Thursday, August 2, 2012


Ask a Clean Person: Still With the Armpits

Apparently it's still summer, and apparently I'm still banging on about your armpits. How's about that?!

Last week we talked a whole bunch about armpits and yellow stained shirts and sweat and I feel like it was therapeutic for everyone involved. Which is so great! The other great thing that happened was that you all did indeed share your secrets, as I expected you would. And because your secrets were so delightful, and so helpful, I wanted to be sure to give them their proper place in the sun, so to speak (your secrets are probably sweating). Which is what we're going to do today! Once I get done talking to you about OxiClean because I'm me and I can't not talk to you about OxiClean.

Oxi Technique

Before we get into your secrets, I think I need to back this (clean, so so clean) train up and talk to you about your OxiClean technique. A number of you noted that using Oxi didn't do anything to help cure your 'pit stains, when others of you were practically rapturous describing the miracle visited unto your white t-shirts, and I'm pretty sure I know why. Some of you are just tossing it in the laundry, which is a good thing to do (Oxi is what's known as a laundry booster, which means that it works with your detergent to bring an increased stain-busting and brightening effect to your washables) but just adding a scoop to your wash isn't going to touch a really tough 'pit stain. So we have to get a little more advanced.

The people who have had luck seemed to all use the same basic technique of using Oxi as a paste/soaking agent. I generally use my kitchen sink for pre-treating, but you can use a giant bowl or a bucket or anything that can hold water, really. The other thing is you do need to get in there and agitate a bit, especially when we're talking about the stiff, crunchy, yellow stains caused by perspiration + deodorant. I find that with heavily soiled items, spending some time rubbing the fabric against itself to really work the cleaning solution in and the gunky substances out is the way to go. As I like to say around here, you've gotta do a lil' chh-chh frottage action with your Oxi.

Now then, if you truly cannot get the Oxi to work for you, commenter iknowright offers this alternative solution. 

I have to wear white shirts for work and they usually get those gross yellow pit stains within a couple of months; I tried using OxiClean on them and it didn't work. But!

My magical solution (for white shirts): 1 part water, 1 part hydrogen peroxide, 1 part baking soda. Mix into a paste and spoon out onto sweat stains. Use your fingers to mix the paste into the shirts. Wash on cold, then tumble dry.

Seriously, this worked brilliantly and got stains out of shirts that are over 5 years old. I used it on all kinds of t-shirts and also on dress shirts. I was never so excited doing laundry in my life! It basically made me feel like I had a brand new wardrobe (no more awkward holding-down-elbow-to-hip-to-hide-stains workdays for me)!

Also, hydrogen peroxide and baking soda are super cheap, so I didn't feel any guilt in using a ton of both. Try it! Feel like a Laundry God! You can thank me later!

A number of you also noted the restorative power of sunshine on your whites; if you have access to enough secure outdoor space that this is an option for you I can indeed confirm that it is a truly solid one.

Deodorant Round-up

Wow, you all had a lot to say about deodorant! I read through every single one of the 250+ comments and pulled out allllllllllll the tips you offered about various types, brands, and alternatives to deodorant, and here's what I learned:

It turns out that a number of you are using dude deodorant to great effect. Super! A common issue with using deodorant aimed at men is the scent, which is often stronger than those aimed at women and also, you know, dudelier. But it seems like a bunch of you have found unscented options that you like.

There is a brand called Boots that makes a deodorant that commenter Ophelia swears by:

I found some Boots brand deodorant/antiperspirant at a drugstore in Thailand, and I love it. It seems to be far less pit-stain-inducing than any of the brands I was using before? But I can't find it in the US, so now I buy it in bulk whenever I go through Heathrow. To their credit, the cashiers don't even blink at the American girl buying 5 things of deodorant for a plane ride.

Also, the smell is "cotton" and it just smells like clean laundry. Sigh.

Commenter Fiddle dee dee (the GWTW-lover in me is obsessed with this handle) swears by Certain Dri:

I feel like I must share. I used to have horrible pit sweat at times of stress, like dripping down the inside of my shirt kinda thing. Horrible. My life was changed by Certain Dri. It stings a little after application, but it works so well and lasts for days. I teach, and not having to worrying about pitting out in front of my students is such a relief.

