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Monday, July 2, 2012

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Spoiler-Free Meditations on Last Night's The Newsroom

1. You know how The New York Times runs that list of Notable Books which mostly means "books The New York Times thinks everyone should be reading instead of Carl Hiaasen and Harlan Coben"?

Aaron Sorkin is the human personification of that concept.

2. Other people need to stop explaining that Jeff Daniels isn't really a dick at all, he's deeply kind.

3. Every scene involving a woman last night could be replaced with that 30 Rock skit where Amelia Earhart says "oh no, my period!" and crashes her plane.

4. The woman who keeps screwing up asks the cute guy from Spring Awakening to teach her the ways of being a competent journalist, in a moment which could be replaced with that Family Guy cutaway where the guy shushes the busy-businesswoman and tells her that he's going to take the next hour and a half to show her how all her problems can be solved with his penis.

5. The Newsroom is still better than Carl Hiaasen and fifty percent of the other shows referenced in this post, so I guess we'll keep watching it.



118 Comments / Post A Comment

likethestore

I love the show, but I too am horrified by the complete ineptitude of his female characters (except when Emily Mortimer wears a headset and yells, I like those parts). But apparently this is a common thing for Sorkin? I've never watched any of his shows before. Baby's First Sorkin!

Nicole Cliffe

It is always like this. The incompetent woman is just Donna from The West Wing, except she is imprinting on a different integrity-filled soulful dedicated Aaron-Sorkin-stand-in character.

TN
TN

@Nicole Cliffe I think he managed to make CJ Cregg as competent as her male coworkers, for the most part, but yeah, she seems to be the exception, not the rule, in Sorkin's universe(s?). For me, the most irritating scene from last night was the one between Emily Mortimer and Olivia Munn, where they spent maybe the first 4 lines demonstrating they were smart, career-minded women and then the rest of the scene talking about BOYS OMG BOYS AND DATING.

Nicole Cliffe

CJ was fantastic, but she did fall into the pool wearing all her clothes in the first episode, and I think she also fell off a treadmill.

If it seems like I am overly active on this comment thread, it's because I did a lot of yelling at my television last night. John Gallagher really is adorable, though.

City_Dater

@Nicole Cliffe

No one rises above a bad haircut like John Gallagher. He's the cutest.

Reginal T. Squirge

I don't care how poorly her character is written/portrayed. Alison Pill is delightful.

Nicole Cliffe

Agreed. She was great in Milk, too.

sarahmcl

@Nicole Cliffe I fell off a treadmill. One second I was slowing down, the next second I was realizing I was taking a dive, the next second I was shooting off the back of the treadmill and rolling onto the floor. Then all of the personal trainers ran over to me and shouted, "ARE YOU OK?!?!?!" And I said, "yes!" got up, hurried away, and was so disoriented I walked into the men's locker room. Big bruise on my butt. So, the moral is, ladies be fallin off treadmills.

TheRisottoRacket

@City_Dater I remember seeing John Gallagher in something else and thinking meh, but LET ME JUST SAY there is a new crush in town and his name is John Gallagher.

lobsterhug

@Reginal T. Squirge I adore Alison Pill! She is amazing and I really want her to be awesome on this show.

Speaking of cake, I have cake

@likethestore Dana in Sports Night was always emphasised as being super-competent at her job but pretty terrible at her life, so I guess that sort of fits the Sorkin-type. Not that the men in Sports Night had their shit together much better either.

steve

@Nicole Cliffe
I had this debate with my best friend a while back, she contended that Sorkin can't write strong female characters. I admitted that I'm only really familiar with the West Wing (and the American President), but I suggested as examples Abby Bartlet, CJ Cregg, Amy Gardner, Nancy McNally, Joey Lucas, Andy Wyatt, and of course Mrs Landingham.

I concede that those characters don't feature as much as the male ones and generally have less prominent roles, that all the secretaries are women etc. But on balance, at least from a male perspective I think he's written some very engaging and complex female characters.

Decca

@TN I think Allison Janney is to thank for the awesomeness of CJ, not Sorkin, though? I'm sure the only reason CJ ever made it to COS is because Janney made her such a vibrant character. Doubt it would've happened with a lesser actress...

VDRE

@likethestore I've generally found female characters in Sorkin shows to be problematic. Overall, watching them I feel like Sorkin thinks that he's a feminist and is convinced that he's writing feminist characters but he just doesn't Get It and in the end the female characters spend too much time worrying about dating and not enough time being badass at their jobs. Also sometimes he writes female characters talking about feminism (Ainsley Hayes talking about the ERA, Ainsley Hayes not minding sexist comments, seriously I do like her but when she talks about being a woman it is so obvious that a man wrote it). That said, CJ is still my favorite ever and I want to be just like her when I grow up.

datalass

@Decca Definitely agree with this.

