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Tuesday, October 23, 2012

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How to Carry a Knockoff Designer Handbag

1. Don't?

2. Don't. Get a regular one.

3. Just really don't. Most of them are cheap because there is evil in the world.

4. If you're going to carry an evil knockoff designer handbag anyway, at least get one that looks like you could, in some stretch of the imagination, afford if it were real. Otherwise, it's obvious you're carrying an evil knockoff, which defeats the purpose. (What purpose?)

5. Don't.



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SuperGogo

I know I should stick to the topic at hand, but I really just want to know....HOW WAS THE WEDDING, JANE??????

Jane Marie

@SuperGogo haha, it was fantastic! i'm trying to decide if and when to post about it... hmmmm.

phipsi

@Jane Marie YES JUST A TEEEEEENIE POST PLEEEEASE :):):)

Olivia2.0

@Jane Marie Ummmm, Jannnneeee, I saw from your twitter that you did an amazing MASTER OF FASHION THING over your wedding dress (trying not to give it away here) maybe you should post about that???? PLEASE?????

Jolly Farton

@Jane Marie PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

Jolly Farton

@lilly pilgrim eee... except less creepy. post about it if you want, it's your private wedding and is none of my business!

jhonsons

really inspired me@j

Blackwatch Plaid

But...a lot of the real designers use sweatshops too? A higher price doesn't necessarily correlate with better pay for factory workers, unfortunately.

annev6

@Blackwatch Plaid And aren't a lot of fakes made in the same factories as the real ones? Isn't that like, how they make them look so similar (same fabric)? That's what my aunt who works in fashion has explained to me. Also I refuse to break my mom and sister's little pink hearts by coming home for Christmas empty-handed.

@Blackwatch Plaid Yeah, it sort of seems like the only difference is that the "real" one is ridiculously pricy for no reason...

bocadelperro

@Blackwatch Plaid yes! Read De-Luxe: How Luxury Lost Its Luster, it's about this phenomenon.

Julia duMais

@bocadelperro Also excellent: Overdressed! I am jazzed to hear that De-Luxe touches on similar issues; I've been meaning to read it for ages.

werewolfbarmitzvah

@annev6 Yes, the fakes tend to be made in the same factories as the real ones. So our choices are that we can either accept the fact that by needing to buy and own things occasionally, we kinda have to be complicit in whatever is going on behind the scenes to create the things we need to buy and own; or, we can all go bankrupt trying to only purchase egregiously priced locally made items in order to soothe our consciences, in which case we're still not doing the right thing, because we're helping to stifle third world economic development. Or we all go pure Unabomber-style and live in a cabin in the woods and wear the same stained old sweatpants for the rest of our lives and never buy anything from anyone again.

For the record, I've been carrying around a $20 H&M bag and strangers keep stopping to ask me about it as though it's some sort of legit designer bag, and I find that rather interesting.

Blackwatch Plaid

@bocadelperro Less to do with specifically fashion, but Stephanie Black's "Life and Debt" is a great (if slightly outdated) look at how our industries treat developing nations.

Alice

@Julia duMais Yes, definitely read it! It's amazing - I reccomend it to people all the time.

Julia duMais

@Blackwatch Plaid Pinners are so great/terrible for my "to-read" pile. One day I'm just going to post a picture of a limb that was crushed when that pile of books toppled over onto me. Probably because I was drunk and trying to get something out of it Jenga-style.

Blackwatch Plaid

@Julia duMais Mine's a documentary so you can easily finish it in an afternoon!

annev6

@werewolfbarmitzvah I own a couple real-deal Marc Jacobses that I've accumulated over Christmases past and they've held up REALLY well, and so are proving to be worth the investment. But yes, the plain leather bag I found at Goodwill seems to hold up just as well and gets just as many (if not more) inquiries. I actually got a Burberry bag as a gift once long ago (a teeny tiny shoulder one) and the strap on it broke within 3 months. The icing on that shit cake was when I went to the Burberry store and showed it to them, they refused to do anything about it because the gifter had not purchased it IN a Burberry store (even though it was real). The best they could do was give me the name of a good tailor.
Now the only designer I'll buy is Vera Bradley because it's relatively affordable and deep down I'm just an eccentric 65 year old lady.

Blackwatch Plaid

@annev6 I once got a Dooney & Bourke bag as a gift. Within a month, the enamel in the logo had fallen out. Now every time I see a girl carrying one, I check for the enamel- 9 times out of 10, theirs has fallen off too.

Julia duMais

@Blackwatch Plaid Oh good! It's easier to drink during those, too. Groping around to find the wine on the table next to me is so stressful when it's red wine and the carpet is pale.

@annev6 My love for Vera Bradley was rekindled when Ladyfriend's mom rocked one and I was like "damn, I like you."

Ladyfriend's mom is pushing 65. I also love her and aspire to be her.

EDITED to say: not in a creepy way, she's just a BAMFy lady who drinks like a fish.

annev6

@S. Elizabeth I don't know what it is about Vera Bradley. They're the handbag equivalents of splitting a bottle of wine on the deck with my great aunt. Good wholesome lush family fun. I did just look at the tag on my VB wallet though and it was made in China... but so are iPhones. So.

bocadelperro

@annev6 All the sorority girls at my southern university ten years ago carried VB bags, so I am anti-them. I can see the appeal, they're just not for me.
HOWEVER, I have one of her travel jewelry boxes and it is the BEST THING EVER. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND getting one if you travel a lot for business/are a general jewelry person.

@annev6 Exactly. I think they are cute and adorable and I love that I always know which giant duffel bag is mine at the airport because it is PINK AND AMAZING AND QUILTED.

hotdog

@annev6 Wait, what? Very Bradley? I don't think of 65 year old women, I think of every 18 year old in Ohio who doesn't have any taste. Are you guys being facetious? They are so intensely midwest mainstream popular, and so intensely horrible.

annev6

@bocadelperro OMG their storage/travel stuff is genius and amazing. I just bought the mini hanging organizer ON SALE to put my toiletries in for the gym and it is the perfect size, period. Also I got this portfolio thing that was also on sale that I carry with me always and is great if like me you end up with a lot of loose pieces of paper/receipts floating around your person. I am a walking Vera Bradley infomercial.

annev6

@hotdog I live in NYC and hardly ever see them. No I am not being facetious. To each their own, you know?

hotdog

@annev6 I live in Chicago, and in the city I hardly see them, but oh god, suburban Ohio was FILLED with girls (and their mothers) who had matching sets.

polka dots vs stripes

@hotdog Yeah maybe it's my age (mid twenties) but to me they scream sorority girl, especially the big totes/duffels, and I do not want to scream that.

