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Wednesday, August 29, 2012

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It Was the Best of Times...

It was much harder to get into fights with your fans when you had to pause to sharpen your quill.

In case you give up part way through, someone also links to this Harry Potter fanfic showdown of great historical significance (in the history of fanfic, obviously.)

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anachronistique

Nooooo not the MsScribe story, I have work to get done today!

Kinloch

@anachronistique THIS. Yes, I do not have time to disappear into Fandom-wank...

nicolarz

@anachronistique It still kills me that she is now a bestselling author.

Judith Slutler

@anachronistique I have no interest in fanfic and yet I once read that entire saga. Man it is bizarre what some people will do for attention.

@nicolarz, seriously??? What did she write?

anachronistique

@nicolarz I'm not gonna lie, my hackles go up whenever I see her books.

@Emmanuelle Cunt Cassandra Claire? She's got a couple of wildly popular YA series as Cassandra Clare (because the I makes all the difference) - the Mortal Instruments and the Infernal Devices. Mortal Instruments is notorious as basically being a straight ripoff of her Harry Potter fic with the names and a few other details replaced. (Also, I admit to being hugely biased against Cassie, so others may disagree!)

Kinloch

@nicolarz Didn't she get a laptop out of her fans?

the ninth tailor

@Kinloch Like three laptops! And an iPod. Those were the days.

JessicaLovejoy

@anachronistique Some of the casting for the Mortal Instruments MOVIE has been released, so the story is popping up again.

Tiktaalik

@anachronistique Wait, are MsScribe and Cassie Claire the same person? I never thought they were. Also, not that I am really jumping to CC's defense, but the plot of the Mortal Instruments trilogy is not really anything like Harry Potter, although I will admit it has been a while since I read those books (Mortal Instruments, not HP). She is a halfway decent writer, but I just never trust that it's actually HER writing after the whole plagiarism thing.

I never did understand why people were so willing to send her expensive electronics, though.

darklingplain

@Tiktaalik No, they're not the same person (though that would be an intriguing conspiracy theory).

Kinloch

@the ninth tailor I remember a nutjob in Smallville that requested lip gloss.

Tangentially related to FW- I experience a real life fake-cancer fraud! The whole time during the saga, I kept thinking, if this were the internet- she would have a sockpuppet and flounce off. Real-Life flounces are almost as amusing as fake ones.

anachronistique

@Tiktaalik Not as far as I know, but Cassie was wound up in all this, so it comes to mind. Also the other big Bad Penny thing was the plagiarism debacle, so. And I will defer to people on Mortal Instruments as I have not and will not read those books.

anorktopus

@anachronistique Ugh, I think of Cassie Claire's mainstream success as my greatest fandom disappoinment in contrast to my glee at the MsScribe expose.

Scandyhoovian

@anorktopus I will never, ever read Cassandra Clare's books or watch any movies made of them or anything ever, and it's all because I cannot wrap my head around how her history as a flagrant and unapologetic plagiarist in fandom hasn't somehow kept her from "making the big time," as it were.

anorktopus

@Scandyhoovian Sometimes I wonder if there are people in the Twilight fandom who felt the same way about the 50 Shades author that I felt about Cassie Claire, and how they must be so full of rage at her success. But then I think the Twilight fandom could never have had as sophisticated a social structure as the HP fandom, and I feel better.

royaljunk

@anachronistique Any time I see her books anywhere, I cringe.

darklingplain

@anorktopus In fact, there is a MsScribe Story style write-up of the events surrounding 50 Shades: http://gentleblaze.livejournal.com/

I love when my link-hoarding becomes useful!

VDRE

@anorktopus HP fandom is truly the best/worst. I basically spent high school eagerly reading HP fandom drama/trying to prevent drama from happening in the community I was part of.

maybe partying will help

@VDRE

I was too wrapped up in Star Wars fandom in high school to really care about other fandom dramz, but occasionally I dipped into LOTR and HP stuff, and man those waters were sharky. An amusingly stressful time to be young on the Internet!

anorktopus

@darklingplain There goes my afternoon!
@VDRE I know! I basically spent high school participating in meaningless shipping wars and watching fights between inner circles.

darklingplain

@anorktopus It's not nearly as long as The MsScribe Story, or as well written, but it's an interesting window into Twilight fandom.

anorktopus

@anachronistique Despite recognizing the username you were replying to, I still read your comment as beginning with "Cunt Cassandra Claire." How approp.

