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Wednesday, October 17, 2012

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Men With Binders (Full of Women?)

Previously: The Best of Sexual Harassment Stock Photography.

Abe Sauer is the author of the book How to be: North Dakota. Email him at abesauer AT gmail.com.

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ironhoneybee

Masterfile, indeed.

leonstj

Ugh I'ma have to mansplain proper binder stacking technique to these jokers. Alternate spine sides, son!

halfheartedyoga

@leon s call me already.

fondue with cheddar

@leon s "Men struggling to hold binders" AKA "Why can't I hold all these binders?"

RK Fire

@fondue with cheddar: Bunnies struggling to hold or stand on binders is also acceptable.

EpWs

@RK Fire I checked, there are no stock photos of this readily available. :( :( :(

RK Fire

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher: Truly the world is a sad place.

EpWs

@RK Fire Closest I found:

RK Fire

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher: bawwww.... thank you!

meetapossum

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher That gave me vivid flashbacks of middle school.

Bittersweet

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher I never had a Trapper Keeper. Deprived childhood! *sob*

New Hoarder

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher You just needed some Lisa Frank to take this all the way home. ;-)

Jolie Kerr

A++ gold star perfect

Pop Pop

So, while this whole meme is awesome and hilarious and should continue (personal fav- 'trap her, keep her') it also detracts from a lot of the problematic statements Romney said in that reply. Namely that in a question about pay equity, he made reference to giving one of his female staff members a flexible schedule so she could get home in time to cook for her family. Not to mention the fact that Romney never asked for the binder- it was given to him upon entering office by a separate group.

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx

Edit: The link moves slowly, but worth the wait.

ironhoneybee

@Pop Pop Wow, that's really incredible, and it's interesting that this side of the story hasn't come up in any of the fact-checking of the debates I've seen thus far. Thanks for posting!

julia

@Pop Pop Agree. My first reaction to the meme was "ugh can we not." because there are so many other things that Romney said that were deeply troubling. I get why it's catchy - it encapsulates his utter out-of-touchness with one tumblr-able phrase. But yeah, what you said.

PatatasBravas

@Pop Pop I am not sure how it detracts from the many problems of Mittens! He has so many flaws that surely pointing them out is not a zero-sum game.

Anyway, if you want to make this into a thread about Stuff We Dislike About Romney, I'm in!

PatatasBravas

@PatatasBravas Also what stood out to me about the binders full of women thing is that he had to go to women's groups to find qualified candidates -- what, he didn't know a single skilled woman?

area@twitter

@Pop Pop Yeah, I find the thing about binders filled with women disturbing on a lot of levels, but not as disturbing as the fact that apparently all we need as women is flexible schedules to care for our families. Because...all women have families to care for? And no men want flexible schedules so they can be with family?

dj pomegranate

@Pop Pop Yeah, his response seemed to be basically, "Well, obviously when the economy is up and roaring, companies will be super stoked to hire everyone women! FREE MARKET!" Which...misses the entire point. A super nice boss allowing flex time for one woman to go home and make dinner does not even begin to address systemic issues of discrimination, child care access, maternity leave. (Not to mention those "religious" bosses who don't want to pay for their employee's contraceptives...)

RK Fire

@Pop Pop: Also, there's the implicit admission that his staff's definition of "qualified" somehow did not include women, even though it is a state with some top-notch government/policy/public administration programs. Sorry, I went to grad school at Harvard, so I was just like, "Really? You just couldn't.. go to BU or Tufts or Harvard or UMass or Northeastern and.. yeah? No one? okay."

I felt the flex schedule thing wouldn't have been so mindcrushingly annoying if he had emphasized that it made sense for all genders, not just wimmenz because we gotta like, cook for our families and shit all of the time. It seems like that's pissing off younger, more liberal men too.

I wish there was a more meme-able way to make fun of the whole "so.. assault guns? well, if kids were being raised by two married straight people, we wouldn't have to deal with violence!"

Pop Pop

@PatatasBravas and @all- Yes by all means, let's make this a stuff we don't like about Romney thread! Though my answer is 'everything.' So that kinda brings it to an end. As I tell people- I'm not pro-Bama, I'm just anti-Romney.