I do think it is aluminum-based product, so no help here for the allergic, sorry.

Reader KColdiron chimes in to sing the praises of Drysol (I already like it because it sounds like Lysol):

I'm sorry that I didn't read all of the comments above, in case my solution has already been mentioned, but I have to say: DRYSOL!

When I was a teenager and a college student, I constantly sweated through every shirt I owned, winter, summer, whenever, and it was horribly embarrassing. My suitemate in college turned me on to a prescription formulation called Drysol (don't know the generic name for it), which you put on at night and then wash off in the morning. It can feel sting-y, and you should definitely wear an old shirt to bed, because it's very chemical-y. But it completely got rid of the sweat problem and from then on I was able to use a normal deodorant and not sweat through my shirts at all.

After a month or so of using it I only had to use it at night every six months or so, and now it's once every couple of years. (I don't know why this is; maybe it kills sweat glands or closes them up or something?) It is AWESOME.

Ask your doctor.

Also do you know that our very own Edith has things to say on the subject? She does.

But it's also important to remember that all bodies are made differently and there's no panacea. What if you just can't find a deodorant/antiperspirant that works for you? Well, it turns out a bunch of you have tried Botox to curb underarm sweating. Here's what you had to say about it.

Botox Tales

Anchovy Cake offers up this, in re: Botox for the underarms:

I had Botox done in my 'pits. The problems are twofold: (1) it's temporary, it lasts about 3 months and (2) your body will just sweat elsewhere. I had nasty sweaty feet and hands instead of sweaty armpits. I didn't go in for another injection because I didn't like being Clammy Hands McGee anymore than I liked being Sweaty Pits Gal.

On another note, Edith's touting of the Soapwalla deodorant is spot on as that product is uhhMazing. I sweat zillions of times less and I no longer stain shirts.

While Tuna Surprise provides this account:

I did it with a much better experience. The first time I did it, it was like living a dream. I bought white t-shirts. I wore button down oxfords. All the things I had stopped doing years before.

I didn't sweat elsewhere and for the most part I was lasting closer to six months. I eventually stopped doing it because it was a major hassle to get my insurance to re-approve the shots. Now that I've switched providers I may try again.

Here are two more success stories from S. Elizabeth and kelsmo23:

I had Botox done on my pits 4 years ago and it lasted for a LONG time. The sweat starts coming back bit by bit by bit, but it's mild. 4 years later, I'm still way less sweaty than I was before.

But yeah, Botox ... for the first 8 months or so, I could workout in the blazing heat and not sweat in my arm pits. However, I had more boobage sweat when I worked out, but absolutely no more "oh hey I just woke up and 5 minutes into breakfast, my gray shirt has pit marks!"

Oddly enough, I never got pit marks when I was asleep. Bodies are weird.

I sweat a ridiculous amount, and it was worse when I was a teenager, I got the botox shots and it lasted about 9 months. It was the best 9 months of my teenage life, I could wear coloured clothes and light fabrics! It boosted my self confidence and I actually felt pretty. The only downside was how expensive it is, but if you can afford it I would absolutely recommend botox :)

And finally, a bit about insurance coverage from Tuna Surprise:

My insurance covered it. If you're insured, talk to you dr. about it. My dermatologist diagnosed me with hyperhidrosis and the whole thing was covered except for a $20 co-pay. And if you don't get it covered, she also gave me a prescription deodorant that although it didn't work quite as well, was much better than over the counter stuff.

Other Solutions

T-shirts: one of you asked for recommendations for t-shirts to wear under winter-weight wool dresses. Which is both lovely and horrific to think about in August. The brand that sprang to my mind is Petit Bateau. Other suggestions included the tissue weight tees from the Gap or J.Crew, and Hanes men's undershirts/tank tops.

Oh also! I totally forgot to tell you that I was chillin' with a scientist friend of mine who explained that your t-shirts are made of protein. And I got allllllllllllll excited that I made the connection that the aluminum in deodorant is not only reacting with sweat (protein) but also with your shirt itself. Because I am apparently the world's biggest dork.

Moving along!