Also, it's been years since I've seen West Wing, and I'm trying to recall how 'female' CJ's character was? In my memory, CJ was a character who could have been played by either a man or a woman. Since she was played by Janney, she became a great 'female' character, but I can't really recall whether the writing focused on her gender.

Like I said, it's been awhile, but my impression is that CJ (she of the gender neutral name) hung with the men and seemed very different from the stereotypically feminine characters like daffy Donna and sainted Mrs. Landingham.

tiny dancer

@steve I've been thinking about this because I do like Sports Night and West Wing in general. But as someone already mentioned, the first time we meet CJ she falls on the treadmill. And then in her "origin story" she falls into a pool. I've been wondering if we have the other writers to thank for not making the WW female characters completely intolerable. And I would also say that I don't think they are that complex. Abby cares about her career, and oh it gets taken away. Nancy cares about her career, thinks she looks like an idiot in formal civilian clothes. Amy cares about her career, and then Josh for a little bit. That's wonderful they have good careers but that's not complex. It's also definitely obvious at times that it's a man writing what he thinks a woman would say (as someone mentioned). I couldn't make it through the first episode of Newsroom because I was so offended by the female characters. Sorkin has a woman problem--definitely seen in Studio 60 too.

trappedinabay

@datalass - There was that whole romance between CJ and Danny-the-reporter-who-gave-her-a-fish.

trappedinabay

@tiny dancer - NONE of the women on Studio 60 were even remotely tolerable!

steve

@tiny dancer
That's a good point re the introduction of the characters. There's also the fact that Amy, Andy, Joey etc are all introduced in relation to one of the male leads. Perhaps it's just the excellent acting by Anna Deavere Smith, Mary-Louise Parker etc that makes them interesting despite the writing?

Verity

I have only just started watching The West Wing, but have already got annoyed about how President Bartlett is (on occasion) referred to as Dr Bartlett, but his wife has so far only ever been Mrs Bartlett, despite being a doctor. Give her her proper title!

I do adore CJ, though.

tiny dancer

@steve Agreed. Those women are awesome, which is maybe why I like the Nancy and Amy characters so much (and also Joey and Abby and of course CJ). There was some solid talent that maybe made us (me?) think they were more complex than they were.

solaria

@Verity OMG OMG Keep watching, I promise it's addressed in one of those West Wing scenes that's so awesome your heart explodes. Also, realtalk: that's pretty damn realistic.

vis-a-vis Sorkin and women: I think that his females on the The WW were generally pretty damn strong. Donna has ditzy moments, but some folks have those moments. If that's who we're attacking as flat character, I think we need to aim elsewhere. CJ, Amy, Donna, Joey, Dr. Bartlett, the daughters, Mallory McGarry, Landingham, Ainsley Hayes, Toby's ex, Laurie, that bit part with the girl from So Weird, they all take NO SHIT. Even Toby/Leo/Sam's assistants don't take any shit, and Donna gives Josh hell all the time. And let's be real, assistants are women because the majority of assistants in the White House are female. Let's give dude credit where it's due. West Wing and Sports Night, his earlier show, have a ton of strong female characters.

I don't know his post-WW work as well, so maybe it all went to hell. The social network certainly lacked female characters of substance.

Verity

@sunshinefiasco Yay, I shall look forward to it!

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@sunshinefiasco I also think that Sorkin writes strong women. Or, at least, he writes his women as strong as his men. Namely, just about none of his characters are particularly adept at functioning outside of their professional lives, it's not just the women. And Abby Bartlett? That woman is a powerhouse.

In terms of The Newsroom specifically, I'd say we are just getting to know these characters and their world, and I have chosen to reserve judgment until a later date. Also, Allison Pill's character is quite obviously not at the highest point in her life and nowhere near reaching her full potential when we come in, which seems to have a lot to do with the juicebox she is dating, which... OK, possibly problematic, but I think a lot of us have been there, both male and female.

And, in response to the issue of those lady-characters who are all "competent work jargon blah blah OMG BOYS," I say this:
A) I don't really think there is that much of this, like as a percentage of the dialogue spoken by women, it is probably not very much;
B) See Danny (S60) and Josh (WW), both played by Bradley Whitford, both basically girl-crazy and VERY easily distracted by a smart, pretty, strong lady.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

Is THE NEWSROOM the thing that people who loved GIRLS get to hate on?