(Totally off-topic: I love your avatar of the Dr.! Just started season five, and was basically in tears for the entire season 4 ending/ The End of Time series. Not sure how I feel about the new doc right now, need to get into it farther.)

RK Fire

@dj pomegranate: The whole "not dealing with systemic issues of discrimination" thing pisses me off too, but I'm not sure if I'd expect more from a Republican candidate.. ahhhh low expectations.

PatatasBravas

@Pop Pop Everything in your comment makes me want to invite you over for tea! INTERNET FRIENDS <3 Also I wish that the news peeps had noticed Stein/Honkala getting arrested trying to get in to the debate. What an awesome town hall question that would be! "Candidates, why aren't there three of you right now? WTF?"

(If I knew how to insert gifs, I would pick the one of Tennant nodding wisely over to my beloved Martha in re: Harry Potter, intoning "Oh, I cried")

RK Fire

@RK Fire: Not that you need a fancy degree to be in a state cabinet level position! (Although it seems to help.) It's just.. ugh, Boston! Is full of it's share of policy and government wonks! blergh,

juksie

@RK Fire as someone whose father made the family dinner every night (even though my mom was of the stay-at-home variety) I can verify that some men DO want this time, and that when it is provided their children find it invaluable. Wouldn't trade those dinners (or the ones where I tried cooking and he helped) for anything. So yes, stop pretending that a)women must make dinner and b)flexible hours for family members aren't necessary for all parents. Especially the single ones, whose children will apparently pick up guns if someone isn't home to cook them dinner.
That terrible part where he blamed gun violence on single parents is MY least favorite thing about Romney today.

noodge

i'ma leave this here - he didn't even request binders of women: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/16/obama-romney-second-debate-live#block-507e2fe658f91d7bbadac763

RK Fire

@juksie: I know so many fathers of young kids (okay, like 4) who want to spend more time with their kids and bend over backwards to try to find a friendly work environment.

Also, yeah, the single parents-> gun violence grates on me too, but generally I am annoyed whenever people are like "two parents are always best!" It's really personal for me: my single mother raised my sister and I after much encouragement from my sister for my mom to divorce my father because, you know, my father was an emotionally and sometimes physically abusive man who stepped out on my mom. Sometimes no parent is actually better than having a really shitty parent, and I wish people understood that.

EpWs

@dj pomegranate That whole "I'm gonna get the economy going so well, employers will be hiring women!" read to me like this: "I'm gonna get the economy going so well, employers will be so desperate for employees that they will EVEN HIRE WOMEN." Which is just...no, Mitt. There goes the point, whooshing over your head.

@all YES to everyone. Women need flexibility to cook dinners for their kids! *facepalm*

juksie

@RK Fire Ugh I can see how that would be the MOST frustrating to deal with- generalizations about single parents are absolutely everywhere, and it can be so easy to pretend they are right because "statistics!" So many of these family issues are so situational and complicated that I don't understand why we don't make efforts as a society to support all types of families and not favor one type over any other, since there basically isn't any such thing as a "normal" family situation anymore.

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

Soooo... the rest of you weren't eating tacos and catching up on Season 2 of 'Walking Dead' last night? huh.

RK Fire

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll: I actually would've preferred watching baseball but I don't have cable. :( I feel really conflicted about watching debates because on one hand, being an informed citizen, etc., but on the other hand, I already know who I'm going to vote for and Mitt Romney and Republican platform positions enrage me a bit.

fondue with cheddar

@RK Fire Sort of off topic, but there's also an assumption that mothers are better parents than fathers. My boyfriend is in the middle of a long-drawn-out divorce from a verbally abusive and manipulative woman. Honestly, his son's interests would be best served if she weren't part of his life at all, but there's no way he'll get sole custody. Right now he's got him every other weekend (though he doesn't because she will "make [his] life hell" if he spends the night at his dad's). He's fighting for 50% visitation and losing. It's so wrong.

@juksie It's true, there really is no such thing as a "normal" family situation. The health or dysfunction of a family has nothing to do with the number and gender of parents!

area@twitter

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll I was actually rescuing pandas in World of Warcraft during the debate, I couldn't stand looking at Mittens' sneer. Caught up via Twitter and WaPo later.

Blushingflwr

@RK Fire This is why I listen to the baseball on the "radio" (aka espnradio.com). I don't have cable either. I'm also hard-pressed to think of something that Mitt Romney could say to get me to vote for him, short of renouncing his entire platform.