Slips: Whoa! I am SO glad I detoured a bit to mention my slip habit because you all turned me on to a whole bunch of other options when it comes to slip purchasing. Among which are:

By the by, the Vermont Country Store is AMAZING. You guys, they have an entire department devoted to muumuus. I … need to take a moment to collect myself. And then I need to buy this. And this. And this. And also this. Oh oh and this one too ooooh I love it so much you guys!!

While I'm busy collecting myself, a final thought on the subject of slips from Kirs:

I will now extol the virtues of slips. I love them. It is a crime that they are not more readily available. I think it might be part of a conspiracy to make us all go to the dry cleaner more often.

Plus I feel damn sexy when I wear a slip. Mine aren't like, crazy sexy or anything, but wearing a wee bit of lace under my very-serious-lawyering outfit puts a jump in my step.

And man, boys sure love them. A lot. Had more than one gentleman caller gasp/sigh "Jesus Christ, is that slip?" in the most admiring way possible.

And yes, Gap has a few options (as does H&M sometimes). But I suggest you raid the world of vintage — check ebay, thrift stores, your grandmother's closet (I scored a couple of awesome ones from her), etc. ... And then you can find some in fun colors. I've got a skirt slip that is bright red. I love it.

BOOM! Let's all start wearing slips, okay?? Okay!

Dress Shields: many of you noted that dress shields can be found in the notions section of most fabric stores (JoAnn's and the like) as well as the sort of old-school department store that are sadly closing at all too fast a clip.

Also someone asked if men can wear dress shields, and yes they can! The modern term for them is "garment shields" and Klienert's makes allllllll kinds of 'em for the menfolk.

Vitamins: this totally blew my mind, and yet it makes a lot of sense! Our reader FoleySparrow takes supplements to help curb her overactive sweat glands. (Check with your doctor before you do this!)

I used to have tons of sweat and horrible pit smells no matter what I used (man products, clinical strength, old fashioned baking powder – nothing worked). I ruined so many clothes.

The only thing that worked, and worked absolute wonders, was taking daily detox supplements, those herbal pills full of stuff like Milk Thistle and Clover. Weird, right? But worked like a champ. And perhaps made me otherwise healthier? I dunno. I just got tired of sweating through everything and throwing out good clothes I couldn't properly clean!

Nowadays you can get them at drugstores and grocery stores. I used to have to go to old hippy pharmacies or vitamin shops, and always felt the need to explain I wasn't trying to pass a UA, I just had really sweaty pits that no external product could help. (Oversharing, yes. And no, they didn't care.) But nowadays 'detox' regimens are mainstream, you can find lots of options anywhere.

I can't explain what the detox supplements do, except make me sweat A LOT LESS (maybe the sweat I do release is more 'productive' or something, so my body makes less of it?). And the sweat I do sweat *stinks astronomically less.* Seriously! As long as I'm taking daily detox supplements, my sweat don't stink. Ha! I think it makes the toxins exit my body in other ways so my system doesn't have to only direct them to my poor, overburdened sweat glands.

"Daily Detox" by Wellements is a really good product that works wonders. It's also the most cost-effective one. I still order it off Amazon. It's been around for years. Check it out all my sweat-producing sisters. You can use this plus your man products, clinical products, lady products, all-natural products, or whatever, and have non-smelly, much less sweaty pits! Good luck!

Miss B chimed in with a similar suggestion to take fenugreek supplements, which make everything smell like maple and oh have I ever mentioned here that maple is my favorite flavor note? If you take fenugreek supplements and let me come over to sniff you; I'll, like, wash your floors for you or something.

For people who think they are overly sweat-stinky ... try taking fenugreek supplements. It's what new moms take, it helps with breastfeeding/milk production, I think? But a major side effect of taking it every day, is it makes your sweat (and I think maybe your pee and all bodily secretions) smell like maple syrup. So, if you like maple syrup and you are a very sweaty person, maybe try that?

However, a new problem was brought to light by ThundaCunt and so I'll toss this to you along with one suggestion from me:

Pit sweat. Allllmost the worse. Wanna know whats worse-er?? Butt cheek sweat. That's right folks. The worst, immediate place I sweat is right up under my cheeks and around the FUPA....*sigh* I think I literally sweated my ass off many years ago. In high school I had to bring a change of panties to gym class. It was that bad!! I live in Florida. There is no AC in my car. I mean it's ass sweat every where I go!! The little half smiley faces on the back of my legs. *hangs head in shame* I don't even know how to BEGIN to combat that shit!!