VDRE

@maybe partying will help I actually had to get out of fandom completely when I started college because it had gotten too stressful. Fandom is serious business!

Derevkova

@Scandyhoovian If I ever, for some reason, see her at a panel or at a bookstore, or something, I'm going to ask about how she feels about plagiarism. Except in an exceptionally vicious way.

schrodingers_cat

@Derevkova Oooh, I would love that. Except that I purposely avoid anything she's part of.

dale

@Scandyhoovian I am right there with you. So many other good books out there to read, why would I waste my time with the books of someone I don't like?

ajayne

@Derevkova I think I'm the only person not harboring bad feelings towards her. I've read three of her published books and they are really, truly terrible (why did I continue after the first one? No clue) but the Draco Trilogy was fantastic--better than many of the sources she copied from. I mean I tried those Pamela Dean books she stole excerpts from and they are unfathomably boring. She's also great at plotting out a story, and funny in her own right (LotR Diaries, anyone?)--she has definite strengths as a writer which is what made her wildly popular to begin with. I totally understand people being angry and critical and I certainly do not condone plagiarism; I remember being shocked and disgusted when all of this plagiarism stuff came out. But now I think it's almost funny how much drama unfurled over plagiarism in a piece of fanfiction which by nature itself is derivative.

yarabollocks

@anachronistique
Back when the Draco Trilogy was still in process I had an email conversation with her, pointing out that she had "borrowed" a story point from Roger Zelazny's Amber books. She said she thought it was "very different" and that she barely even remembers reading that part despite being a Zelazny fan, and that was that. Before that I sort of enjoyed her stories, despite her being utterly shitty to Ron all the time. (Why the Ron hate fandom??), but afterwards I just couldn't keep reading.

Meh.

P.S. I miss the harry potter fandom :( :(

anorktopus

@ajayne Yes! The Very Secret Diaries were hilarious. For those wondering, I think they are all here: http://cassieclaire.livejournal.com/

timesnewroman

@yarabollocks My corner of the fandom (that I sometimes still inhabit...) had nothing but love for Ron!! Er, just so everyone knows...

@ajayne I don't really hate her either, mainly because I wasn't that involved in her drama/never really read her stuff, but also because I can't forget that the lotr diaries brought me many hours of happiness as a lonely 13 year old.

ajayne

@timesnewroman @yarabollocks Ron is my favorite. That crap in Draco Trilogy always pissed me off. Who doesn't like Ron?!

redheaded&crazy

@ajayne WHO DOESNT LIKE RON

Nicole Cliffe

I do not care for Ron.

timesnewroman

@redheaded&crazie in the hp fandom??? let's not go there!!

not me not me not me i am eeeaaaasy for ronald weasley

yarabollocks

@redheaded&crazie
COMMIES AND NAZIS THAT'S WHO

Aaminah Khan@facebook

@anachronistique Nope, you're not the only one! I get super mad every time I see her books in shelves. My boyfriend has heard the "Cassie Claire is the WORST EVER" rant from me soooooo many times.

Also, guilty confession: I have the entire Ms Scribe story saved to my hard drive, and re-read it every now and then the same way I re-read novels I love.

Aaminah Khan@facebook

@Scandyhoovian Didn't she have a contact who was already a well-regarded YA author who basically got her the book deal? Holly Black or something?

maybe partying will help

Tiffs and infighting in fanfic is the Internet rabbit hole most likely to make me disappear for days. Once in grad school I looked up something on fandomwank for ACTUAL RESEARCH PURPOSES (the paper was something about fic writers making the big time and how this affects literature blah blah) and then like 3 hours later I found myself justifying why I was reading about Snapewives to my study group.

More topically, I'm gettin' real tired of some authors' bullshit.

anachronistique

@maybe partying will help MARRIED ON THE ASTRAL PLANE!

maybe partying will help

@anachronistique

NEVER GETS OLD. NEVER.