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

@area@twitter
Yep. The debates themselves are insignificant, just pandering to viewers' confirmation biases. (Human psychology and the format make that inevitable.) What matters, if anything does, are the assessments afterwards.

@RK Fire
Are there no sports bars??

RK Fire

@fondue with cheddar: That is totally appropriate thing to remind people about as well! Gender roles bind everyone negatively...

@Blushingflwr: My husband and I were listening to the Os games on AM radio, and it never occured to me to turn to internet radio! Ahh, I feel so silly now. Thanks for the suggestion and link!

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll: We are trying to save money, and honestly, I spent half of last week sitting in sports bars for the ALDS. (We also went to Camden Yards for game 2!) I actually wouldn't have minded going last night but we also needed to take care of some housework..

Blushingflwr

@RK Fire tunein.com - has ESPN radio and other major sports coverage, and lots of other stations too.

RK Fire

@area@twitter: How is Pandaria? Are there any red pandas, which are naturally the best kind of panda?

[Former WoW player here]

@Blushingflwr: Thanks! Apparently baseball is the only reason why I'm interested in radio.

fondue with cheddar

@RK Fire Speaking of gender, I really want to make a joke about breast binding garments but I've got nothing.

area@twitter

@RK Fire Pandaria is GREAT. I was very skeptical of this expansion but I think it might be my favorite one so far. There are red pandas! Red/brown coloration and tails are some of the options on the panda models. And the Pandarians are all chunky and completely awesome, all the panda ladies have kickin' hairstyles. And there is farming and it's great, I love growing my little plot of carrots and turning it into incredible buff food. Summation of awesome: A few nights ago I did a quest that involved Lao and Son's Yakwash. It is a place where you wash your yak like a car, and if you are me you spend the whole time singing a modified version of "Car Wash". "Goin' through the Yak Wash! Ohh-ohh-ohh-ohhhh! Yak Wash, yeah!"

yeah-elle

@RK Fire I personally think the horribly grating single parent stuff Romney said last night was not only him pushing his oblivious, narrow-minded, heteronormative nuclear family bullshit, but ALSO him trying to put Obama, who was raised by a single mother, off his guard.

Similarly slimy to the VP debate where Ryan brought up families killed in car crashes in front of Biden, who lost his first wife and daughter to a car crash.

RK Fire

@area@twitter: OMFG you can play as a red panda??? I am dying here. DYING. I am almost tempted to see if my 6 year old macbook could handle the expansion.. I really liked WoW but I was never diligent enough to do all of the min-maxing/calculation of dps or whatever to be a super awesome raider or even PvPer.

catalina

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher Ugh yeah that's exactly how I heard it too. "I am going to create SO MANY JOBS that we'll be forced to hire women, cause the jobs will outnumber the qualified and unqualified men we plan to hire first."

dj pomegranate

@yeah-elle That was my thought too but doesn't that just seem so so so stupid? Denigrating single moms in front of the President who was raised by a single mom? Bringing up an irrelevant anecdote of a fatal car crash in front of a dude who is famously sympathetic to audiences because of the tragedy of his family's fatal car crash?! On what planet is alienating viewers by bringing up difficult family history a good debate tactic? (Let alone a fair/nice thing to do.)

Faintly Macabre

@catalina Or "All the companies will be doing so well that they'll even whimsically hire some incompetent women!"

fondue with cheddar

@Faintly Macabre They'll claim it's whimsy but they really hire incompetent women because they're afraid they will be inferior to the competent ones.

yeah-elle

@dj pomegranate I think it's a remarkably stupid tactic to use, but I don't think the Romney/Ryan camp is too overburdened with brains to begin with. I suppose they figured it was worth the risk if either Obama or Biden snapped or got weepy or took it personally in a way that the Republicans could then spin.

schrodingers_cat

@juksie My dad was also the one who left work early to pick the kids up from school and make dinner while I was growing up, so that part really annoyed me as well. That, the "single parents cause gun violence," and his insistence that 10x2=16 were my rage moments during the debate

Pop Pop

@PatatasBravas Ah yes internet friends! Who get Dr. Who! And Harry Potter! When they made that reference I had a brain boner- is that a thing? Anyways super off topic now.