Although, for my birthday my (sorority girl, also southern if you consider DC the south) friend bought me a VB ipod holder with a little clip on it, and it's turning out to be perfect to keep my work keys and ipod handy on my desk/in my purse sooooo

Lisa Frank

@hotdog I hate Vera Bradley, but love LeSportsac. I dont' know what that says about me.

polka dots vs stripes

@Lisa Frank I've loved LeSportsac since my grandma carried it in the 90s and I was totally uncool for having one too (clearly I was just ahead of the times). I will die and be buried with my LeSportsac.

bocadelperro

@polka dots vs stripes The school I went to was UVA, so.

annev6

@polka dots vs stripes I had no idea my being a former sorority girl from the south who likes Vera Bradley made me such a terrible person. Thanks guys. I guess I'll go kill myself. Peace. (kidding) (no but really)
*I'm actually from the midwest but was in a sorority in the south. Guess that means I should sterilize myself? Probably.

polka dots vs stripes

@annev6 I dk, to me it's like those black Kate Spade bags in high school - everyone has one just to have one and look cool or fit in with their chosen group. For the rest of us it just starts to look like groupthink, and we don't want to be lumped in with/stereotyped as that group. (Although I realize we are massively lumping in/stereotyping right now so, pot, kettle, black)

@annev6 Preach.

cecil hungry

@annev6 Heyyyyyyy fellow "former"-(whatever-I'm-still-active-as-an-alum)-sorority-girl-from-the-midwest-who-went-to-school-in-the-south-who-likes-VB. Holla.

annev6

@polka dots vs stripes I'm not taking offense, I've just reached an age where I really don't give a shit what my purse says about who I am as a person, therefore the mainstream-ness or whatever of the brand doesn't bother me. I just like flowers and pockets... Also if you like the iPod thing you got you should look at the VB wristlets - they hold your phone/keys/wallet stuff all in one thing that hangs off your wrist, and has an ID pocket on the outside. It's life altering.

annev6

@cecil hungry Yay! I'm not a freak!

polka dots vs stripes

@annev6 Ahhh I should disclose: in college I did have (and still use occasionally) two of the VB wallet kind of things (they were more like change purses, but with a slit and clear window for ID)...but nowadays the less often my driver's license photo sees the light of day, the better.

TheBourneApproximation

@annev6 Dang, I was a northeastern nerd girl in college, and I used a Vera Bradley purse for a large portion of those four years. Cuz they're quilted and some have nice patterns! And nice and cheap. Who knew it was actually a window into my very soul?

Nowadays my three purse questions are A) Does it zip? B) Is there a sturdy strap? C) Can I stick a Kindle inside it? I'm lucky if I switch more than once a year...

stonefruit

@Lisa Frank, @polka dots vs stripes LeSportsac, yes! In my city it's me and Asian/Asian-American ladies Of A Certain Age. I keep trying to catch their eyes and give them the "oh yeah, we're fashionable" head-nod, and they studiously evade me.

But so many pockets! and so many pouches! and so many patterns! Ahhhh I love 'em.

area@twitter

@TheBourneApproximation My purses are graded almost entirely on their ability to carry a hardback book and a Lean Cuisine to work.

polka dots vs stripes

@stonefruit and machine washable!!

bluewindgirl

@Blackwatch Plaid I buy most of my clothes secondhand (not because I'm moral, because I'm broke, and even if I had money I think I'd still be mad cheap) but I do feel like that is sort of a compromise? Like, I'm sure this was made by children but my money doesn't support that industry?

miss buenos aires

@polka dots vs stripes

So many feelings about Vera Bradley! I'd never heard of her before. This is an education.

RK Fire

@stonefruit: Hmm.... I am an Asian American lady with some age (aka "not ageless"). Should I look into LeSportsac?

[Disclosure: usually when I think of Asian Ladies of a Certain Age, I think of ladies that look like my mom, aka permed dyed hair and questionable footwear/sock choices. Hahaha. Love you, mom!]

stonefruit

@RK Fire oh! In my city it's Asian/Asian-American Women Of My Mother's Age (Which Is Mid-60s). I feel like they are all rocking the LeSportsac to much better effect than I am, but I can't quite figure out why.

I think you should look into LeSportsac b/c pockets and pouches and patterns! But then, I think everyone should.

RK Fire

@stonefruit: Hahahaha, that is awesome! Yeah, my mom is in her mid-60s as well but I think she is more of a Ross/TJ Maxx adherent. :D

Hello Jodi

@Blackwatch Plaid As someone currently living in Ohio, I can say that VB and 31 are well-represented. I think they all look like diaper bags but yea, to each her own.

Lisa Frank

I tell myself that if I buy vintage all of the guilt is on the shoulders of the original owner.

Tuna Surprise

@Lisa Frank
It's true. You're just doing a mitzvah by keeping trash out of the landfill.

Anna Jayne@twitter

@Lisa Frank it's true! That rabbit from the 1960s would have been dead by now anyway.

Judith Slutler

@Lisa Frank Yeah I really try to do this as much as possible.

Bittersweet

@Lisa Frank I almost accepted my great-grandmother's mink jacket using this reasoning after she died, but then opted out, figuring that I wouldn't be able to explain fast enough to the PETA person throwing red paint at me.

lavender gooms

@Bittersweet Pull a Malory Archer.

thisisunclear

This is why I own an absurd number of canvas tote bags. Some fancy, with zippers and leather handles and things! Some less fancy! Some free from conferences! All in all, too many.

phipsi

@thisisunclear Boyfriend, upon cohabitation: "What is in this bag?" Me: "Why, that's just my bag of bags!! OBVIOUSLY!"

SarahP

@phipsi I think my husband and I had word for word the exact same exchange when I first moved in with him.

Jane Marie

@thisisunclear This is what I meant by "a regular one." TOTES FTW! (My current is a fundraiser for Skylight Books in LA and you can get it on their website.)

Judith Slutler

@Jane Marie I am amazed you aren't carrying an NPR tote!

Smallison

@thisisunclear Bag of bags! Yes! I have one (ok, more than one), too.

Jane Marie

@Emmanuelle Cunt The closest thing to an NPR uniform. :)

polka dots vs stripes

@phipsi "What's in this plastic container?" "My purses" "What's in this one?" "My tote bags" "This one?" "My wristlets"

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

@thisisunclear
Oh my conference totes.