Daisy Razor

@anachronistique Oh my god, "Married on the astral plane" on The Hairpin. I feel like my worlds are colliding.

maybe partying will help

@Daisy Razor

Sometimes I think that the Hairpin is just a figment of my imagination, because there's no way SO MANY of my interests could be present so often (see: that poem about German movies, how often lit threads just turn out to be L.M. Montgomery wankfests, Snapewives).

angelan

@maybe partying will help For me, nothing is ever going to beat the one where the guy's wife turned out to be a horse.

anachronistique

@Daisy Razor I KNOW RIGHT. I can't have an existential crisis over my past fandoms! I have work to do!

(Remember the TATTOOS?)

VDRE

@maybe partying will help MY HEAD IS PASTED ON YAY

maybe partying will help

@VDRE

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm hanging out with Elijah Wood RIGHT NOW.

entangled

@maybe partying will help I am so goth I bartend in the dark.

VDRE

@maybe partying will help Yeah well Dominic Monaghan is currently lying on my bead so I'm definitely not jealous.

@angelan HIS WIFE? A HORSE.

WhiskeySour

@maybe partying will help
It's things like this that remind me that y'all are definitely my people.

Daisy Razor

@entangled But have you ever outwalked a hurricane?

the ninth tailor

@maybe partying will help But is Elijah really like the moon???

anachronistique

@Daisy Razor God, why are you bringing this up, you're all just like the mean girls from high school.

VDRE

@maybe partying will help Also that drama always makes me think of this video even though they're obviously unrelated.

RK Fire

@maybe partying will help: I know you're all saying this too, but I used to read Fandom Wank and the HP fandom craziness actually persuaded me to read the books so I could see what all of the nuttiness is about! And now it is being acknowledge on The Hairpin and I'm not sure but I think I can die of happiness now. worlds collide indeed.

Kate Kane

Threads like this completely justify still being awake and on the internet at 3am.

(Also I somehow got myself into the position of explaining Snapewives to my mother, while out to dinner. She was amused and the waitress came back to refill our water glasses just in time for "married on the astral plane.")

Lariope

@angelan Our son? A bird!

I saw that guy on Tumblr recently. Still crazy.

Emby

I started reading that Harry Potter thing and finished the first page then saw "Page 1 of 82" AND WHAT THE MOTHER EFFING EFF??? I don't begrudge anyone their own particular fascinations and obsessions, and lord knows I might sweat someone's opinion of a Tom Stoppard play for a few minutes, but c'mon. C'mon.

shar pei side-eye

@Emby Those are just the pages of comments. The actual MsScribe story only has six chapters. There's no way it would be as notorious as it is if everyone had to read 82 pages, no one online has that kind of attention span.

di
di

@Emby Those are just the pages of comments for that preface, not pages of this story. Although that's quite long too.

Emby

@shar pei side-eye Ohhhhhhh OK. All right.

OhShesArtsy

@Emby Yeah. This. I mean, I'll have a fun discussion about something I like but I can't imagine getting into an actual argument if I disagreed. I mean, come on, people. It's just entertainment....

Jillsy Sloper

@Emby There's a short version here:
http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/The_Ms._Scribe_Story

TARDIStime

@Jillsy Sloper
I was so glad to click this link for a less-productivity-affecting version of the MsScribe story but my stupid work thinks it's porn! Don't they know they're just stunting my productivity further by not letting me get my fandomwank on?!?!

Daisy Razor

WARNING: The Ms. Scribe story will eat your life. I don't know shit about Harry Potter fandom, but I found myself anxiously awaiting every Bad Penny update and going "Whaaaaat? WHAAAAAT?" as everything got crazier and crazier.

shar pei side-eye

@Daisy Razor I've never been involved with fandom but I LOVE it when drama leaks out like this, for just that reason. It's this whole secret area of the internet I know nothing about, full of infighting and fanfiction intrigue just waiting to be discovered!

Judith Slutler

@Daisy Razor EXACTLY. I lost track of all the pseudonyms and acronyms and fanfic site names because I'd never heard of any of them, but I was still sucked into it!

The internet is a scary place, dudes

anachronistique

@Daisy Razor I'm slightly horrified that my internet past has come back to bite me. On the Hairpin, of all places. (By which I mean I was a frequent FW commenter, not... actually involved in any of the Bad Penny stuff.)