I saw a friend post this on fb last night: PEOPLE KILL WITH GUNS BECAUSE PREMARITAL SEX. Which totally makes sense, right? Right? (Wrong)

Super Nintendo Chalmers

@Faintly Macabre A friend just sent me this Matt Yglesias piece: "I am favorably disposed toward both full employment and flexible workplace scheduling. But what Romney is saying here is that due to their family responsibilities women are burdened with an inherent disadvantage in the labor market. In conditions of full employment, firms do become desperate for workers and are willing to do things they won't do in weak labor market. High-margin businesses, for example, hand out raises to competent experienced workers. And firms of all kinds take risks on people they wouldn't otherwise go for—those who lack formal credentials, those who might have had legal problems in the past, smart people who seem to lack experience, and so forth. Romney's suggestion is that a woman—at least a woman with a family—is basically like a high school dropout with a felony conviction in his background. A marginally employable worker who'll get a job if and only if the labor market is super-tight. After all, everyone knows mom needs to be home at 5:00 to start cooking dinner."

Super Nintendo Chalmers

@Pop Pop Is this an appropriate place to talk about Ryan's soup kitchen dishwashing photo-op? Because that has been amusing me/making me mad since it happened: "Ryan had stopped by the soup kitchen for about 15 minutes on his way to the airport after his Saturday morning town hall in Youngstown. By the time he arrived, the food had already been served, the patrons had left, and the hall had been cleaned. Upon entering the soup kitchen, Ryan, his wife and three young children greeted and thanked several volunteers, then donned white aprons and offered to clean some dishes. Photographers snapped photos and TV cameras shot footage of Ryan and his family washing pots and pans that did not appear to be dirty." Ugh.

Pop Pop

@Super Nintendo Chalmers Ugh yes please let's discuss. Let's discuss the real fact that Paul Ryan probably has never washed a dish in his life. Ok, wait, there might have been that one time in college, but he swears it was an accident!

area@twitter

@RK Fire Doo eet! It's gotten more and more friendly for casual play- you can really do whatever you want with it these days. I hate and loathe PvP, but have had fun times raiding with my guild; not sure if we'll have the numbers for a full team this time around, but I'm OK with that. Let me know if you roll something up, I'm Horde-side Trollbane.

@yeah-elle I just can't even. I'm actually hoping that both of those things were just Romney and Ryan being doinks, because the idea of them exploiting their opponent's personal history like that is abhorrent.

Super Nintendo Chalmers

@Pop Pop Ha! Even looking at that picture, I'm like: no one who washes dishes/knows how to wash dishes would ever attempt to clean a big pot like that with their shirt only rolled to their wrists. I am at the point where it makes me physically angry to look at him.

BoozinSusan

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher Yeah, the way Romney phrased his commentary about companies hiring women was something like this: "The economy's going to be doing so well, companies are going to be anxious enough to start hiring women - I mean competent workers." I don't remember the exact phrasing, but it was a serious slip.

katiemcgillicuddy

@RK Fire RK, I'm rushing around all day so I unfortunately can't comment on this madness, but I'd be remiss if I didn't offer up atdhe.eu for all your sports watching needs. Decent feeds for basically every sporting event, everywhere, everyday. (Mitt Romney is a bastard).

The Frozen Head of Dorothy Zbornak

@RK Fire

In response to @RK Fire's request for a meme related to Romney's assault weapons bullshit -- as usual, the internet is on top of it:

Also: Republicans

The Frozen Head of Dorothy Zbornak

@Blushingflwr

"I'm also hard-pressed to think of something that Mitt Romney could say to get me to vote for him, short of renouncing his entire platform."

To be fair, that's basically what he's been doing the past two debates. Erghh.

Blushingflwr

@The Frozen Head of Dorothy Zbornak Fair enough. But then I just see him as a guy who will say whatever it takes to get elected and doesn't actually have a position on anything, so again, still not voting for him.