"Where are the car keys?"
"In my bag."
"Which one are you using today?"
"Um..."

Periodically, I sneak one into the trash, but I can't keep up with the rate at which they appear!

katerrific

My favorite is when I see women with massive fake handbags on the city bus. Lady, if that were real you would not be here with us on the 18.

beanie

@katerrific don't be fooled by the rocks that she got....they can still be Jenny from the block!*

*Joke from 2002

likethestore

@katerrific I'm on the bus as I write this carrying my (real) Marc Jacobs bag. I would rather have nice bags than a car.

jule_b_sorry

@katerrific Not that they're strictly designer, but I take a fairly expensive Coach bag onto public transit every day. It was a gift, and selling it wouldn't really get me any closer to affording a car instead....

(snaps two half-circles in the air and snips "what-evah, you don't know my life!")

Faintly Macabre

@katerrific I sat across from a young woman on the metro today who had the fakest Burberry bag I've ever seen. It was a sickly pale yellow and possibly made out of plastic. I spent the entire 20 minutes wondering WHY? Like, she must have either thought it was pretty or thought it was convincing, right? Or maybe her bag broke this morning and she found the fake Burberry in a trash heap...

waitwhat

@katerrific It sounds like you are assuming that people who take public transportation don't have a car, and that they don't have one b/c they can't afford one. There are issues of the convenience of parking and driving to consider, especially in a major metropolitan area. Also, some people, don't want a car.

katerrific

@waitwhat You know, I shouldn't have stated this so generically and I don't want to offend anyone. I was thinking very specifically of my old bus line and its riders, the vast majority of whom were clearly broke. I am including myself in this grouping. So all I meant was, for anyone riding my crappy bus line and carrying a huge Louis, that bag is suspect.

255
255

@katerrific Mine is real. And I take the bus.

lululemming

This is kinda.... I dunno. Poors shouldn't look so poor if they want to carry the status symbols of the rich because if offends your eyes? I'm not even going to touch the selective ethics of point three in contrast to the origins of some of the other stuff we're told we need to buy around here. Yikes.

lululemming

@lululemming Sorry, I can already see I was a little harsh there, but like, there's enough poor shaming in this country already without people being made to feel like trashy hicks for buying knockoff versions of thousand dollar bags because every message they get from magazines and the internet tells them it is an integral part of their identity as a successful, attractive person.

swirrlygrrl

@lululemming Agreed. Can we at least get a supplemental post about why no one should carry a deisgner handbag? Because those suckers offend me far more than the fakes.

laurel

@lululemming: I'm with you. I feel like this misses the point a bit. The easiest way to avoid supporting child labor, animal cruelty, human trafficking, etc., is to stay out of the mass market for logo goods altogether. As long as the measure of wealth in our culture is showing how ignorant/dismissive/cruel/inefficient we can afford to be, wringing our hands over authenticity seems beside the point.

Cat named Virtute

@lululemming Yeeeeep. Serious side eye here.

@lululemming I'm thinking about not reading the Hairpin anymore... between this (for the reasons you stated) and the History of Fat, the 'pin is a little cringe-worthy today.

Cat named Virtute

@S. Elizabeth Yeah, I love it here, and would hate so much to give it up, but as a broke lady with some recent weight gain that I am really fighting not to feel guilty about, I am super not into either piece, both Jami's moralizing or Jane's sanctimoniousness. I think it's aesthetically horrifying that people wear sweatpants in public, but I'm not going to write a blog post about it, right? Because sweatpants are cheap and easy, and sometimes that's the best people can manage.

hotdog

@S. Elizabeth I left the hairpin fashion club because I felt like it was a bunch of "OMG You look soooo good in that!!!!!!! You magic pixie sexy lady, nothing you do is wrong!!" and then a lot of childish whining about dudes and moms.

However, I realized that for every time it made me ragey, hey, it was good for those other people. Some people had legitimate stuff going on, and got support, and that was pretty cool. It just wasn't for me. So I silently unsubscribed. So what I'm saying is, unscubscribe?

Personally, I really liked both of the aforementioned postings.

christonacracker

woah woah woah people, I don't think Jane was saying that knockoffs are OMG SO TACKY and advising that we just save for the REAL THING - she said "don't - buy a regular bag." Hairpin is hardly the site that advises its readership to scrimp and save for a REAL LV bag. I think the point was, just buy a goddamn regular purse if you need one because knockoffs are supporting counterfeit organizations, which are less regulated. I don't think there was any intent to shame people that carry knockoffs -- just letting them know that there are some criminal/human rights undercurrents associated with counterfeiting that they may not realize.

christonacracker

@christonacracker THAT SAID, if would helpful if there were a bargain bin tie-in pointing the Hairpin readership to well-made alternatives to knockoffs and midpriced brands that don't use sweatshop labor.

fabel

@lululemming There aren't only two options, though-- it's not buy designer, or buy a shitty, obvious knockoff. You can also buy affordable, generic-brand bags. I don't see this as a poor-bashing thing at all.

collier

@christonacracker : Totally. 1) Knock-offs frequently incorporate evil. 2) If your purpose is to convey status/fashiony-ness to others, that purpose will be entirely defeated if it appears a real version of your Status Bag would be out of your price range...if that's a thing you care about.

For what it's worth, this is coming from someone who haaaaaates logo-print anything but looooooves a beautiful, well-made leather bag, and can routinely be seen in a sci-fi or band tee shirt, cargo skirt from LandsEnd, sneakers, and carrying a Botkier.

waitwhat

@swirrlygrrl Why do designer bags offend you?

swirrlygrrl

@S. Elizabeth I hope you do not leave - I regularly enjoy your comments, and would find the 'pin a sadder place if it didn't include your perspectives. That said, if you need to go, you'll always have a place in my heart.

redheaded&crazy

@hotdog Haha I should make that our slogan so people know what they're getting into!

swirrlygrrl

@waitwhat On designer bags specifically, because I have a major problem with conspicuous consumption and the fetishization of brands - someone has generally paid thousands of dollars for that bag not because they like it but because of what is symbolizes about them, and their status. I also dislike intensely the fact that "designer" doesn't in any way mean "quality" or good labour practices or ethical sourcing or environmental stewardship - in many cases, it just means high prices and high profits attached to bad practices and products.

More generally, deisgner bags are part of the branded, mainstream designer fashion industry that preys on insecurity and promotes unhealthy ideals. Fashion mags, and fashion weeks, are full of ridiclous, pompous people being celebrated and young models being exploited (walking for sample goods, rather than pay, for example).