SarahP

@anachronistique MS SCRIBE IS THAT YOU

anachronistique

@SarahP GOD, NO.

(But how would you know if I was?)

sophia_h

@Daisy Razor Oh man, the time when the story was being released was one of my favorite times EVER in 13 years of being in fandom! It was like the world's best soap opera, only it was REAL.

And also!! I went back and found Msscribe commented on a post of mine from 2004 when I found a HP author plagiarizing an old X-Files story! Defending the plagiarist, obvs. It was amazing.

Daisy Razor

@anachronistique Oh, I was a dedicated FW lurker (too lazy to get a JF account!). I've only ever been active in one fandom, but that fandom went 0 to 60, small to batshit crazy in just about 3 seasons.

@sophia_h I was unemployed when it was being posted, and I remember literally sitting there refreshing the page, waiting for an update.

the ninth tailor

@Daisy Razor Supernatural?

schrodingers_cat

@anachronistique It's kind of amazing how many FW commenters are also on the hairpin.

Daisy Razor

@the ninth tailor Got it in one! I'm still baffled as to how everything went insane there.

the ninth tailor

@Daisy Razor SPN fandom is one of the dark mysteries of the internet. I'm actually following them wanking up a storm on AfterElton right now.

schrodingers_cat

@Daisy Razor SPN fandom is amazing to watch. I don't even watch the show anymore, I just watch the wank. But they are trying hard to be the undisputed champions of wanking. Did anyone else follow the storm over Jared and the music video last week?

Apocalypstick

@Daisy Razor You've been touched by fame! And as a Person on the Internet, have a non-zero chance of being Msscribe. Statisticly, somewhere there is a fandom consisting soley of 2 real people and their sockpuppets, in a permanent state of ever-stirred wank like Jupiter's Red Spot.

Kate Kane

@anachronistique Aren't we all MsScribe? (Unless we're caito.)

royaljunk

Ohhh man, Fandom Drama is totally my weakness. I'll be entertained for the rest of the day!

Heat Signature

People sure are nuts.

MissMushkila

The first link about an author harassing commenters who gave negative reviews online was CRAZY. I have never read the author, but now I definitely won't. Death threats!!??

the ninth tailor

@MissMushkila You can't just let readers interrogate your text from the wrong perspective like that!

OhMarie

@MissMushkila Yeah, that was crazy bananas. I'm actually kind of shocked that it was coming from the author's husband and assistant. Crazy fans are one thing, but that kind of "official" harassment is nutso.

Disco Sheets

@MissMushkila My eyes are rolling SO HARD at the author, her husband, and her assistant acting like petty high schoolers. Folks, hire someone to manage your PR, because you're all failing miserably.

TheBourneApproximation

@Disco Sheets Yeah, my main reaction to this story was pretty much "These are adults we're talking about, and not preteen girls?" The power of the internet and social networking to make people behave like vindictive children is amazing, whether it's fandom, comments on political blogs, videogame websites, etc. Maybe all the adult maturity we show in "real" life is just a front, and all of us are really like this at heart. *Curls up on floor in tiny, scared ball.*

Megasus

@MissMushkila Yeah seriously. Never read her stuff, and now I'm not going to. Not that it seems like something I would read anyway.

Baby Fish Mouth

@MissMushkila Did you see the author's response to the death threats? Blaming her for not deleting the review? Just insane.

MissMushkila

@Disco Sheets Yeah, the Harry Potter one did not shock me as much, because I've grown up with internet and people will say a lot of crazy shit when they are anonymous (or using puppet screen names), but she, her husband, and her assistant used their facebook with their actual names. It's such a stunning display of a lack of awareness for appropriate social behavior!

schrodingers_cat

@MissMushkila There was a whole month earlier in the spring where a new instance of authors behaving badly was popping up at least once a week. It was WONDERFUL.

HeyThatsMyBike

@Wiscowhitney Right? Like "If she didn't want to get death threats, she shouldn't have said she didn't like my book/childish behavior."

HeyThatsMyBike

@MissMushkila Also because this was #2 on the NYT Bestseller list. It's not like her sales tanked because of a few bad reviews.

Kinloch

Goodbye Productivity! Nicole came between us today, and severed our relationship prematurely.

SarahP

What is this world you have introduced me to.