The Frozen Head of Dorothy Zbornak

@Blushingflwr

Oh, yes. Please please please do not vote for him.

sevanetta

@RK Fire I find that people who push the 'two straight parents is best' often had pretty good childhoods and didn't know many other people who had non-nuclear family situations; and are often also raising children in their own happy straight marriage. they seem to find it hard to imagine that capable and nice adults can come from any living situation growing up. they also miss the inherent privilege in that their current family choice/situation, raising kids as part of a straight couple, is the privileged and approved way to have a family. I am not sure what they think single parents, gay parents or people in abusive relationships should do to be more like them. (ps apologies if this comes across as dissing straight married parents, just noting a trend)

sherbet

@RK Fire OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY THE COMMENT ABOUT FAMILIES HAVING CHILDREN. UGH.

sorry about the all caps, but while I missed the whole binders business, I did catch that comment. And... what?!?! I think one of the things that makes me angriest about it is that, okay, you want people to plan to have children. THAT'S WHAT FAMILY PLANNING FUNDING IS FOR. People can make the choice to not have babies until they're married, if contraception is, oh, I don't know, COVERED BY THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE? But... Romney doesn't support funding of Planned Parenthood, or making sure that birth control is covered in health insurance plans. So how does he expect people to plan? Abstinence? Does he live in the real world? (obviously not.)

Not to mention the fact that that comment was a huge slam to single parent families... you made the wrong choice, you got a divorce/got pregnant young/your partner died/your partner was abusive so you left him, now your child is going to go on a killing rampage with an assault rifle! He tried so hard to backtrack on that one by talking about how hard single parents work (or whatever he said), but it was like saying "but no offense!" after telling them they're a huge failure. UGH UGH UGH everything about this has me so fired up and mad!

solaria

@Blushingflwr I live internationally (LAWL), so due to cable/time differences I never get to see any baseball. A month or two earlier than this last year I bought an MLB.TV subscription, after which the Red Sox promptly shizzed the bed. If you wait until it's nearly playoff season, the price drops to 25 bucks and you can choose between the ESPN sportscasters or your team's guys. It might not be worth it with so little time left in the season, but think about it for next year, especially if you have a nifty TV and an HDMI cable!

Blushingflwr

@Pop Pop My Gentleman Friend has (malfunctioning) cable that he has expressed interest in using next season to watch the Nationals with me (I converted him to liking baseball! this makes me Sooooo happy!). I hope to be living with him (though not in his current abode) by Opening Day 2013.
I've actually really enjoyed listening via the TuneIn app on my phone; I like sitting on the Metro and crocheting while I listen to the game. Watching on TV does have certain advantages, but there's something very charming and old-school about listening on the radio (and since half the time I'm "watching" tv I'm mostly listening anyway, not much sense in paying for the picture).

katiemcgillicuddy

@Blushingflwr Oh, a fellow Nats fan! I love listening on the radio, Charlie Slowes is the man, and despite the heartbreak of Game 5, I am holding onto his call for Jayson's walk-off in Game 4. Brilliant. Absolutely fantastic play-by-play man. Nothing like baseball on the radio.

yourpretendfriend

@RK Fire
Not to mention that the Columbine, Virginia tech, Aurora, and DC shooters all came from two parent homes.

fondue with cheddar

@yourpretendfriend Right? I've known wonderful people who came from broken homes, even abusive homes. And I've also known terrible people who came from "perfect" homes.

My boyfriend was raised by a neglectful, alcoholic single mom and he's one of the best people I've ever known.

yourpretendfriend

@fondue with cheddar
Exactly, I really don't think there is any strong correlation at all.

OhMyGoshYouGuys

They all seem to like what they see.

Sella Turcica

@OhMyGoshYouGuys I know. They all seem so much more qualified than me. I could probably intern for the bunny. Er, um, Mr. Bun.

PatatasBravas

I am happily imagining the dudes in photo #4 are a gay couple looking through a binder full of adoption agencies, adding to their family!

IN SPITE OF MITT ROMNEY'S ASSHOLERY.

beeline96

@PatatasBravas I wish I could give this a million thumbs up.

area@twitter

I can't stay for the late meeting you guys, I have to go home and cook dinner for my non-existent family, and THEN I have to iron my imaginary husband's shirts and tuck my ghost-children in. I live surrounded by the spectres of my wasted potential as a single woman.

PatatasBravas

@area@twitter Mittens is cheering for you! Gosh, you sure do have a lot of gaps to fill, he says, but I really think that I can get America working again -- and your empty womb and ringless finger are key parts of my five point plan!

