I can’t even deal with a product’s name, I can’t drink it. Second, I’m with you: Whenever a liquor or beer or wine seems to be marketed exclusively to a specific group of people, I’m turned off. A good whiskey, or gin, or beer will appeal to anyone who likes a good drink.

How pissed would you be if someone came out of nowhere with a book called 'Drinking With Women'?

It takes more than that to piss me off, so I think I’d be kind of flattered. But I should probably say right now that I love drinking with women as much as I do drinking with men. The fact is, the great majority of bar regulars are men, so, as a much rarer woman regular, I’ve more often found myself in their company at bars.

... And told you about it via a Q&A about 'Drinking With Men'?

Well, then I’d think she’s a comic genius and offer her a blurb (though she’d be well within her rights to decline the offer).

What city would you like to visit for its bars alone?

First three that come to mind: New Orleans. Milwaukee. Belfast.

Best bar in New York?

The best bar is any bar with a mixed, lively crowd of interesting people, where I’m having a great conversation (and the music is low enough to make that possible), and enjoying a patiently poured pint of Guinness or a cocktail made with a little love and finesse. (I also appreciate it when there’s some vigilance about keeping restrooms stocked with toilet paper.) But some favorite go-to’s include great neighborhood places like The Brooklyn Inn and Walkers and South (I know, I work there, but I was a patron before I was a bartender), and places with terrific cocktails and none of the sanctimonious attitude that sometimes accompanies them, like Ward III and Amor y Amargo. I don’t go there often anymore, but among dives, I have eternal affection for Milano’s. And I’ll always love beautiful, classic hotel bars like the Bemelmans at the Carlyle, the Blue Bar at The Algonquin, and The King Cole at the St Regis — mostly for special occasions and when friends are visiting from afar.

And where would you live if you didn't live in New York? (Or, off the record: please tell me how to get out of here!)

Don’t leave! This is a great place. But I hear you. And I often fantasize about dividing my time between New York and Ireland.

What goes well with oysters?

Oh, God. OYSTERS. How I wish I had a giant pile of them in front of me RIGHT NOW. I guess I’m pretty traditional in this respect, and like Chablis with oysters best of all. But Champagne works, too. And Muscadet. And so do martinis. And even certain whiskies. And many kinds of beer. So how about you just bring me the oysters already and I’ll sort it out?

[Okay! Seriously.] What was your first favorite cocktail?

A whiskey sour, because that was my ma’s drink.

And what's the most recent drink you had?

Some very cheap, everyday, perfectly satisfying Malbec. That I opened a week ago. In a juice glass. Can you stand the glamour?

 

'Drinking With Men' is available now (Indiebound | Amazon). Buy it! Drink it!

(And Rosie Schaap is also on Twitter.)



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Cat named Virtute

I JUST finished reading her interview with Maud Newton before clicking over here, what luck! Have been a fan of her drinks column for a while, and SO looking forward to reading this book, snuggled in my snow-swaddled house with a nice nip of bourbon. Rosie, you have such a warm, engaging voice, and I'm really excited for all the poetry bits you mention in your interview with Maud.

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@Cat named Virtute
I've grown amused at Mario Batali's drinks column in the NYT Sunday Magazine. I mean, srsly, it sounds like the guy never doesn't have some kind of foo-foo drink in his hand.

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lookuplookup

My first drink was also something my parents had left out after a party - vodka with no mixer that I mistook for a glass of water. I was maybe 4? I woke my dad up immediately to tell him that I drank water that had "gone bad" overnight. He just laughed at me and went back to sleep, which was pretty much his #1 parenting strategy.

Judith Slutler

@lookuplookup "Water that had gone bad", that is amazing.

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@lookuplookup Water gone bad...that's great.

My first drink was my mom's white wine. I didn't like it.

Angry Panda

@lookuplookup Ha! My first drink was around 5, and it was gin that I mistook for water. :-)

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@Angry Panda Mine was gin-and-tonic that I thought was just tonic. Drank it all, asked for more. Nothing changes.