SarahP

One thing I can't get over is how much time these people must have. Can you imagine having the time to create different personas to defend/attack your work? Or to respond to everything everyone says to/about you?

I want to have enough free time to have that dramatic a life.

anorktopus

@SarahP From what I remember, the most active people were high school or college students, freelance writers, or stay-at-home parents. Nothing against those groups, but they give you a certain schedule flexibility that I'd never have today -- but oh I SURE DID back then!

entangled

@anorktopus or college students who then became depressed, lonely twenty somethings living in a city with very few friends (well, until they realized they could start hanging out offline with the same people they were talking to online at which point all of a sudden they had tons of friends and no more time for fic). not that I know *anything* about that.

Oh, and also a lot of people with really dull desk jobs who basically screwed around at work whenever there wasn't anything to do. Again, totally unfamiliar!

anorktopus

@entangled This is the first time I've de-lurked on the Hairpin and I have a feeling that phenomenon is about to get a lot more familiar to me.

entangled

@anorktopus yeah, once I delurk somewhere, I end up with this torrent of stuff to say.

karenb

oh man. i would like to say that i had forgotten all about the MsScribe drama, but NO, that would be a lie. i saw that link and knew EXACTLY where it was going to take me.
must. close. tab. be. productive. working.

crisisalert

Tangentially related Harry Potter fan fic, but I know it will be appreciated here: If Aaron Sorkin Had Written Harry Potter (http://www.pitypie.com/post/30224269945/you-know-how-nerdy-i-am-earlier-this-evening-i)

darklingplain

The MsScribe story is seriously epic. I have a MsScribe scarf that I knitted as I read it the first time.

JessicaLovejoy

@darklingplain That scarf was sewn together from pieces of other scarves!

darklingplain

@JessicaLovejoy It's made out of sock(puppet)s!

anorktopus

Nicoooole! When you wrote about The Mists of Avalon, I lurked and didn't register. When someone posted in "Good Books that Define You" about the Vanyel trilogy AND Guy Gavriel Kay, I STILL didn't register. But now you are linking to the MsScribe story, which I was SUPER INVOLVED WITH in high school! Sometimes I can't believe how relevant to my interests the Hairpin is. This was my favorite fandom conspiracy theory back in the day -- I would stay up long hours of the night IMing with my HP friends, diligently developing our case and documenting the evidence instead of doing my math homework. It was a great satisfaction when Charlotte finally wrote the expose, although by then I was well into college and hadn't had anything to do with fandom in years. I was also out of the country without internet access at the time, so I totally missed the massive fallout, speculation, and glee that ensued. But still! Isn't this story GREAT?

Kinloch

@anorktopus I spent so much time following this story in college- I nearly failed three classes. Good times!

"Kin, why are you bleary-eyed and look hungover? Late night party?" "No, Fandom Wank." Seriously- my parents never needed to worry about me going out and getting into trouble- I was way too addicted to watching Internet Drama.

anorktopus

@Kinloch Awesome. If I had known you in college, maybe I wouldn't have missed out on the entire implosion of this part of the HP fandom -- a moment I had waited for for so many years!

Kinloch

@anorktopus If I had a real life person to discuss this with during college, I would have definitely failed all three classes and more! :)

Still it would have been worth it.

anachronistique

@anorktopus This was how I spent my summer between college and grad school: staying up all night, reading every page and link and comment, and shoving my fist in my mouth to stifle my howls of glee.

anorktopus

@anachronistique I was at an internet cafe in another country when I got an email linking me to the whole thing, and I had literally TWO HOURS to read all the chapters and the reactions. I know it's begging for a "congratulations, how wonderful" to add that I then went on safari for a week, but seriously, FANDOM DRAMA DEPRIVATION.

VDRE

@anorktopus I was in another country with very limited internet access during lj strikethrough 2007, it was terrible. So much missed drama!

anorktopus

@VDRE I totally forgot about that! Ah, they heyday of the Internet...

terrific

One of the things I've found as my adult life has proceeded along: most of the women I really, really get along with, like soul-sister level get along with, have written Harry Potter fanfiction. Which is GREAT, because it means I can discuss the years-old fandom drama that CONSUMED my 13-year-old life while drunk at a bar and no one will blink an eye.