Mittens also warns you that the ring should come before the kid, because single parents are the leading cause of gun violence in America!

planforamiracle

@area@twitter aaaahahhaha. amazing.

RK Fire

@PatatasBravas: A friend of a fb friend said this about the whole thing: "So if someone is shooting at you, you should throw your husband and kids in front of you?"

PatatasBravas

@RK Fire Well, uh, gee, I really think that this is the sort of thing the current administration should have labeled an act of terror right away, and uh, they didn't, not for two whole weeks! he said. I wouldn't wait that long. Heck, I think being single is an act of terror in and of itself! Mittens then offered a weak chortle.

Cawendaw

@RK Fire In that case, wouldn't it be better to remain single, and throw someone else's husband and kids in front of you?

cuminafterall

So... the answer to "How will you help working parents to succeed in their jobs" is "Wait till the economy improves, sweetheart?" RRRRR SO MUCH RAGE.

However, I can't hate too much on a man who gives me not one, not two, but THREE rings.

PatatasBravas

@cuminafterall FIVE RINGS cannot forget THE OLYMPICS THE OLYMPICS THE OLYMPICS this one time Mittens was involved with THE OLYMPICS

OhMyGoshYouGuys

@PatatasBravas Like how he successfully lobbied the federal government for MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS to fund the Olympics? Like that?

parallel-lines

I like to keep women in spiral notebooks, that way it's harder for them to escape. They must be RIPPED out of the book. Loose leaf: loose women.

hahahaha, ja.

My friend's FB post summing up Romney: "That's a good question ____. When I was [governer/running Bain/Olympics] I [was involved in this hackneyed anecdote]. In America there are [series of statistics tangentially describing the issue without giving specifics on how to resolve it]. In conclusion, I will improve the economy and that will cure cancer."

RK Fire

@hahahaha, ja.: You only need a line about labeling China a currency manipulator and you'd be golden!

hahahaha, ja.

@RK Fire: !! Oh shit, yeah! That's one thing I learned about international politics from the debate last night: Apparently, all you have to do is call a country names, and that country will go cry and do what you want. China is so sensitive.

PatatasBravas

@hahahaha, ja. MITTENS WAS ALSO NOT EVEN A GOOD GOVERNOR FOR MASSACHUSETTS he cut funding all over the place arrrgh his harping about how successful MA is drives me batty because mostly MA succeeded in spite of him.

Deval Patrick laid down a sick burn at the DNC: Mittens “talks a lot about all the things he’s fixed, but I can tell you Massachusetts wasn’t one of them."

hahahaha, ja.

@PatatasBravas: Yeees. I also like how he keeps taking credit for Massachusetts's good education system, because APPARENTLY the state's public education was just ABYSMAL before he came along and magically fixed things !!!

Lily Rowan

@PatatasBravas Also, a balanced budget? Legally required in Massachusetts.

faience

@PatatasBravas According to the NYTimes, Mittens spent most of his time either on vacation in New Hampshire or on the road fundraising for a run at the presidency. Something like over 400 known days of not being in the state doing state stuff (there are probably more vacation days that cant be accounted for). Basically while he was away the state legislature overturned all his healthcare vetoes and made that law happen as they wrote it without his interference so in some ways it might be for the best but still argh...

City_Dater

@hahahaha, ja.

Mittens was a laughably bad governor (my family all live in MA).

hahahaha, ja.

@City_Dater: Ooo, out of curiosity, what does the average person from Massachusetts think of Romney, having had some years of him already?

faience

@hahahaha, ja. My entire family (except for me) live in MA and have for their entire lives. My dad's side is all Dems while mom's a mix with mom falling on the liberal end. From the beginning they saw Romney as a sort of carpetbagger. There was a court case when he first declared that he was running for governor to determine whether or not he even could since he seemed to be paying property taxes in Utah where they are lower than in MA. This would make him non-resident and ineligible to run. Anyway the court ruled in his favor.

From their stories, he was a joke as a governor but the governor of MA is always sort of a joke. It's basically the only position a Republican can win (see Weld and Celluci before him) in the state. And in order to win he had to appear more moderate than he is now on the national stage so he's seen as more slippery than par the course for a politician. At least for my parents, he's been reduced to the story of tying the dog to the roof to go on vacation. Like that's it. Like he's not worth thinking about anymore.

highfivesforall

@faience My brain chose to interpret this sentence of yours: "There was a court case when he first declared that he was running for governor to determine whether or not he even could since he seemed to be paying property taxes in Utah where they are lower than in MA" to mean that the reason he even ran for governor was to find out whether he could, seeing as he was paying property taxes somewhere else. Which seems like par for the course for this dude. "Hey, I am crazy rich, I wonder if they'll let me do this thing over here? Lemme run for governor real quick and find out."