I wonder if samkay's suggestion to try acupuncture is the solution to ThundaCunt's problem. If not, Kleinert's makes sweatproof underwear and now we all know that.

And then there were those of you shoving pantyliners in your blouses. I'm just gonna leave it to you all to explain yourselves.

Previously: 'Pits, Revisited.

Jolie Kerr is not paid to endorse any of the products mentioned in this column, but she sure would be very happy to accept any free samples the manufacturers care to send her way! Are you curious to know if she's answered a question you have? Do check out the archives, listed by topic. More importantly: is anything you own dirty?

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What should a good slip be made of? I try not to wear polyester, especially against my skin, because it gets stinky and falls apart. But most of the slips I've seen (especially vintage ones) appear to be made of synthetic fibers. Will I have the same problem, or should I just go for it?


@wallsdonotfall Silk, maybe? I can't imagine that cotton would work out very well, because it could cause too much friction in the fabrics and it loses its shape so easily. I used to wear a lot of vintage slips made out of rayon, though, and they surprisingly didn't cause many problems.

The Lady of Shalott

@wallsdonotfall Silk or a cotton blend--maybe not 100% cotton, but a cotton derivative might work.

Rayon is like the old-school version of polyester, so you might have better luck with it? But go with silk if you can afford it!


@wallsdonotfall I have one in a silk knit that I really like. Mary Green makes them in tons of colors, although wait till there's a sale to get them.


@wallsdonotfall Silk is good. WinterSilks has a ton of silk (dur) suitable for warm or cool weather.


@wallsdonotfall Can silk bike shorts be a thing? I really want them to be a thing. Down with Chub Rub!!

New Commenter Name

WinterSilks! I just spent way too much valuable work time looking at every single thing on that site and now I want a whole bunch of it. Thank you for giving me something new to covet.


@Alli525 Not exactly bike shorts, but behold: silk petti-pants. Those are more tap-pants length, but petti-pants and culotte slips exist in longer lengths too.


@wallsdonotfall Ok, so: Rayon, while the earliest man-made fiber, is made of cellulose (like cotton, hemp, linen etc). It's just had a little more science added. Polyester is completely chemical. That's why rayon breathes a lot more than polyester. So: look for vintage RAYON slips.

Want to tell the difference? Burn a little piece. If it smells like burning paper, it's rayon; if it smells like burning plastic, it's polyester. (I teach a class where the students get to try this. They LOVE it.)


@Grundoon@twitter Rayon or silk it is. Thanks, y'all.

Shilo Byrd@twitter

@wallsdonotfall Rayon is totally not an old-school polyester!

Rayon is a natural fiber made of wood pulp. As such it breathes and is definitely a solid cheaper alternative to silk when you want something floaty and breathable.

I am a womenswear designer and use it all the time for linings and summer-weight garment. Rayon RULES.


Just finished reading,nice@y


My unhelpful comment: FUPA - I call that the "fatty pad" :)

Helpful comment: foot sweating can be moderated by soaking your tootsies in a tea bath. Steep some black tea bags for a few mins. in a large enough tub to accommodate one or both feet, and soak in it for another 10 or so. Your feet might change color from the tannins but apparently this is the best way to keep your feet from stinking.


@Mabissa Or you can do what ballet dancers do and buy the stuff you smear on your feet to keep them from sweating. I can't recall the name of it, but you can definitely find it at your local dancewear store.


@Bambi Is it like a powder? If I want to wear shoes without socks I always rub baking soda in to the soles of my feet and inside the shoes. Works perfectly. The tea thing sounds interesting..


Wait a minute, Jolie - how can t-shirts be made of protein? Animal fibers (wool, silk) are protein based, but cotton is just cellulose? Which is why the dying process for animal vs. plant fibers is so different...


@liverwortlaura That's what I was thinking too... cellulose is not a protein, it's a starch.


@liverwortlaura This hi-protein cotton has been irrigated with Brawndo. It's got what plants crave.