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My first drink was my mom's white wine. I didn't like it....elo hell

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First drink? When I was 5, at a Christmas party, I thought a tumbler of scotch was iced tea. I grabbed it, drank it all down. Been a brown liquor man ever since.

With oysters? Trust New Orleans and go with a sazerac. If the brown stuff isn't your thing (and much as I love it, sometimes I like something else) a simple absinthe or pastis is lovely too.

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If the brown stuff isn't your thing (and much as I love it, sometimes I like something else) a simple absinthe or pastis is lovely too....UGR

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I'm really excited that there's a bar called Ward III because my brother's name is _____ Ward, III. And we only live a couple hours away! I had to stop in the middle of the post to look it up and email him a link.

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And now any astute observer with a good memory knows my full name. Ward is pretty common anyway, so I guess it's not that big of a deal.

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@fondue with cheddar You know, I wouldn't even have realized that if you didn't mention it.

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@meetapossum I wouldn't have mentioned it if I were really worried about it, anyway. ;)

Theda Baranowski

Champagne, age ten, given to me by my Catholic paternal grandmother solely to piss off my teetotaling Methodist maternal grandmother.

The passive-aggression was strong in that generation.

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A tiny bit of Budweiser poured into my sippy cup by my dad because I wanted a taste. It was awful.

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@Emby precisely the same for me.

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@Emby Mine was a stolen Budweiser tall boy, split with a friend.

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@Emby A sip of my dad's Genesee Cream Ale. I quickly learned that cream ale and cream soda were not the same.

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@Emby My dad was giving me sips of beer before conscious memory. I loved it! And yes, if you were wondering, alcoholism DOES run deep in my family.

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@Emby Yup I sipped the foam off my dad's beer pretty much every time he had one at dinner, from the age of 10-ish on. Still thought beer was gross until I got to college, but still.

Judith Slutler

Also I drank a bottlecap's worth of warm gin as a 14 y o because I knew my mom liked it, and was immediately like, "Grownups are CRAZY, this stuff is DISGUSTING"

All my favorite cocktails now involve gin!

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Grownups ARE crazy, though. You just can't see it when you're one of them.

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A friend of mine and all his cousins got tanked at age 8 and under when his grandma mistook a pitcher of screwdriver for plain orange juice and insisted they finish their glasses when they said it tasted weird.

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ahh I have stumbled into Milano's a few times myself. now I feel glamourous?

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I also "...think self-awareness comes with maturity, not just sobriety." I am very aware of the pros and cons born from my ongoing love affair with booze.

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My first drink was cheap brandy at about age 6 or 7 because my mom said "you want to try it? Sure, go ahead." It put me off hard liquor until my mid twenties.

TARDIStime

@MilesofMountains This was my Dad's approach, also. It worked, until I was about 13 years old.
At 21, I am now a hardened wine-a-holic.
EDIT: At 21, I am now a serious wine connoisseur.

The Attic Wife

My first drink was red wine when I was two. I got into the liquor cabinet while my mom was sleeping, mistook the wine for soda and according to my mom, I told her it was gross. I got over the aversion to wine, but I still won't drink soda.

Linette

My first drink was two inches of my father's leftover Scotch (with the ice cubes melted down), which I mistook for apple juice. I was traumatized, and wouldn't try alcohol again until someone offered me a sip of champagne when I was about 10.

After that I was allowed sips of anything at dinner parties, and a half-glass eventually around age 15, and then a glass around age 18.

I remember being completely confused when I went to college and everyone drank gallons of really shitty beer with the intention of getting sloppily shit-faced. Like, seriously, people, did your parents not teach you how to drink properly?

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@Linette Crafty liquor, masquerading as apple juice.

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@Linette answer: no.