Lemonnier

It took me a while to do the math, being a girl and all, but The Newsroom is better than The Family Guy? Or better than 30 Rock? Either way, I disagree!

Nicole Cliffe

Better than present-day Family Guy. Not better than the Family Guy where they tour the brewery. Never better than 30 Rock.

Lemonnier

@Nicole Cliffe I retract my earlier disagreement -- you're absolutely right about that!

Reginal T. Squirge

Almost nothing is better than Family Guy when it's just Stewie and Brian hanging out.

sarah girl

@Nicole Cliffe A world of pure inebriation!

frigwiggin

@Reginal T. Squirge

Nnnnnno.

maybe partying will help

I will just stay here and read Hiaasen, and everyone can keep their Sorkin.

WaityKatie

@maybe partying will help I think Aaron Sorkin is potentially the most overrated "showrunner" of our times. There, I said it. I find his penchant for moderately-clever, unnecessarily sped-up dialogue grating, and his "inspirational" swelling background music insipid. I find his characters precious and annoying. I find most everything he says in interviews to be self-regarding and obnoxious. I just don't get his appeal at all. And now you may all commence throwing things at my head.

maybe partying will help

@WaityKatie

I've only seen The Social Network. Definitely no flying objects coming at you from my direction!

trappedinabay

@WaityKatie - For me, his appeal is mostly based on his casting Bradley Whitford in everything ever. The fact that he's not on Newsroom makes me way less likely to watch it.

WaityKatie

@trappedinabay Oh, and also, The West Wing made all the self-important tools in DC (who are mostly insignificant assistants and interns anyway) feel good about themselves, and that is plainly unacceptable. "Veep" for the win, forever.

Nicole Cliffe

I am SERIOUSLY INTO VEEP.

bitzy

@Nicole Cliffe YES. Veep is the best new show this year.

I want a Gary.

trappedinabay

@WaityKatie Veep is SO GOOD.

Killerpants

Social Network was unwatchable. That's my deep contribution to this thread.

schrodingers_cat

@maybe partying will help I will sit next to you with my own Hiaasen collection

solaria

@WaityKatie I think there's something to be said for the information that he threw in a lot of peoples' faces, and the fact that a lot of people have some clue of how our political system works today thanks to this show. While a lot of that knowledge is far from perfect, school doesn't really explain much past the 3 branches of government. I don't think you could watch that show and not understand that the issues are complex and getting stuff done is a thousand difficults.

That said, I stopped being able to enjoy The West Wing as much once I got to college and learned two things: Sorkin's gone in and out of crack addiction for years, and what people sound like when they're on cocaine. It hasn't been the same since.

WaityKatie

@sunshinefiasco I didn't know about the crack! Wow.

WaityKatie

@sunshinefiasco And, I don't know, that's fine if he provided some kind of remedial civics lesson to people who don't give a shit about their government, but that doesn't make me personally enjoy it any more, or at all.

WaityKatie

@Killerpants I found it deadly, deadly slow.

solaria

@WaityKatie For real, he's spoken about/been caught with weed and coke before, before and after a stint in rehab.

And it's painfully apparent in his work. I liked the West Wing (I watched it first when I was a frustrated liberal high school student), but seriously, so many of the little interpersonal exchanges ended with "Idon'tknow.Whatwereyousaying?Nevermind,Idon'tcare." ::walks away::, that once I'd been to a few parties, I realized that's a huge chunk of his style: making sober people talk like they're on a ton of blow.

bethatrix

@WaityKatie Ohhhh you said this so well. You put your finger on All The Things.

bethatrix

@schrodingers_cat I had a long and very formative Hiassen phase around middle-school years. I love those books, and they definitely colored my conceptions about Florida. I need to catch up!

Cat named Virtute

This is why I love the Hairpin.

RK Fire

I did not watch the Newsroom but I'd like to say that my period was totally responsible for my most recent minor car accident.

/not really but I wish I could blame it on my period and not my broader, gender-neutral lack of judgement

Bittersweet

@RK Fire Well, they were saying on NPR this morning that they found Earhart's hand lotions and face creams on a deserted island, but no tampons, so maybe 30 Rock was right?

stuffisthings

@Bittersweet Just like women, innit, leaving their damned lotions and things everywhere.

koume

@RK Fire "My car insurance does not cover PMS!"

I <3 you, Larry Miller!