Take this as my opinion, with all the inherent value that comes with it in the world. And note I am also offended by a lot of aspects of manufactured celebrity, paparazzi culture and other artefacts of today's mainstream society. Quite honestly, I'm crochety in general.

KatPruska

@swirrlygrrl You. I like you. Come sit down right here by me.

This is my new username

@collier Do maybe have any suggestions of where to get a well-made leather bag perhaps that is not a designer bag? I don't really hate logos, but I also don't care about them, so any suggestions on where to get a nice leather bag would be great!

highfivesforall

@This is my new username I got one of these, the one the model is holding, for crazy cheap at a yardsale, and it is the best bag ever. I would never have spent that much on a bag of my own volition, because I am a serious cheapskate, but I'm super glad I have it. It is very sturdy and holds everything, so if you're willing to lay down a couple hundred bucks or go hunting for one on sale, I highly recommend it. I have heard also that the Cambridge Satchels @Megano! mentioned downthread are really nice and last forever.

collier

@This is my new username : I frequently poke around on ebay and have found some reaaaaally great stuff there! Just go to the Handbags section, and click all the radio buttons for the styles you like (satchels, totes, etc), select New With Tags and New Without Tags, and then check the boxes for the brands you like.

Mine is a lonnnng list, but includes Rafe, Furla, Hype, Phillip Lim, Junior Drake, Dautore, Tignanello, Biasia, Kooba, Gryson, Minkoff, Tylie Malibu, Botkier, and quite a few others -- brands that I know have pretty, well-made things in fun colors and aren't all "LOGO. LOOK. LOOKIT MY LOGO. LOOK HOW MUCH I PAID FOR THIS." There're also a few stores whose bags you can count on being nice - JCrew, Boden, LandsEnd and LLBean come to mind.

LooseBaggyMonster

@S. Elizabeth Don't go! I (and I'm sure many other people) love your comments.

highfivesforall

@highfivesforall Also I guess I don't really know what designer means? Obviously all handbags were designed by someone, so is the difference just whether the logo is visible, or what? Is it like Ivy League schools, where there can only ever be 8 for some reason, and it doesn't really mean anything besides name recognition, and other schools are just as good and cheaper?

MilesofMountains

@This is my new username I am currently saving up for a Roots bag because a few people I know have them and think the world of them, but I'm pretty sure they don't count as designer. They're also made in Canada and so less likely to be sweat shop labour than some other countries.

This is my new username

@MilesofMountains Rooooooots. That is an excellent idea. I do not know why I didn't think of that before. I am actually in Canada, so that is actually a handy recommendation.

waitwhat

@swirrlygrrl thanks for sharing your perspective! Although it differs from my own, (especially the part about why people buy certain bags) I appreciate your response!

New Hoarder

@christonacracker HELLO! I can help with that! I buy Harvey's seatbelt bags, which come in all shapes, sizes, and colors, and are made from recyclable seatbelts. The company is a family business, the bags are made in their own factory attached to their Santa Ana store (made in the USA!), incredibly strong, range in price from $100-$280 or so, and are MACHINE WASHABLE. Seriously. I have about a dozen, mostly the multi-colored ones, and you would not believe the compliments I receive. I suppose they're designer, but they can hold 20+ pounds of stuff (ohhhhhhh do I put mine to the test) and I feel good about purchasing them. I've given many seatbelt wallets, and bags, as gifts and turned all of my friends on to them.

The only other "bags" I have are beach bags and recyclable grocery bags that I use as "second purses" to carry my lunch, shoes, etc. for work.

MoonBat

@redheaded&crazie This is the classiest of all of the possible classy responses, seriously.

fondue with cheddar

My handbags are cheap and aren't pretending to be anything but cheap. Everyone knows I'm cheap.

Hellcat

@fondue with cheddar Most of mine too but not because I am cheap, exactly (but sort of). It is because I am a spiller (of the bag itself and of beverages into said bag; the latter has happened twice to me in a few months), a dropper, a leave-unattended...er, a catcher-on-doorknobs/fences/other people, and a general menace to any accessory that dangles from my person. So I guess that does mean I am cheap with bags, if only because I am like clumsy gorilla and can't afford to replace anything nice so often.

Only sort-of related: I recently bought me this: http://tinyurl.com/9v55u8t, and I love it with no shame! Plus, when (not if) I spill beer on it, guess what? Easy cleanup!

fondue with cheddar

@Hellcat Heh, I'm the same way, only it's not so much me with the spilling and destruction, it's my cats. I am totally a leaver of things, though.

THAT IS THE BEST HANDBAG. I think I need one. How plastic-y is it? Is it hard? Soft? Partly hard and partly soft? I like purses that are kind of squishy, not like a lunchbox.

Hellcat

@fondue with cheddar It's shiny plastic (and the blue part is glittery!) and it stays in that shape while empty, so... too lunchboxy? It's pretty spacious though--definitely lunchbox sized; it fit two big beer glasses that my friend (and I guess me too) pilfered from a bar even with my stuff in it. I actually thought it would be smaller when I ordered it because I didn't look at the dimensions.

fondue with cheddar

@Hellcat Yeah, too big and lunchboxy. That's a shame.

Though it is cooler than my lunch bag, so...

fondue with cheddar

@Hellcat Okay, as much as I like the checkered one, I think I need this one.

Hellcat

@fondue with cheddar Yesssssssss!

Julia duMais

But Jane, if we spent all our energy going after the people who use trafficked children to make fake designer goods, who would prosecute the people who downloaded Avengers without paying for it? Get your piracy priorities -- your pirorities, if you will -- in order, please.

polka dots vs stripes

@Julia duMais "pirorities" i like it

purefog

@Julia duMais What kind of bag does a member of a pirority like?

Julia duMais

@Julia duMais I bet we could find treasure chest-looking purses on Etsy. They must be out there.

tea tray in the sky.

@Julia duMais http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pirate-Loot-Booty-Costume-Accessory-Bag-Womens-Purse-Treasure-Box-/300795969471?pt=US_Costume_Accessories&hash=item4608d63fbf

likethestore

When I saw the title of this in my twitter feed my immediate response was "Don't" so thanks for that Jane. There are so many cute cheap bags out there. No need for knockoffs.

jule_b_sorry

@likethestore And "designer" can be gotten for close-to-reasonable prices if you're patient and shop the sales...for instance, I bought a Kate Spade hobo for about $80 by getting it on sale and signing up for their email list (which snagged me an additional 10% off). I think the bag was originally priced at ~$250. I've had it for over three years now, carry it almost every day, and it shows very little wear. The price-per-use at this point is in the range of $0.25, which seems kind of reasonable.