Lily Rowan

@hahahaha, ja. I would recommend taking Charlie Pierce as your average Massachusettsan, and read the linked article about Romneycare, among other things.

klemay

The sad part is that Mittens was the first of the two candidates to even mention women in this debate series.

formergr

@klemay Wait, didn't Obama take that question (about equal pay for women) first? So didn't he technically mention women first in this debate? Or did Romney bring up women outside of this question (entirely possible I forgot it if he did)?

klemay

@formergr Earlier in the debate, before this debacle, Romney answered a question about unemployment and mentioned women who were out of work (especially single mothers).

formergr

@klemay Oh, got it-- thanks for explaining!

adorable-eggplant

@klemay But then Romney came back with the crazy talk about single motherhood being the root of violence in our society (on stage with a very successful dude raised by a single mother) soooo it probably evens out.

ohyeahmetoo

@klemay I don't think that's sad, I think that's deliberate. At least he (or someone on his team) is aware that he needs to bring up women's issues because he (with good reason) is doing poorly with women voters. But I agree it's sad that it hasn't been talked about enough how blatantly obvious it is that Romney/Ryan don't consider women to be their equals.

kimberussell

So I need my fellow Pinners to explain to me like I'm in Kindergarten why of everything that was said last night, "binders full of women" has taken off as the big LOLjoke. Should he have said "binders full of qualified female candidates for the cabinet positions?" Or are binders themselves passe? Is it the weird and awkward phrasing? I fear that I am old and out of it, because I've worked in offices were we kept job seekers' stuff in binders. Basically I feel dumb because I don't get the joke. :/ (please help!)

PatatasBravas

@ladygypsy It sounded to me like he was ordering women off a menu, at a brothel, or like peering at a porn stash.

(not a porn 'stache, fortunately he does not have one of those)

Lily Rowan

@ladygypsy Pretty sure if he had said binders full of resumes, it would not have been as lolarious. Because you can actually put resumes in binders, due to them being pieces of paper.

stuffisthings

@ladygypsy The image I got is that he paid a witch to shrink the women down to tiny size and then trapped them inside some office supplies for his amusement.

Or, as the other commenters point out, it implies that he had never seen or heard of a talented, highly-qualified woman before, and had to send his underlings out to find some and report back their findings in binder form. I mean yeah, you may put all your intern applications in a binder, but for a high-level politician not to have ANY immediate personal connections that jump to mind even in a cynical search for a token woman is pretty dire.

I mean imagine you went up to Bill Clinton and said "Hey Bill, we have a really high-level political position opening up and we'd like to appoint a female candidate. Any ideas?" Do you think he'd rattle off some names or would he have to send somebody to fetch a binder for him?

dj pomegranate

@ladygypsy I think it was the awkward but somehow catchy phrasing + the fact that Mittens is kind of awkward anyway when trying to convey empathy + the fact that he doesn't have a great track record on "women's issues" anyway and didn't really answer the question that well. All of that combined to make a perfectly meme-able moment.

cherrispryte

@ladygypsy I also think there's a dehumanizing element to it - women aren't real people, they're something I need to get some of so I can pander to a group of voters. Also, binders are vaguely old-fashioned at this point, which makes him seem even more out of touch. Also, the whole "does not actually personally know any qualified women" thing, as well as the "this entire story is essentially untrue as he told it" thing, but that came out a bit later.

hahahaha, ja.

@ladygypsy: I also heard "binders full of women" as a sort of professional version of "some of my best friends are women!"

kimberussell

Thank you all. It says a lot about this whole political process that I'm numb to the dumb, so to speak.

formergr

@ladygypsy On top of what everyone has already replied to you, if you ever watched the show Big Love (about polygamous fundamental LDS folks), the elderly and gross leader of the polygamous cult at one point picks his next wife out of what they called a "Love Book". It was basically a binder full of of photos and descriptions of eligible underage girls for him to choose from. So with Mitt being Mormon (which yes, is not the same as FLDS, but they originated from the same place), the whole "binder full of women" thing smacked a little too close to the Love Book.

