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Thursday, July 5, 2012

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Katie vs. the Scientologists

"Katie could blow Scientology wide open. If Tom’s smart, he won’t fight her on anything, even custody. He should just try to settle his way out of it. She could press this sole-custody issue and litigate it and that would be the biggest nightmare in the Church of Scientology’s history. It would be a circus they couldn’t survive."

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nyikint

YESS, PLEASE DO IT KATIE!

and wtf?

"I have no doubt that she’s being tailed by them. It's par for the course. But she had to have planned this very carefully, right down to using disposable cell phones and laptops to throw people off her trail. It had to have been a very cloak-and-dagger operation."

area@twitter

@nyikint Scientology: This Shit is Completely Crazy, Like, Not Even Funny Crazy, Just Scary Crazy (tm)

WhiskeySour

@nyikint Have y'all read the (couple of years old) article about Paul Haggis and Scientology? It's incredibly long (goodbye early afternoon) but there are some crazy details in there.

area@twitter

@WhiskeySour I have read it, but thank you for the link, because I want to read it again.

Megan@twitter

@nyikint Disposable laptops! Oh, to have enough money to buy laptops and just throw them away.

nyikint

@WhiskeySour Since that post half an hour ago, I've gone from reading about how Scientology bribed the IRS officials --> disappearance of David Miscavige's wife --> the Hole (some kind of prison?!) --> Debbie Cook --> Tom Cruise's divorce from Nicole Kidman --> Bella and Connor turning against her.

What I'm trying to say is that I now find myself reading Connor Cruise's Twitter.

redonion

@WhiskeySour I loved that article because it dissected Scientology's appeal AND dished the crazy, which is always what I am looking for in articles about cult religions.

Bittersweet

@Megan@twitter I would consider a disposable laptop an excellent investment if it got me and my kid safely away from my creepy husband and his threatening, cult-like religion.

stuffisthings

I can't imagine a more depressing life than that of the Scientology "expert."

Ophelia

@stuffisthings Production Assistant for "Keeping Up With The Kardashians"?

sarah girl

@Ophelia Editor for "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" - think of all the hours and hours of raw footage they have to sift through to put together each episode.

Ophelia

@Sarah H. My brain just exploded in horror.

PistolPackinMama

@stuffisthings editor on KUWTK after Kim becomes a Scientologist.

area@twitter

I was JUST reading this article! Great minds. Katie, you go get it done, girl. I want to see her bust that place wide open, then invade Cruise's compound ninja-style, punch out Miscaivage, and pass Tom off to a strapping young gentleman to carry into the sunset.

laurel

@area@twitter Cue the Scientology deprogrammer fanfic.

area@twitter

@laurel This 'Ship is Sea(Org) Worthy

tibia

@laurel Google "the liberation of Katie Holmes." if it's still as good as it was when I first read it six years ago, you won't be disappointed.

Alixana

@area@twitter Bonus points if she finds and liberates David Miscaivage's wife, too!

Ophelia

Oh, good! I've been dying to talk about this all week, but my husband apparently isn't shallow enough to endlessly speculate with me about celebrity divorces, and my best friend is out of town.

Also, I can't wait for the "Scandals of Classic Hollywood" 2072 edition, when we dissect this with lots of hindsight!

Faintly Macabre

@Ophelia I was reading the Village Voice's amazing series on Scientology for hours the other night, and my mother was like, "Who cares? It's boring." I'm more interested in the Scientology part than the Katie part, but it's all fascinating! They have secret tunnels! And underground prisons! And an artificial lake for throwing bad Scientologists in and pulling them out of as punishment! And tried to ruin a cancer patient's life for passing on gossip about Suri-supply shopping at Wal Mart! How does any of that sound boring?

Ophelia

@Faintly Macabre Right?? Seriously, you couldn't even make this shit up, it's so good!

(to clarify, by "good" I mean creepy and horrifying, but you know what I mean)

Springtime for Voldemort

@Faintly Macabre They have secret tunnels and underground prisons??? Ok, what exactly do I need to read to get all of this WTFery goodness?

rayray

@papayalily Yah, direct me to that reading material please!

maybe partying will help

@Faintly Macabre

So Til Schweiger in SLC Punk was RIGHT.

and apparently talking about Scientologists.

I gotta read this. File under "shit you can't make up."

Faintly Macabre

@papayalily Anything for you, my darlings!

I've been following Scientology craziness for the past year or two, so all this news on it is like Christmas to me. I think it started with either stumbling on a random article or a creepy guy outside a very, very creepy Philly branch shoving a flier in my hand and repeating, "Think more clearly! Think more clearly!"