Not that I think anyone should define themselves by their bag - just saying it's possible to get something quality at semi-reasonable prices sometimes, so no need to resign yourself to something cheap that'll fall apart.

cecil hungry

@jule_b_sorry Yeah, I have a camel leather Coach tote that I got for $70 and a black cloth purse I got for $40, both originally priced over $200 (WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY RIDICULOUS), from an outlet store + sale. I've been carrying both for over three years and they're both holding up really well--the tote used to carry my laptop every day in college, and the black purse is the only thing I carry. It was totally worth it and even though I know Coach isn't "real" designer I do kinda love the semi-cache.

Nocs

Is it bad that I don't "get" purses? I carry one, and own a few, but I do not see how spending big money on a bag would ever EVER feel like money well-spent. I just don't. Please advise?

area@twitter

@Nocs No, same here, but I think it's just one of those "different strokes for different folks" things. i.e. I wouldn't spend top dollar for a purse, but I just paid cash money for a super elaborate movie box set. At least the purse holds things.

MilesofMountains

@Nocs I don't buy "designer" handbags, but I'm currently saving up for one in the $250 range. My reasoning is that I carry it everywhere, every single day, no matter where I'm going, and will rely on it to carry loads of important things (e.g. wallet) so it's worth it for me to get one that I really like and one from a brand that has a reputation for really good quality.

MilesofMountains

@MilesofMountains Which is also why I spend lots on my eyeglasses, actually. They're on my face every day, so I want them to look good and be well made.

area@twitter

@MilesofMountains Those...are some excellent points right there. ::quietly pulls up Cole Haan website::

hotdog

@MilesofMountains I think the counter-point to that is that most of the time, the brand name bags will not hold up better than a bag 1/4 of the price. There's definitely a leveling-off point. For instance, I can't buy shoes at target anymore; the older I get, the more my feet rebel. However, there's truly not much of a difference between a $150 shoe, and an $800 shoe, other than brand and possible design.

CleverPseudonym

@area@twitter Also, JCrew has really good sale prices on their bags if you don't mind waiting for the one you love.

Megasus

@area@twitter I LOVE Cole Haan's bags! Coach is pretty good too. I will probably get one of those two brands if I ever need to buy another bag.

MilesofMountains

@hotdog Oh definitely, expensive totally doesn't mean good quality, but I think good quality shoes and bags are necessarily not dirt cheap because good material is pricey. For bags, I'd say the levelling off seems to be in the $200-$300 range. I know I'm currently feeling it with my $150 bought-off-etsy bag because the leather is too thin, so it ripped, and the buckles on the straps are cheap so they come undone every few days and I end up with the bag on the ground and an unattached strap in my hand.

polka dots vs stripes

@Nocs What @MilesofMountains said. I buy my nice bags at Marshall's, where I can get a nice Nine West or Tignanello for 30-50% off.

bitzy

@polka dots vs stripes YES. TJ Maxx and Marshall's are the best for designer bags. You do have to be open to color, though, because the nice black leather classic bags don't seem to make it that far down the food chain. I have a gorgeous red leather Michael Kors bag that is big and structured enough to carry folders for meetings but still casual enough for jeans and sweaters. It was $85 down from $600 and I treat it better than maybe anything else I own, car included.

likethestore

@Nocs My friends laugh at me because I wear $20 jeans (whatup Old Navy) but carry only designer bags. It's just my thing.

TheBourneApproximation

@Nocs Most of the designer ones always look as if they're going to fall apart in about two weeks, and they are covered in weird buckles and other bits of flair which will seem out of fashion next season and god why is this thing several hundred dollars? I do have one bag which is about $300, but that is an incredibly sturdy simple leather bag with lots of interior zips. It has lasted for several years now, and it is professional as fuck. I'm happy to spend money, but both the style and the build have to be time-resistent.

waitwhat

@likethestore YES! Old Navy Rockstar Jean leggings FTW! I (personally, as in IMHO) find that a good quality bag can elevate an entire outfit. Make that "several outfits" if you buy the right bag!

likethestore

@waitwhat I live in the Rockstar jeggings. I have denim, black, red, purple, pink and grey! For things like jeans I don't think there is a huge difference between designer and regular so I don't spend my money on them.

every tomorrow@twitter

@Nocs I'm too fat and awkwardly shaped to buy awesome clothes (rockstar jeggings ftw) so I have to get my awesome fashion jollies via accessories. Most of my clothes are cheap as hell, but I have some really awesome scarves and bags.

Chris10

@Megano! I have had great luck with Coach and Marc Jacobs.

Old Greggette

A million times YES! There are so many cute bags at lower price points. When my (much younger) co-worker comments on how she can't afford designer bags, I tell her one day she will be able to and if she still wants one at that point, she'll have the means.

Megasus

Don't spend $1000s of dollars at all -- you can get awesomely made, classic bags for under $500. I have a Cambridge Satchel and it is gorgeous, handcrafted, and real leather, and it was just under $200, including shipping and duties. Also it is pretty big. I also have a real leather knockoff of a Birkin style bag, in Kelly green, from Town Shoes that was $120 and I expect to last a million years.

hotdog

I have two vintage coach bags, one cost $10 and one cost $15. Those things are BEASTS; the leather is thick and can take a beating. They're also at least 25 years old. I'd love to see an article addressing the way designer goods are created now, and say, 20 years ago, because I do feel like quality has been terribly cheapened.

Who will write this for me, and for the rest of the lazy yet curious?

bocadelperro

@hotdog the book I mentioned upthread De-Luxe: How Luxury Lost Its Luster, is about the shift in manufacturing techniques and locations for luxury goods over the past 30 years or so. It's really worth a read.

Faintly Macabre

@hotdog Yeah, my sister and I each have old (hers was our grandmother's, mine is early 1980s) weatherproof Dooney & Burke bags, and I'm pretty sure you could stab them and/or set them on fire and they'd still look pretty good.

miss buenos aires

@bocadelperro Yes, seconding the De-Luxe recommendation. I found it fascinating.

waitwhat

Sales from knockoffs are often used to support terrorist groups and human trafficking. Well-established reasons not to buy them. But why are we assuming that there is no difference in quality and longevity for some designer bags? I have owned mid-range ($300-$700 at retail) and higher end (>$1000) bags and have found them to be quite durable. I have bought most of these bags second hand, used them...thoroughly, and have sold them for near what I paid when I wanted to move on. MBMJ, Balenciaga, Coach are good brands; Dooney & Bourke and LV coated canvas are less so. Also, short of not buying fakes, don't tell me what to do with my hard-earned money. Choosing to spend on, say, a pricey food mill, over a designer bag does not make one morally superior, it simply reveals different priorities.

collier

@waitwhat : Indeed. Priorities! I have zero interest in jewelry and would NEVER throw a significant amount of money at it. Crazy! You hardly ever wear it! Easy to lose!