Blackwatch Plaid

@terrific I more wrote LotR fanfic (can we still be friends?), but that sounds like a great way to spend an evening.

frigwiggin

Ahh, this reminds me of the good old days. Ain't no fun on the internet unless somebody's fightin'!

frigwiggin

@frigwiggin Speaking of, I HEAR OPHELIA'S A SOCKPUPPET

SarahP

@frigwiggin You guys, I think melis and evil melis are the same person!

frigwiggin

@SarahP Never mind that, I heard PistolPackinMama has been plagiarizing her comments from someone for ages. And that someone is...ME!

SarahP

@frigwiggin I'm going to go make a couple geocities websites in your honor, frigwiggin.

Emma Peel

OMG MsScribe. <3 Harry Potter fandom so much. I wrote a narrative nonfiction piece in college about my time in the fandom and what happened after I left -- the whole thing basically collapsed after the books were done, as far as I can tell, which is interesting.

I used to love Emily Giffin -- Something Borrowed and Something Blue are go-to beach reads for me -- but I've liked each succeeding book less and less, and acting like a teenage mean girl settles the matter for me.

timesnewroman

You guys. You guys. You're all my people. *weeping*

But seriously Nicole SOME OF US HAD STUFF TO DO TODAY how dare you post the msscribe thing!!!!!!

Inconceivable!

@timesnewroman My thoughts exactly! Here are my people. Of course, I have this thought on the Hairpin most days.

WhiskeySour

@timesnewroman Yep. My day's shot. Mr. Sour called around noon. "How's your day going?"
"I'm still in my pajamas and I haven't showered." (Because I had to read all of the msscribe thing again)

I have subsequently showered and put on real clothes, but now I've now fallen into the hole of seeing if my favorite fics from 10-ish years ago still exist on some corner of the internet. They do. And now I must read them.

M. Flourish Klink@twitter

@WhiskeySour Do I know you from HP fandom back in the day?! :o

Inconceivable!

@WhiskeySour Haha, I don't know if you're familiar with Mark Oshiro of Mark Reads, but he's been doing The Shoebox Project, which is hands down my favorite fic and which I basically consider canon, so I've hopped back down the fanfic rabbit hole recently myself. ahhhh memories

WhiskeySour

@M. Flourish Klink@twitter
I don't think so. I was more in the LotR fandom than HP.

M. Flourish Klink@twitter

@Inconceivable! SHOEBOX PROJECT! I miss Jaida and Rave (and I knew them back when, yes). Also I do know Mark. :D @WhiskySour Hopefully not LotRips?

Kinloch

@WhiskeySour @timenewroman - Lucky (or unlucky) this post went live after I made it to work (so showered and dressed). I made it through two work related e-mails before checking 'the Pin, and that is where productivity came to a grinding halt. Thankfully my screen faces no one!

Coworker: Everything okay? Me : Oh yes, um... customer service reports are deeply disturbing this morning...

M. Flourish Klink@twitter

I have to say, that as one of the people who was intimately involved with the MsScribe thing (I was one of the fooled! I knew her IRL! She was TOTALLY CONVINCING AND IT WAS WACKO AND DEEPLY HORRIBLE) it makes me so skeeved out to see the entire gross thing played out for laffs all over the internet. Like... guys, not everyone comes off well in that story, but she seriously scammed my entire group of friends into believing she was real for years, and the internet drama she instigated...

Oy. Imagine if your worst ever drama among your friends suddenly was known, and mythologized, by everybody on the internet. And the worst ever drama involved a con woman. THAT IS WHAT IS UP WITH ME, WITH BAD PENNY. IT IS BAD.

Apocalypstick

@M. Flourish Klink@twitter Wait what hangon what name did you go by and what do you mean by IRL? Face to face? Ahhh! It must have been insane! It's a crazyscary enough situation from the outside!