@ladygypsy It's tokenism. "Oh, I thought it would be nice to hire some women, so I tried to find some." It's like he's saying sexism should end because he suddenly thought it was a bad idea. It's that he needed to go to women's groups to find women. It's that of all the binders full of women, he could only select a few and by the end of his term, there were fewer women in leadership positions than before he took office. It's that his policies are so anti-woman, and "I hired a few!" seems to be his way of making up for it. It's that women are paid less and he's all about cheap labor. It's the he's justifying his insanely patriarchal ideas by saying "oh I'm a fine guy, I let some women work for me and employed them and shit."

I think one of the things to keep in mind is that Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts. Do you know how hard you have to look to find qualified women who can get shit done in MA? Not hard at all. It's Massachusetts, home of Harvard, MIT, Tufts, Mount Holyoke, Smith, Williams, Amherst, Brandeis, etc etc etc. Massachusetts is full of very smart, very educated women. You should not need to go to women's groups to find highly qualified women, you should know some because they are everywhere. #iliveinboston #weareoverrunwithsmartchicks #howdoyounotknowany?

stuffisthings

Binders! What a great idea! All this time I've mainly been looking in subreddits.

PatatasBravas

@stuffisthings Violentstuffisthingz?

stuffisthings

@PatatasBravas But it's perfectly legal -- if they didn't want to be in my binder, they shouldn't have been strutting around all cabinet-worthy in public!

theharpoon

@stuffisthings It made me so sad when reddit-style posts started appearing for binders full of women. Why can't they let us have this one thing?

ColdFinger

The older men with binders definitely look the most harmonious (with their binders). I think Hillary's onto something here: http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/post/33749506896

Elsajeni

@ColdFinger Would "GoogleDocs full of women" really be an improvement, though?

fondue with cheddar

@Elsajeni No.

Incidentally, I just Googled "docs full of women" and was disappointed that it did not return pictures of ladies in Dr. Martens boots. So that's not an improvement either.

TARDIStime

@Elsajeni a Cloud full of women, maybe?

ColdFinger

@Elsajeni "Spreadsheets full of women?"

ColdFinger

@fondue with cheddar HOW DO YOU DO THAT? (Post pictures on this site, that is.)

I also like the one of Bill Clinton going "Did someone say binders full of women?!" I know you've seen it.

fondue with cheddar

@ColdFinger Type <img src="" /> and put the URL of the image inside the quotation marks!

ColdFinger

@fondue with cheddar Brilliant!

teaandcakeordeath

Speaking of stock photography, today I walked past a lady eating salad at her desk. But she wasn't laughing. She was staring at a giant picture of cheesecake on her monitor. Cheer up lady!

cherrispryte

@teaandcakeordeath Sad on so many levels I can't even.

teaandcakeordeath

@cherrispryte
You know when I walked past her it just struck me how smart that post was as it just highlighted for me the dichotomy between how women live and how women appear in magazines which is why I mentioned it here, but now I think about it I feel like I've just shared a story that was unnecessarily upsetting so sorry for that.
In recompense please enjoy this heavy metal baby.

Dirty Hands

This needs rollover captions soooooo bad.

hopelessshade

What a great service he has done for people who have not decided on their halloween costume yet, though! Potential Mitts only need a binder as a distinguishing prop now, and I look forward to the sexy-binder ladycostumes, too!

stuffisthings

"Binder? I hardly know her! Yuk yuk yuk"

cupcake

As a single woman with no kids or husband i guess i am a non-person in the Romney world.

sevanetta

@cupcake I always feel like that at election time in Australia. our politicians go on about 'working families'. oh ok, I am a fulltime working single, I'll just continue quietly working for the economy and being a self-supporting citizen.

Tweetly

Okay guys can I just say that this stock photography has a rather loose definition of "binder?"

fondue with cheddar

I can't stop looking at this gif. The lady in the bottom left corner! Also the lady directly behind him.

dj pomegranate

@fondue with cheddar The women in this binder are not amused.

redheaded&crazy

Trying to understand Republicans makes me feel like one of the aliens from Earth Girls are Easy

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