But I'm not batting an eye at dropping $450 to buy two sterling dinner forks and a knife to finish out a service for six of Wallace flatware. I use that shit every day. Middle of the night yogurt eaten out of its plastic container? Fuck yes, I'm using the good silver.

And yes, Dooney ain't what it used to be. Plus, brass hardware. Ew. I'll also give a shout to Rafe who, despite sometimes overembellishing, makes some fantastically solid leather bags. I've got three that I've used and abused for 5+ years and they're still spectacular. Good investments all.

hotdog

@waitwhat I'll take the bait: Don't tell me NOT to tell you what to do with your money. There, now we both have said ridiculous things on websites.

TARDIStime

@waitwhat
"Middle of the night yogurt eaten out of its plastic container? Fuck yes, I'm using the good silver."
My mum won't use our Royal Albert Tea Set. Whenever I have guests and she's not home, guess what we're eating on/drinking out of?

collier

@TARDIStime : YES, DOOO IIIIT. Which pattern is it? I am *bonkers* for china right now...

waitwhat

@hotdog lol point taken! Tell away. Or don't. Totally your decision! I'll just handle the whether-I- actually-listen part.

hotdog

@waitwhat I like you. You have a sense of humor. I would probably also like to borrow your handbags.

Hot Doom

Thanks for this post, Jane. I knew a little bit about how pirated goods really fuck up the economy, but either hadn't read about (or forgot) the nasty way a lot of these goods are made. Yes, a lot of name- and designer brands use child labour too, but not all. This should give pause to anyone considering a knockoff or even a 'luxury' company that mass-produces its goods (which is basically all of them).

Jane Marie

@Hot Doom TOTES. :)

@Hot Doom Could we expand on how pirated goods fuck up the economy?

Julia duMais

@Jane Marie oh I see what you did there

Hot Doom

@S. Elizabeth I'm sure we can.
For one, from a basic standpoint, their sale undercuts legal trade and affects those who are producing, designing and selling the goods, and infringes on intellectual property (not that Forever 21 doesn't do this too in a bad way, but we're not talking about them right now). this might not actually be a huge problem for companies like Coach, but it can affect smaller-scale businesses whose designs do get ripped off.

Alli525

I spent $250-300 (I forget) on a GORGEOUS teal leather bag and got 3 years of Every. Single. Day use out of it until it basically fell apart. I then convinced a guy whom I hated but whom I had also gotten a temp job at Cole Haan to buy me something out of their sample sale so I got another "name brand" purse for $10 I think... but now the only "purse" I use is a dark purple quilted totebag that I got as a bridesmaid gift. It's monogrammed!! Way cooler.

area@twitter

Sooooooooo anyone have good resources to check on the labor practices of different labels? i.e. I was talking up Cole Haan upthread, but I wouldn't be able to enjoy something from them if it was made in Godawful conditions.

christonacracker

@area@twitter There are some midpriced brands that are still made in the US -- just be careful to check the label. Anything with patent leather is generally made in China, even if the brand tends to otherwise manufacture domestically. Some Rebecca Minkoff bags are still made in NYC.

Julia duMais

@area@twitter Seconding this. I've found a few brands after a long-ass time searching, but some kind of central listing would be really handy.

RK Fire

@Julia duMais: I'm just going to jump onto this thread in case someone mentions some brands.

MilesofMountains

@Julia duMais I was mentioning Roots above. They are made in Canada, and I believe the leather for most of them is from Italy or France, so I'm hoping that means minimal sweat-shop contribution.

TARDIStime

@MilesofMountains
There is Shop Ethical for Australians. They have an app and everything:
http://www.outware.com.au/shopethical/ShopEthical.html

up cubed

@area@twitter I am not sure if this is more ethical, but it is domestic (for US readers) http://www.acontinuouslean.com/the-american-list/

Judith Slutler

But seriously though, that crosshatch pattern above (I've honestly forgotten what brand it's from) has now entered the fashion vernacular, right? Like, I see 16 year olds wearing hot pink baseball caps with that pattern or a vague equivalent. Streetwear brands have all imitated / parodied it. I don't even know if it particularly counts as a knockoff in my brain anymore, it's something that wholly belongs to the teenage girls who love carrying that type of bag.

collier

@Emmanuelle Cunt : Don't even get me started on the profusion of logo-print accessories, which has preposterously trickled down from LV and Gucci, to Coach, to Dooney, to Liz Claiborne, to Random Discount Department Store Brands. It is asinine, and I don't understand it. It's not a particularly attractive look in most cases, and ... are you trying to fool somebody or what? I just don't get it.

And on the real ones -- I'm not paying for the privilege of advertising your company. Also, that's icky looking. Also, five bills for a canvas and nylon bag? That is truly hilarious.

redheaded&crazy

I have a few coach bags because I went through a phase. But a bag that I use every day really only lasts me a season anyway ... I don't mean that it wears out or gets broken or dirty (although some do) but, the next year ... I want something new! Heyoooo consumerist culture!

So yeah the bag I bought for this winter was super cheap and I'm happy about that. I feel like I'm growing up. Kind of. Whatever.

Hellcat

@redheaded&crazie Sort of similarly, I'm kind of a one-bag-at-a-time person mostly--and sadly, I am attached to unisex-looking messenger bags (I love 'em!). I do have a few reasonably priced (as opposed to my mainly cheap) ones that I mostly just find on sale out of pure luck (this is my best find, if anyone cares: http://www.polyvore.com/lucky_brand_abbey_road_purple/thing?id=7802270--$26!). But... I do have a fake Gucci, the one that looks like a doctor bag, I guess. I found it at a Salvation Army for a whopping $6 and the best part is, the original counterfeiter wasn't even trying: the pattern and the lining and the leather are nice enough but the zipper, oh my goodness! It's a huge, dingy-looking thing that belongs on an old, cheap suitcase or something. But I love that bag anyway.