I don't think my parents COULD teach me how to drink properly, because they don't, really? They drink shitty beer sometimes in the summer, and occasionally on vacation they try to get me to join them in taking shots of tequila from red solo cups. They don't drink often anymore, but I think their college drinking was like that only more so...

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@Decca "Liquor masquerading as apple juice" is now how I shall describe all lovers, past and present.

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@MissMushkila Same! I had a couple of really nasty incidents during my first semester of college because my parents don't drink (my father has literally never drank, even skips the wine at church; I've seen my mother take a sip of champagne at a wedding, maybe) and I had no idea how much was too much/what would happen.

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My first drink was a large mouthful of my dad's whisky, mistaken for apple juice; my most recent drink was a bottle of Peroni last night with dinner; my favourite winter drink is whisky, hot water, slice of lemon with cloves; my favourite all-round drink is a g&t, two ice cubes, slice of lime (with another slice of lime rubbed around the rim of the glass, and then squeezed into the drink); my favourite pub (Dublin) is Grogan's; my favourite pub (Brighton) is the Great Eastern.

Now I'm thirsty.

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fabel

All these people with randomly drinking leftovers of their parents' drinks! For some reason, I never had this chance & my first drink was some off-brand Puerto-Rican rum one of my friend's stole from her parents (at age 15).

fabel

also, age 15, my mom decided I was old enough to drink in the house occassionally (a decision she probably learned to regret...)

happy go lucky scamp

@fabel i grew up in a no-alcohol house so i never had the chance either.
my first drink was at 15 and it was passionpop. I don't know what the american equivalent is of cheap, sweet, sparkling which is about 7 standard drinks a bottle.
Ahh passionpop.

TARDIStime

@happy go lucky scamp Passion Pop!
I mourn the loss of it's cheapness! I remember when it was like $2.50 a bottle! THAT IS CHEAPER THAN BOTTLED WATER, YOU GUYS!

happy go lucky scamp

@TARDIStime i know!
Now you're lucky if you can find it for $7 (although I am in WA where alcohol seems to cost more than the rest of the country)

TARDIStime

@happy go lucky scamp In Syd it's like maybe $5-$6?
I just get the Jacob's Creek pinot noir Chardonnay now - same price as P-Pop and so, so good (less sweet, more bubbly).
I buy it by the case.

happy go lucky scamp

@TARDIStime i'm quite partial to Jacobs Creek (i think) Bella.
I call it fancy pants passion pop.
I'll have to keep an eye out.
Passion pop still holds a certain nostalgic quality

TARDIStime

@happy go lucky scamp Agreed!
Passion Pop is like the more adult version of 2 minute noodles - terrible for you but it conjures memories!

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My first drink was a big slug of beer that I mistook for ginger ale at age 5. I think we were at some family friend's housewarming party and a grownup took my ginger ale by mistake. I promptly spit it back out all over the carpet, and then cried cause I felt guilty about making a mess.

meetapossum

Most recent drink was...champagne? Beer? Whatever I drank last on NYE.

But I can tell you what my next drink will be: a nice glass of white wine at my favorite bar. Drynuary!!! *shakes fist at sky*

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@meetapossum i started my drynuary late, on jan. 14th, simply so that i would have something to look forward to on valentine's day...

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TARDIStime

"And what's the most recent drink you had?

Some very cheap, everyday, perfectly satisfying Malbec. That I opened a week ago. In a juice glass. Can you stand the glamour?"

Rosie can have a drink with this woman anytime.

C_Webb

I have to admit, the title of the book annoyed me a bit, in an "I Drink With the Big Boys" way, and I thought I wouldn't like her. But thanks for this Edith, because I do in fact like her, and her writing, very much. Cheers, Rosie!

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Rosie Schaap: I think I love you.
And, maybe with luck, I'll run into her soon and we can be two women drinking, as I'm a regular at one of the bars she lists as one of her favorites. I guess we must go on different nights (which is surprisingly, since for a while, I was there 4 nights a week...).

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