I need to go on a tangent here--how do you get the dinginess out of white when the full item is not white?

Specifically, I have white towels with lovely green trim and bed linens with a white and pale blue pattern. Both have looked better. Is there a way to get them brighter without totally bleaching out the colors?

sarah girl

@OhMarie Please don't quote me on this, but I'd think OxiClean would be a good option? Because it isn't a bleach. I don't know for sure, though!

The Lady of Shalott

@OhMarie BLUING!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluing_(fabric)


@OhMarie Yeah, OxiClean soak! I think it actually brightens the colour too!


@The Lady of Shalott You know, I was just remembering the Clean Person mention of bluing. I had never even heard of this before, but it would actually probably be perfect for my needs, since the colors are all blue-based.



This sounds like something OxyClean could solve -- I use it for washing white beach towels with green stripes and other such things and it hasn't had a bad effect on the color.

sarah girl

@The Lady of Shalott HAH, I actually did bluing entirely by accident the other day - a dark blue jean skirt ended up in my load of light clothes. My whites look awesome!

Plant Fire

@OhMarie Maybe bluing?




@redheaded&crazie chh-chh chh-chh


not just for getting dirty anymore!

sarah girl

For sweatiness in the downstairs areas, I've heard that good old-fashioned baby powder after a shower can do the trick. BUT, you need to get the cornstarch kind, NOT talc - apparently, talc around your sensitive bits is suspected to be carcinogenic!


@Sarah H. I have done this in sweaty restaurant kitchen + working doubles in the summertime situations and it was A Disaster for me. Yeast infections, blergh. But that's not to say it may not work for others! Just use caution!


@Sarah H. For what it's worth, Reddit tells me that dudes swear by Gold Bond Powder for general downstairs sweatiness.

Jolie Kerr

@Kristen OH MY GOD KRISTEN DO NOT PUT GOLD BOND ON YOUR PARTS IF YOU ARE A LADY PERSON. PLEASE TRUST ME ON THIS. PLEASE. (I'm yelling because I love you and want to impress upon you how seriously you should take this advice.)


@Jolie Kerr Okay good I'm not alone here! Yes listen to this advice because I have been there and it was awful.


@Jolie Kerr No worries, I feel the love through that yell!

sudden but inevitable betrayal

@Jolie Kerr Dying to know why...???


@Sarah H. I put antiperspirant on the footsies and in the crease between thigh & ladybits, and I don't know if it changes anything or just makes me feel more prepped for Florida Summer. But I do know that other than mild slipperiness in my flip-flops, there is no adverse affect.


@MoonBat Srsly. If I couldnt use POWDER all around downstairs IDK what I would do!! Never had a lady bits problem! If I really need to ready myself for battle with Florida heat I spray Degree aerosol deoderant allllll around the backs of my legs, butt, lady parts, FUPA and what not...then powder the under the panty areas and proceed with dark colors that will hide sweat....Seriously, your lady parts are filthy, get rid of them!!!

I feel super awesome the Jolie mentioned me! :)

sarah girl

@sudden but inevitable betrayal One word: Menthol.

sudden but inevitable betrayal

@Sarah H. Ohhhhhh...eughhh.


@ThundaCunt *nodding* True, true. Always with the blackest black gym clothes, replaced when faded. And the carrying around of the little towel to dry off the machines after. Butts! As if they're not revolting enough, now they need to pour sweat?!?

Oh, squiggles

One order of fenugreek for me please.


Ha! Thanks for the shout-out ;)

I have to say this post and the previous one were incredibly helpful! I am really intrigued by fenugreek/smelling like maple (I am Canadian after all) and I look forward to adding slips to my wardrobe and feeling more lady-like.

Might I now open up a discussion about body powder and whether/how it is used? Lush Silky Underwear for the win! But I have yet to find a way to use it to feel less sweaty on ridiculous humid days without leaving white stains on my clothes...


Oh, Jolie, you're just the best. I love your cute turns of phrase and your general shiny disposition in tackling the tough questions. Fan-4-Lyfe!


I LOVE a full slip. Think Elizabeth Taylor in the first half of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. I wish I could find them with underwires in my bra size more often, but yes.


YES. Her in the slip and Paul Newman in his PJ's. Such a good movie and so much eye candy.