ThatWench

@Hellcat Nothing sad about gender-ambiguous messenger bags! I hated carrying a purse ever since I graduated college and my friends told me I had to get one for my post-backpack years (messenger bags are for interns, they said). I got super excited when carrying my bike helmet around meant I could go back to backpacks, and then more so when the cross-body bag trend came around. I now have a generic one of those that's just big enough for kindle + wallet + tampons. Infinitely better than something clutched in just one armpit.

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@Hellcat Where do you find you gender neutral messenger bags? I want one. I am just apparently stalking this thread unitl I find somewhere to buy a nice leather messenger bag that is not a bajillion dollars.

Hellcat

@This is my new username TARGET, guys' section. Also, army/navy stores, though these are pretty rough in texture. My favorite one came from Old Navy years and years ago--standard messenger bag shape but the fabric was softer. But it finally died...

bocadelperro

@This is my new username I had a surplus NATO medic bag for years. http://www.amazon.com/Nato-Canvas-Medic-Olive-Drab/dp/B0013OAAZW

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

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bocadelperro

@Rock and Roll Ken Doll yeah, that definitely gets to the point (and leaves some essentials out). Mine was big enough to fit an 12" powerbook (aaah I am dating myself) as well as all the essentials--wallet, keys, tissues, pens, etc. Anyway, I kept it until I left it out all day at the beach and the colors got all funky. By that time it was ~7 years old and the leather was cracking and the corners were frayed, but it really was a great bag.

Jolly Farton

Tangentially related (also revealing myself as a tacky, tasteless bumpkin?) - this past month I've sort of been crazy about those quilted cotton bags, like the kind by Vera Bradley, and actually bought two of them via eBay... Does this mean I have the taste of a 62 year old who loves Mary Engelbreit and all things Hallmark-y? Actually, maybe. Yes. Maybe.

Hellcat

@lilly pilgrim Ahahhahahahaaa, no, I don't think it means that but the Mary Engelbreit part made me laugh! Plus, the Hallmark Channel shows The Golden Girls and Frasier all the time (though with words like "butt" bleeped out) so it is awesome.

Jolly Farton

@Hellcat They bleep out "butt"!?!!! Haha wow. I actually haven't watched too much of the Hallmark Channel (no cable, only to save money), but I do genuinely love Mary Engelbreit. I don't know, I fucking love whimsy.

Nocs

@lilly pilgrim I want "I fucking love whimsy." on a plaque or something. Maybe painted onto a piece of china?

hotdog

@lilly pilgrim I seriously think no one here has ever been to a mall in the midwest, ever. Is it just southwestern ohio where sorority girls in training love the vera??

Hellcat

@lilly pilgrim Yes! Somehow a "slut" was left alone (when said by Bea Arthur) but when Frasier's Roz said "pain in the butt," there was a bleep! And "bitch." What? I don't get it either.

Plant Fire

@lilly pilgrim hahaha no I wouldn't worry about that. I think recently it's become much more popular with younger people? Mainly college students around age 18-20 (I've actually never seen a Vera Bradley bag outside of a college campus) so people are more likely to associate them with leggings and sororities than old ladies. That said, while I've never owned one I imagine they're really practical because you can toss them in the wash.

collier

@Nocs : I think Meissen makes one? Check with Michael C Fina...

MissMushkila

@hotdog I have been to many malls in Minnesota and Iowa, and I teach high school in MN: I've never seen a Vera Bradley item prior to reading the comments here (at which time, I naturally went and looked them up)

All the girls here who want to spend ridiculous quantities of money on purses - ridiculous on a high school budget - buy Coach items.

Jolly Farton

@hotdog @Sea Ermine Ohio sorority girls and college campuses! I had no idea - I'm in NYC and I had never even heard of Vera Bradley until recently, when a mysterious force instructed me to google "quilted cotton bags"....... but anyway yes, machine-washable!

@Hellcat If they were doing it right ("right") everything Sophia says would just be one long bleep

baked bean

@lilly pilgrim
I have never heard of that brand, but they have quilted bags that look a lot like that at my local Wallgreens. I think that's where all the ones I see around here are from. I can't imagine the quality varies a lot? They're soft and quilted right?

And yes, I think they are cute, but I am kind of old-lady like.

Plant Fire

@lilly pilgrim To be fair, my knowledge of the brand is limited but it's just really associated in my mind with sororities because I first moved to the US for college a couple years ago (in suburban DE) and that was the THING to own for all the girls and everyone wanted one so I was fascinated because I'd never seen one before. I haven't seen them in NYC yet though. I bet they'd be good for travel because since they are soft so if you filled them with clothes you can use them as a makeshift pillow. For camping too I bet.

Decca

what if i don't own a bag and just carry all my stuff around in the crook of my arms?

RK Fire

@Decca: I do this whenever I'm running a quick errand. What, I have small hands? So what? I'll try to hold on to my wallet/keys/cell phone in one hand anyway, and you can't stop me!

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@Decca Like a sea otter! They keep a rock that is good for prying open shellfish in their armpit pocket!

Decca

@This is my new username I am a sea otter!

Bittersweet

@This is my new username Why don't humans have armpit pockets? Granted, things might get a bit ripe on a hot day, but who cares? It'd still be wicked convenient.

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@Bittersweet I know right!

Chris10

@Bittersweet Or a waist pouch, easier to get to than an armpit. Like a Kangaroo! Think of the storage!

miss buenos aires

I sort of can't believe no one has mentioned this, but I just read a book called The Honest Truth about Dishonesty, and the author mentions a study where half the group was given designer sunglasses (Chloé, I think) and they other half was given the exact same sunglasses but told they were fakes. The people who believed they were wearing fakes were more likely to cheat in whatever honesty test the researchers were doing. I wonder what the larger implications of everyone buying fake designer stuff might be on a society-wide level...

Rock and Roll Ken Doll

@miss buenos aires
Haha, at lunch today we were comparing the merits of downloading music in violation of copyright, versus buying "senior" movie tickets from the ticket kiosk.

255
255

I like things that are just the way I want them to be. I was looking at Coach bags, designs constantly flawed, and then realized what the hell, the king of bags is my love Marc Jacobs who is also Louis Vuitton. There at MJ I found my perfect bag, well actually no, a woman on the train was carrying it and I asked her what is that perfect thing and she gave me the revelation. I saved some money by buying it (and authenticating it) on ebay. I adore it so so much, but I always wonder if I should tell people it's a fake to assuage my constant fears of it getting stolen. I carry it around all the time, it's not like a special times bag. I like things that are real bc it's an investment, it will last forever, and this particular buy was to commemorate freedom, for a once in a lifetime occasion, not just bc I wanted something nice or some crap. I would rather have less and have nice bc it just lasts so much longer in my experience.