Verity

@koume "Tell them I had a seizure!"

parallel-lines

Was this another episode where everyone gave long, tedious speeches and nothing really happened?

Nicole Cliffe

Yes! Because that's obviously what was lacking in Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.

Lemonnier

@parallel-lines Or where they discovered the cause of the Deepwater Horizon blowout in under an hour, thanks to a just-out-of-college engineer who was magically allowed to sit in on high-level discussions at BP, and some dude's sister who worked at Halliburton?

parallel-lines

@Lemonnier I'm surprised wardrobe didn't automatically attach soap boxes to everyone's feet.

SuperGogo

@Nicole Cliffe That and humor.

trappedinabay

@SuperGogo - For a show about the making of a comedy show, it certainly failed to deliver the LULZ.

Inkling

@SuperGogo
OH SNAP

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@trappedinabay FALSE. Studio 60 was rich in lulz, just not of the sketch comedy variety.

City_Dater

I cannot watch this show, despite being vice-president of the John Gallagher Jr. Fan Club, because Sorkin makes me roll my eyes to the point of tension headache. Rich heterosexual white guys who are BRAVE and have PRINCIPLES (that do not include being remotely respectful of women and/or minorities) make me hurl. And why does he get a constant pass on recycling banter (probably stolen from Hepburn-Tracy movies anyway) from Sports Night?!

WaityKatie

@City_Dater Not to mention that the entire premier episode of the Newsroom show was a pale, unnecessary imitation of the far-superior movie Network, which was actually funny. And actually had something to say. And was made 36 years ago.

TheRisottoRacket

@City_Dater The weird thing about Jeff Daniels character in The Newsroom is that he randomly becomes super respectful of women and at one point in the pilot told someone not to swear in front of women and then was shouting "fucking" this or that at Mac last night. (On a side note: guys, please feel free to swear in front of us. We do it too.)

bethatrix

@TheRisottoRacket From an equality-in-the-workplace standpoint though, shielding women's fragile ears from coarse language is not particularly respectful. I read it as kinda paternalistic.

frigwiggin

I've never seen a single Aaron Sorkin show or movie, but after watching that supercut of all the times he's cribbed from himself, I really don't feel like I need to. Look at all that time I've just freed up to finish watching Eureka!

Aspiriationally Natalie

@frigwiggin AHHHH another Eureka watcher! We are a rare breed on these internets. (Also, you should try Sorkin! Maybe not one of his TV shows, but The Social Network is excellent.)

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@frigwiggin But you don't really need that much time to watch Eureka, because it's almost over (sad)!

Also, I know I'm apparently in the Hairpin minority (possibly the sole 'pinner?), but I love me some Sorkin TV. Like, all of them, all the time. I mean, they're only sort of grounded in reality. But? Humanity: We Can Do Things!

Aspiriationally Natalie

@Veronica Mars is smarter than me You're right, it doesn't take a ton of time to catch up on Eureka... unless you are starting from the very beginning in preparation of the series finale in two weeks. (Can I say that I love that there are Hairpinners who watch Eureka? Everyone should watch this little show! It's even on Netflix Instant! More importantly: I NEED PEOPLE TO DISCUSS THIS SHOW WITH.)

Also: count me in as a lover of the Sorkin. The West Wing is what got me really interested in politics! And his work got me interested in pursuing a career in television, so he'll probably be one of the first people I thank if and when I win a major award.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@Aspiriationally Natalie I WILL DISCUSS EUREKA WITH YOU.

How far in the series are you? Is this your first time through? Can we talk about Henry, The Most Tragic Television Character of All Time (no matter what season you're on)?

Aspiriationally Natalie

@Veronica Mars is smarter than me I've watched the series since the very beginning! (It happens to be the only show I've watched from its premiere and actually stuck with through everything going on in my life, so the fact that it's ending after 6 years is really affecting me.) I LOVE EVERYONE IN THE TOWN!!! And yes, Henry is The Most Tragic Television Character of All Time. But he is also The Best. (As is everyone there, really.) THIS SHOW.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@Aspiriationally Natalie
OMG. The very first time/reality jump. Section 5. Henry and Carter. ALL the feelings.