Paul Newman ohmygod.


Ok, I need more info about the Boots brand deodorant. They have many different ones. I'm going to Scotland next week (I know, right?) and am prepared to bring back a box load. I've been using Arm & Hammer, because hey, no aluminum and the tube swears no armpit stains, but that claim seems to be bollocks.

Aaaand someone may have already said this about the OxiClean, but if you are washing delicates on cold, they recommend mixing it into warm water before adding to cold. I was so damn grateful to Jolie on this, because my summer workhorse white denim skirt (GOES WITH ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING) got weird yellowy panels all over, and the OxiClean helped lots.


I'm wearing a slip right now! If I can turn one lady onto the virtues of slips, my job will be done. ;-)


I am so going to go hulk out on my fiance's undershirts and get all those yellows out. This is my weekend goal.


Can I ask a nitpicky question about Oxi soaking? I've been making the paste, which mostly works but also frustrates me because it's not a paste that sticks, it's a wet sand clump that sometimes just falls off the fabric and argh. Can someone who uses it as a soaking agent give me some idea what the ratio should be? like 1-2 scoopfuls for one of those standard all-purpose buckets filled halfway?


@TN Yeah, I have this problem, too. I just stuck the clump of wet oxy sand on to a stain, smeared it all around and hoped for the best. There must be a better way!

nevernude cutoffs

@TN I just did the bucket soaking based on a pinner's advice, and it absolutely worked for me. I got the Versatile Stain Remover Powder, and the directions were on the container. I think I did between 4-6 scoops for a quart of water, mixed it in the bucket and soaked my clothes in it for about 10 hours. (Just did it in the morning, and did my laundry when I got home that evening). And I put a scoop of OxiClean in the machine, and used bleach when I washed them. Voilà!

Creature Cheeseman

People might mistake the maple syrup smell for northrax.


My natural pit odor is already pretty maple syrupy. I wonder if someone's been slipping me fenugreek.


@Opos This whole fenugreek thing possibly explains why one of my favorite students last semester reeked of maple syrup-- in the nicest way!-- constantly. It took us like a week to figure out who smelled like pancakes, and then everyone liked it, so he wasn't offended.


My mother wouldn't let me out of the house without a slip when I was a kid, and I never grew out of the habit. I think it took me until college to realize that I was the only one wearing them. I always get mine at Macy's or places like Marshalls and Filene's though.


@sprayfaint THIS. My mother and grandmother both told me it would make my dresses hang properly, and that good clothes were designed with the assumption that the right undergarments were worn underneath.


Heavens, Jolie, you just made my bright-white-shirt-wearin' day! *fans self*


@iknowright RIGHT!!!


"chh-chh frottage" made me LOL

fondue with cheddar

@MsMisery Me too. It also turned me on just a tiny bit.


@jen325 Come over tonight and I'll rub my shirts together for you.

fondue with cheddar

@Xanthophyllippa Why don't we rub our shirts together...chh-chh!


Thank you, iknowright!! I do swear by Oxy, but my lab coat is being challenging; an Oxy bath helped, but there are still ground-in stains around the cuffs and a little up on the collar. I will try your water/hydrogen peroxide/baking soda magic paste, thank you!


@area@twitter There's always bleach and a good, old-fashioned manual scrubbing. (I'm assuming the lab coat is white?)


@celeec4@twitter It is indeed a white lab coat. Bleach is going to be the the next step if the magic of baking soda and hydrogen peroxide doesn't come through.


@area@twitter I used to go straight to bleach since I was like, I bet there's horrifying stuff/bacteria on here. But now...I just drop mine in the department laundry basket. <3


@area@twitter My pleasure! I did try it on my boyfriend's chef jacket, and it worked after doing it twice...I don't think I put enough elbow grease into it the first time (ew, good thing elbow grease isn't a thing, right?). I hope it works for you!

Fiddle dee dee

As god is my witness, I'll never have pit stains again.

Bon Vivant

I wear slips almost every day, and those links are giving me FEVAH! Also, ladies, your local thrift store is the bees knees for finding slips and amazing old lingerie. When sassy old ladies clean out their closets or die, THAT is where amazing stuff ends up.

fondue with cheddar

I just want to say that I'm really looking forward to the Indelicate Questions.