255
255

@:Cinnamon Girl:: Ok there was a comment here and now it is not here... but I will respond anyway.

Authentication: http://forum.purseblog.com/marc-jacobs/authenticate-marc-jacobs-please-read-rules-suggested-format-693652.html. I used this, also the ebay seller said I could take it into any Nordstroms and get it authenticated and they would take the bag back if I had any doubts. The first website worked so so well so I didn't have to take it to Nordstrom's.

There are so many long threads here that I can agree with about bags and their evilness, so now I actually feel silly posting my real thoughts above when everyone else is so much better than me. Should I have checked first as to the way the wind was blowing in the comments before being honest?

Having something I use every day in multiple situations--I was tired of bags breaking, or not being right when I had to go into a more professional situation (I have a job where appearance matters) so I'd have to switch bags when I don't really actually have a bag that looked super nice, or not being able to hold enough like a sweater and a score/book and all my crap and not break, or yes, having 10,000 canvas bags that all end up as trash, making more and more trash, when I can just have one bag for all occasions and use it *forever* cutting down on the real clutter and mental clutter. And I bought it as a fuck you to my ex who wouldn't have approved of it. One pain in the ass thing is that it can't get wet, and I don't want the bottom to get scratched on the ground or rough surfaces, so I'm a bit careful with that sort of thing. I can't kick it around at a bar like my 10,000 canvas bags or the thrift store Coach bag I have.

And how different is the culture of "designer" bags from the small trendy brands so I can fit into the pixie hipster girl club?

waitwhat

@255 One thing that has always struck me about the internet is that what ever you are into or against, you can find your niche. This thread is definitely the reverse of TPF! There have been valid things said here about the cultural and socioeconomic ramifications of buying designer bags. Please know that your opinions that lean another way are valuable as well! It takes all types to create a Hairpin village.

plumb-bob

@255 I don't think you're a bad person for spending money on good quality stuff that you love. I try to go by the 'buy less stuff, of better quality' philosophy as well. Things that are well made, with good quality materials, and are well designed, will last a lot longer and create less waste.

I don't really spend on bags - my vice is more furniture and light fittings. And I won't buy fakes of those either! I'd prefer to save up, or buy second-hand, or support a more affordable designer by buying something original from them instead. (I'm a designer and intellectual property rights are an important consideration for me, and that's another area where knock-offs are unethical.)

Of course, not being filthy rich, this means I am still living with a lot of the second hand furniture I moved out of home with 15 years ago, but that's OK!

plumb-bob

@plumb-bob (formerly Pixa) (and also sometimes I buy cheap crap too, because I'm cheap, or just philosophically lazy.)

baked bean

So my purse is a $3 one I got at the Salvation Army. I bought it because it's small and the strap is long so I can put it over my shoulder and not have to hold it with my hands. I have used it every day for a year now and plan to for a long time. It's pleather, but I can make it sound cooler if I call it "vegan" right?

Also I hate "brands." I hate when they are visible. I like quality, and if I want cheap I try to go used because I feel less guilty about the waste. But I just can't fathom paying extra for a brand just because it's a brand. Sometimes that's all it is, it's not always a step up in quality.

anachronistique

@baked bean The whole "vegan leather" thing does crack me up. Rebranding!

Chris10

@anachronistique Haha! A lot of my "fun" bags are Vegan leather! I'm keeping that in my fashion vocab!

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@btcstore13 Do you have designer knock-off handbags? 'Cause I was thinking about buying one...

robbermaiden89

Am I the only one who doesn't understand the appeal of designer bags? Most of them are ugly and cost way more than my rent. I just don't understand why you would want to spend that much on a BAG. I think Urban Outfitters' prices are exorbitant, for a bag, and they're like $50.
GAH I don't get people

waitwhat

A point I haven't seen mentioned yet: Designer does not equal logos. In fact, the more expensive designer bags (eg. Margiela) usually have high end materials, quality construction and no visible ID. They might be recognized by people familiar with the type of bag, but not by casual observers. Which begs the question: If no one knows that your bag was expensive, does the designer bag wearer = status chaser equation still work?

likethestore

@waitwhat Most of my designer bags don't have logos. I don't care if other people can't recognize them. I know they're designer and that makes me happy.

megsisbestest

The fashion industry has put on a very good marketing campaign about the evils of counterfeit designer goods and making the public think that they are one of the primary sources of terrorism funding. In actuality funding for terrorism comes from oil and other petroleum by-products, drugs, human trafficking, arms trade, private donors, counterfeit money, etc. Conditions for factory workers in China are awful no matter what they are making, whether it is a fake purse or more wal-mart crap

D.@twitter

One of my more crushing moments was realizing that a Prada bag I had gotten on ebay was an artful (i.e. real leather, convincing logos) fake. Also, I didn't realize this until 2-3 years later, after I had been proudly running around showing off my bag and pitying poor souls who just hadn't /thought/ to check on ebay! In retrospect, I feel like a total moron, but I think I was just extremely naive/thought for some reason ebay would police the advertising claims of their sellers.

Chris10

Ok, so I'm from Indy and no one knows if a bag is real or not around here unless they are a big fish in our small pond. I know I have a knock off that I bought in NY(Chinatown street vendor) last month for a friend. I just have no idea what it's knocking off if anything! Haaaa! I have several real Coaches, a Marc Jacobs and a much more affordable Kathy that I love. Everyone has Coaches around here and I'm over them. The Kathy Van Zeeland gets comments daily and it's made of plastic! Still makes me smile though. The purse in question has a multi-colored leaf pattern on a light cream background and seems to be real leather. Shoulder strap and buckles/trim are black and the zippers are white with Silver pulls that are oval and have an A in the center. The A is textured and looks the same from both sides. That is the only distinguishing thing on the whole purse. Stitching is ok, not perfect, but not horrible. No labels say anything. Any ideas??? Or is it just a cute, affordable purse from NY that isn't knocking anything off?!

Laura Rodgers@twitter

There's so much weird sumptuary classism in this whole "knockoff bags are teh evulz!" thing.

I don't know. Buy a bag you like, carry your stuff in it. If you're in a position where you're able to care about these things, try to make sure the conditions and materials that went toward making your bag line up with your ethics. Or put your shit in your pockets, but have fun trying to buy lady clothes with pockets big enough to let you do that.

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@waitwhat Most of my designer bags don't have logos. I don't care if other people can't recognize them. I know they're designer and that makes me happy. Tissot PRC200

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