RK Fire

@M. Flourish Klink@twitter WAT

M. Flourish Klink@twitter

@Apocalypstick Flourish. I've always been Flourish, online and these days off. NO SECRETS HERE, BUB. (I mostly kept my head down so I think I only appear once in the bad_penny thing, if even that? I was part of the FictionAlley crowd, I helped cofound the site Yea These Many Years Ago.) But yes, physically in the same room as. We all hung out with her at Nimbus-2003, at room parties and things. That was why she was so convincing (and it's something that I think bad_penny doesn't really give very much time to)—we SAW her physically, and she looked like she said she would, and so on. And we had all just met each other IRL for about the first time anyway, and the rest of us were legit! Soooo... (And I'm still in contact with many of the folks in the bad_penny thing, and good friends with them IRL even now: everyone else really was legit, not just internet weirdos.)

Apocalypstick

@M. Flourish Klink@twitter Huh! So at what point did you stop believing her and realise there was some weird shit going on?

M. Flourish Klink@twitter

@Apocalypstick To be honest, I really didn't know till 2006, when bad_penny laid it all out. I mean, obviously we all knew that there were various sockpuppetry shenanigans going on, but I was so convinced that MsScribe was real (due to my experiences with Nimbus/ari_o's research/etc) that I really never gave any credence to people's accusations of MsScribe. Weird shit was going on all the time, and there were so many other people that I knew LESS about, you know? It was way easier to blame Random Person I Don't Like than it was to blame Person Who I Know And Like. LESSON LEARNED.

redheaded&crazy

oh my god nicole i legit cannot even handle posts about harry potter fandom AND kraft dinner in the same day WHILE I CANNOT DEVOTE PROPER ATTENTION TO THEM WHYYYYYYYYYYY

Oh, squiggles

What is this? I don't even...

Clearly I have been sticking to the well manicured parks of the internet. Not braving the wild tundras like other people!

effystonem

@Awesomely Nonfunctional Legit. I def read some Buffy fan fic back in high school, but I kind of had no idea that people were like, creating teams/communities and having actual wars online about...fictional characters? Wtf, internet?

Blackwatch Plaid

There's a lot of overlap between the people mentioned in the article and the crazies of the Sherlock fandom/tumblr. That sure does explain a lot.

royaljunk

@glittercock OH GOD SHERLOCK FANDOM. I'm a much happier person for blacklisting everything Sherlock related from my Tumblr dash, haha.

Blackwatch Plaid

@royaljunk I'm gradually doing so myself. It was fun at first but people are just going nuts. It's apparently now "in" to hate the cast and pit them against the folks from "Elementary", but seriously, who the hell cares? Tumblr be cray cray.

noReally

Please will someone say, what is "chan," as in "teacher/student, incest, chan, and bestiality"?

effystonem

@noReally I also would like to know what this means, because in case it's gross, I don't want that in my work computer search history.

M. Flourish Klink@twitter

@noReally @effystonem "Chan" is underage fic. And yes, sometimes it don't mean teenagers. READER BEWARE.

TARDIStime

@M. Flourish Klink@twitter
and is 4Chan related to this? I've heard of it in passing as a thing but I have no idea what it is...

Kate Kane

@TARDIStime The Chan in 4Chan stands for "channel," not the underage fic term.

HeyThatsMyBike

Old Gawker peeps - I now firmly believe MsScribe was NewtoJezebel.

HeyThatsMyBike

@HeyThatsMyBike I don't actually have any real evidence of that, other than that it just seems like something she'd do. Also I vaguely remember some Rutgers connection there.

Decca

I can't believe I ate the whole thing.

Betsy Murgatroyd

I am a fan of many things but I can only deal with Sims Fanfiction/Fandom wank. That community is just oozing with drama.

WhiskeySour

@Betsy Murgatroyd Sims wank is one of my guilty pleasures (just as a long-time player and observer.) The amount of drama is quite amazing.

Betsy Murgatroyd

@WhiskeySour I might have written some anon smut for the Sims, maybe. Otherwise I stay out of most of it and just read about it on SimSecret. It's rather delicious what that place comes up with.

TARDIStime

*hits fanfiction.com like when she was 12 and goes STRAIGHT for the HP section*...

Kinloch

So I'm still not productive today, thank you, Nicole.

What I want to know, is will we ever learn who Charlotte Lennox was? That girl should be rewarded the internet.

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@Kinloch Clearly Charlotte Lennox is MsScribe too!

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Mang, I love the fandomy love-fest this comment section has turned into. God bless everyone, especially Nicole.

Lariope

A link to the MsScribe story on the Hairpin. My life is now complete.

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