@jen325 Same!


@jen325 Me Too!


I really want to love on the idea of slips under my dresses. However, I live in Texas, where it is summer 10 months out of 12. The idea of wearing TWO layers of clothing when it is 104F outside makes me want to cry. But slips! So pretty!


Drysol guys! Drysol changed my life, seriously. And you don't even need a prescription for it, if you live in Canada.


I bought a couple of slips after buying a couple of unlined skirts and sundresses that were way too see-through. Seriously -- one sundress I got from H&M was very light and cute, but you could see aaaaall of my business through it. Full slip, bam, dress stays cute and my business remains my business.

Slips also make it possible to wear bike-shorts style underwear (which I find more comfortable) under unlined skirts/dresses without the skirts/dresses sticking to the legs of the underwear and getting all bunchy and weird-looking.

Slips: basically a cheat code for femme clothing.

Faintly Macabre

JOLIE I got embarassingly excited that you mentioned my dorky question! And the Petit Bateau suggestion is actually perfect--I'll have less laundry/buckets access because I'm moving to France, and there are loads of Petit Bateau stores there. So if I am not 100% broke, I will have an endless supply of women's undertees!

In the meantime, though, I'm ebaying the other lovely commenters' suggestions for tissue-tee sources.

I love having a safe place for my laundry obsessions, where people totally why there are clothes all over my room because I haven't found the perfect way to clean them...

Faintly Macabre

JOLIE I got embarassingly excited that you mentioned my dorky question! And the Petit Bateau suggestion is actually perfect--I'll have less laundry/buckets access because I'm moving to France, and there are loads of Petit Bateau stores there. So if I am not 100% broke, I will have an endless supply of women's undertees!

In the meantime, though, I'm ebaying the other lovely commenters' suggestions for tissue-tee sources.

I love having a safe place for my laundry obsessions, where people totally why there are clothes all over my room because I haven't found the perfect way to clean them...

Faintly Macabre

Aaahh so excited I posted twice. sorry

nevernude cutoffs

Ok-- Farr West Lingerie. You are creating a MONSTER!

I want/can't afford all of it.


Fascinated to know I am not the only person plagued with the Sweaty Pits from Hell. I've used Drysol to excellent effect, but now am considering asking my dermatologist if Botox in the pits is covered by my insurance. I almost did a clinical trial of this years ago, but getting pit shots terrified me and I backed out.

By the way, not only does the Vermont Country Store have a muumuu section, they also stock an impressive assortment of vibrators. Really.


I'm intrigued by slips. How does it not feel like a second dress?


Here's a personal hygiene and beauty secret nobody ever told me about, but I found out on my own: exercise. I was NEVER athletic but, over time, became a runner about 10 years ago (I'm in my late 30s now.) Sweat-wise, you do have a certain number of toxins your body needs to be rid of, so if you block up those pits (ie, Botox, above) those stinky toxins will come out in feet and hands, still stinky. But you know how work-out clothes always get so stinky? This is because when you run/dance/whatever you do that makes you sweat, you pump all that stuff out megahard, all at once. And you know what, do that every day and you do not need a strong deodorant because the rest of your sweat will not have the stinky toxins in it. That natural stuff or most days nothing at all works just fine. You do not need it. The stink is in your workout clothes (which may be another laundry problem, but whatever.) I'm a stylish NYC woman, not a hippie, I shave, have a SoHo stylist I see regularly a designer clothes habit, hot boy/girl friends, etc and I do not use deodorant. Obviously I don't have a diagnosable perspiration problem, like some friends of mine, but pre-running I did sweat more and I did stink and I did need deodorant and now I do not.

The other things I don't need that I once bought by the gallon, zit creams, masques, astringents, anything to deal with all the blackheads and awful zits I had constantly. But sweat through your face once a day on a run, pump the toxins through the skin, and I'm great with a warm wash with the Cetaphil bar. No extra acne or pore products needed. For me, it seems, maybe not for everyone: I can buy all that shit--deodorants and face products--or I can get the same benefit by moving my body, and I mean really moving it. (Stairmaster + magazine won't do it for me.) Guess which one feels better, day to day and over the long term?

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