Aspiriationally Natalie

@Veronica Mars is smarter than me Ugh, that episode. SO MANY FEELINGS. I plan on re-watching it before the series finale (because it, along with the pilot episode is supposed to have a bunch of clues has to how it ends.) I really really hope the ending this time around is a lot happier because everyone in the town deserves to be as happy in this timeline as they did in that one.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@Aspiriationally Natalie What! I did not know this! I try not to read much about any of the shows I watch, other than like, the week-of teasers on their facebook pages or whatever. I stay away from forums and the like. Anyways, now I know what I'll be watching to round out the night!

phenylalanine

So did everyone see this interview with Aaron Sorkin, which includes this tidbit: "Listen here, Internet girl," he says, getting up. "It wouldn’t kill you to watch a film or pick up a newspaper once in a while." I’m not sure how he’s forgotten that I am writing for a newspaper;? And then he makes her high five him six times because "I’m sick of girls who don’t know how to high-five"? WHAT AN ASS.

Interrobanged

@phenylalanine I WAS JUST COMING HERE TO LINK TO THAT - god, that article sent me into a rage blackout, totally harshed my weekend. "Internet Girl" ?!?! Yes, the 1940s truly was the last great American age! Really great if you were a Straight White Rich Man!

The Newsroom is predictable and infuriating but I'm watching it, so.

okaycrochet

@phenylalanine I wish he had said "Looky here" because that would fit like WHOA in that sentence.

Decca

@phenylalanine Yep, that was the interview that confirmed my suspicions that Sorkin is The Worst.

WaityKatie

@Interrobanged The irony is that Sorkin would have been a total failure writing in the 1940's, because good, clever writers abounded in the entertainment business then (before they all got blacklisted for being Communists).

WaityKatie

@datalass I often think I would have done well in the 1890's, pre-Watergate. Yeah, you're right, it doesn't really work.

Christina @twitter

@phenylalanine Thanks for linking that. Good God, I cannot believe anyone would say something like that in a professional setting. How horrifying...

stuffisthings

@WaityKatie That's WAY pre-Watergate. Did you mean pre-Teapot Dome Scandal?

WaityKatie

@stuffisthings Ha, that comment made a lot more sense before the comment above mine was deleted. But I am going to start using "pre-Teapot Dome" in my conversation in any way possible.

stuffisthings

@phenylalanine My goodness. I daresay that article is better than most things Sorkin himself has written. Good on her!

Lemonnier

@phenylalanine I feel like "I'm sick of girls who don't know how to high-five" may be one of the most dudebro things ever uttered.

stuffisthings

@Lemonnier The key to always landing a high five is to look at the elbow. But reading this interview has made me rethink the wisdom of enthusiastically sharing this technique with people I've just met at bars, as I am wont to do.

datalass

@WaityKatie Aack, sorry about that!

@ everyone else My tl;dr comment asserted that Sorkin was dim for characterizing the 1940s as 'before Watergate.' (As in, World War II = that trifling ante-Wategate skirmish.)

stuffisthings

@datalass I guess it would be less charitable but more accurate to characterize the period he is eulogizing as "Post-Holocaust, Pre-Civil Rights Act"?

stonefruit

@phenylalanine oh my heck. OH MY HECK. Aaron Sorkin, I now don't know if I want to buy a box set of The West Wing, SO THANKS FOR THAT. What a colossal schmuck he is.

solaria

@phenylalanine JAYSUS. cocaine/bipolar are two hells of drugs.

Okay, i'm on the Sorkin douche train, but: is there any chance he's calling her "internet girl" because of their previous Gawker-related exchange? As in, "Girl-who-thinks-the-internet-is-so-important-and-is-one-of-those-internet-kids-that's-ruining-America"? That seems to fit in with the tv/newspaper comment. And of course, still makes him a huge douche, but at least I can see what his line of thought is?

noReally

"Better than Carl Hiaasen" is just crazy talk.

maybe partying will help

@noReally

RIGHT.

I don't care if he writes the same novel twenty times, I will read them all on the beach until the universe explodes. Also, Team Rodent.

miss buenos aires

@noReally I know, right? (Side note: my mother hates this as an expression of agreement. Does it annoy anyone else?)

Actually I don't even like Hiaasen THAT MUCH, mostly because I can't figure out how to pronounce his name, but after sitting through half a dozen episodes of Sports Night, I am officially done with Aaron Sorkin. Hiaasen is consistently fantastically entertaining; Sorkin not so much.

trappedinabay

@miss buenos aires (When uttered in earnest, "I know, right?" is profoundly grating. When uttered as parody, especially in a Valley Girl voice, it's hilarious. I do it all the time.)

miss buenos aires

@trappedinabay How about "I know!"? I think that's what she hates most of all.

bocadelperro

@miss buenos aires "Hiya-sin" (Hiya pronounced like the midwestern greeting)
a friend of mine used to work with him at the sun-times. (I understand he's a really nice guy who wishes he was Skink)

Despite being one degree removed from him, I also turned my nose up at his books for years, until I was stuck in a regional airport for 4 hours, and the only book for sale was Skinny Dip. He's now one of my favorite escapist reads.

miss buenos aires

@bocadelperro Thank you! Between this and "Schiaparelli," I am now coming to the Hairpin with all of my pronunciation needs.

Reginal T. Squirge

I clicked "Close VLC" at the part in the first episode where Harry Dunne started talking about how great America was back in the day...

because, uh... not for several million brown people.

sudden but inevitable betrayal

@Reginal T. Squirge Yeah, as soon as he started going on about how we need to get back to when America was great and everything was sunshine and roses and everyone helped each other and there was no conflict ever, I decided to go wash dishes instead of finishing the episode.

stuffisthings

@sudden but inevitable betrayal To be fair, the 1940s WAS a decade noted for its lack of conflict.

sudden but inevitable betrayal

@stuffisthings So true. We all had a nice long sit!

Decca

Wait wait somebody quick tell me, does The Newsroom feature a parody of "I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major-General"? IT BETTER.

Nicole Cliffe

I mean, they're gonna have to find SOMETHING for John Gallagher to sing.

stuffisthings

OK, so I understand why people in general enjoyed, say, The West Wing as a sort of escapist fantasy. But I never got why people who actually work in the policy/Washington world enjoy Sorkin's stuff (and they do!).

I mean, in real life you're constantly surrounded by super-smart people whose great ideas and insights and whip-smart witty understandings of the world have zero bearing on the actual, terrible policies that are made and enacted by the people in charge (some of whom are spineless idiots, but most of whom are also incredibly smart and savvy people caught up in a terrible system.)

What I'm saying is, down with Aaron Sorkin! Long live Armando Iannucci!

WaityKatie

@stuffisthings Agreed on Iannucci, and also, I lived in DC while WW was on and dear god I was grateful when that crap finally went off the air. How many times did I have to listen to idiots talk about how wonderful that show is and how it is totally like their very important policy making lives? Too many.

datalass

@stuffisthings I work in the policy world, and I have a theory on this. I think a lot of the policy people LOVED the depiction of policy people as engaged, earnest, intelligent, passionate, etc. That is, they embraced the show because it made them look awesome on national TV. (It's kind of like falling for the guy who makes you feel pretty, even if objectively, he's a little sappy.)

stuffisthings

@datalass Oh yeah, I get that. But in my experience, policy people ARE usually most of those things (though maybe not quite as polished or attractive, and more focused on details than Lofty Principles) -- just they have no actual power or relevance to anyone. I always figured the fantasy was more that someone would actually base an important decision on their clever ideas than that they have clever ideas in the first place.

KatnotCat

@stuffisthings Working in the news industry is the same way, but everyone who works for news outlets is cynical enough to realize it and, from I can tell, fucking hates this show for that reason and many others. Sure, we'll just go fix all the news! We'll just call up our cousins for the stories, and everyone will watch.

sarah girl

Related in that it has to do with news, but did people see that Anderson Cooper officially came out as gay? http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/07/anderson-cooper-the-fact-is-im-gay.html

It's a really lovely statement, kudos to him for reconsidering his stance and what would be most helpful for public discourse! Yay Anderson!

Inkling

@Sarah H.
He is the silverest man.

laurel

I am torn. I want to never stop slapping Aaron Sorkin (see the whole 'Internet Girl' event described above) and yet many in the cast of The Newsroom have the chops to elevate the material into something richer than testimony. And there's virtue in how quickly a Sorkin show often moves on from what another show might wallow in.

But still, alll the slapping. I wonder if that's part of the fun for me of a Sorkin show.

MrsLlama

I enjoy the work of Carl Hiaasen.

Megasus

I am watching it right now, and I totally agree with you about all the ladies! Emily Mortimer has just spent most of the episode flailing about and being emotional. Also, I find it really boring. ALSO THE MUSIC IS SO CHEESY AND I HATE IT.

Nicole Cliffe

Yes! The music! The cheesy, swelling music.

WaityKatie

@Nicole Cliffe West Wing Music Syndrome, all the way.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@WaityKatie W.G. Snuffy Walden, ladies and gents. (actually overall I am sort of ambivalent on the score, but the stark contrast between the often dramatic/tragic/poignant ends to the episodes and the immediately following chipper closing theme music kills me every time)
ETA: WGSW worked on Friday Night Lights too.

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