Springtime for Voldemort

@Faintly Macabre O.O!!!!! Ok, I basically don't care about Katie/Suri/TomKat beyond a general "people should be in more healthy relationships, and less cults" policy, but Scientology is just so wonderfully and deliciously crazy! (But obviously, should cease to exist.)

WhiskeySour

@Faintly Macabre I know, is it weird being fascinated by something so creepy? The stories that come out of ex-Scientologists (and the resulting evasiveness of current Scientologists/their lawyers) are as though they come from dystopian sci-fi novels. The level of secrecy, their level of cultural influence, the hold they have on Clearwater, FL, etc. The things they do (or are accused of doing) are just so intense and weird that it seems unreal. So of course I can't stop reading about it.

stormageddon

@WhiskeySour I think we just don't expect this level of terrible weirdness to be so intimately connected with the rich and powerful. It is deeply surprising to see a famous woman having to secretly rearrange her whole life because she fears her child will be taken from her and brainwashed. it is even more surprising to see her displaying such confidence and aggression, she is basically bitch slapping this whole creepy cult, right in da nuts, and it is glorious. I hope she pulls their whole house down.

Ophelia

@WhiskeySour I mean, I suppose that's kind of what you get when your religion is ACTUALLY based on a dystopian sci-fi novel? But yes, point taken.

QuadrophonicSound

@Faintly Macabre Oh man, I have been wallowing in archived Village Voice coverage of Scientology for a week now, a WEEK. It's so good, and there's so much. I can't stop being fascinated with its slow implosion.

QuadrophonicSound

(And this is after spending a loooot of time reading about Anonymous Vs. Scientology a year or two ago, too. Like, staying up until 3 a.m. reading.)

Snood Mood

@stormageddon I expect much deeper levels of weirdness to be connected to the rich and famous. They seriously live on a different planet than we do. Fame and power brings with it a level of weird we can never comprehend.

sceps yarx

@Ophelia What you just said about your husband not being shallow enough to endlessly dissect celebrity divorces made me really appreciate my husband, who IS shallow enough to endlessly dissect celebrity divorces! And we also loooove talking about creepy cults, and privately backseat-parenting other people's children, so this is pretty much the perfect storm for us. If we could somehow tie in ANTM and Joss Whedon, our brains might explode in an exctasy of marital conviviality!

sevanetta

@Ophelia I have been dying dying dying for a Hairpin thread on this divorce ALL WEEK. I just wanted to dicsuss it with Pinners so badly!!! I really don't care about these people normally, or other actors/celebrities really, but I just want to CHEER for Katie.

iknowright

@Faintly Macabre Oh goodness yes, Philly, I remember the Scientologists would always set up like, fake eye exams (?) in the Market East station and I only knew who they were because a local warned me and if I hadn't who knows what could have happened to me! They seemed nice enough and I'm sure lure many bored people waiting for trains with their fake concern and colorful pamphlets.

Vera Knoop

@Faintly Macabre It's not at all boring, but one of the things that's most fascinating about it (to me) is how boring the *trappings* are. I mean, they believe some freaky-weird shit, but their aesthetic is so drab and mediocre. It's like a middle-management cult. And it somehow makes them way more sinister than more exotic accessories would.

Faintly Macabre

@Vera Knoop I remember those! It was years before I got old/educated enough to do it for lulz, though, so I always just skittered by them. Two friends once did in high school, though, while they were out with another friend who was a pain in the ass/drama queen. They both thought of her during the e-meter thing, and unsurprisingly both meters read VERY STRESSED (or whatever bizarre word Scientologists use). They were not tempted to become Scientologists, though, as removing the friend from their lives ended up being a somewhat easier solution.

Anyway, the weird guy was at their now-gone Chestnut St branch. The same branch used to play Scientology videos in the window around the clock, and seeing them at night, even with the sound off, was incredibly creepy.

@Quadrophenia I knowww! I have so much work to do, but one article leads to another...

Faintly Macabre

@Faintly Macabre
Me: "Dad, you should read the Scientology articles! Mum thinks they're boring."
Dad: "I was done with Scientology in 1982. Their office was just down the street from my apartment in Boston, and I went in there one day and they told me about Scientology. And I was like, 'Well, this is bullshit.'"

Ophelia

@sceps yarx OH, if we could add in a Joss Whedon angle, I would totally be able to hook him in and keep him interested forever (heck, I'd be interested forever). IF ONLY Katie Holmes had had a guest spot on Firefly or something.

OhMarie

@Faintly Macabre My dad was an early adopter of the internet, so we got it in about 1996 when I was 12 or 13. One day I took a sweet personality test and put all of my personal info in there and everything. Next thing you know, my mom's fielding a call from Scientologists asking for her preteen daughter. I got quite the lecture.

Hopefully kids today are smarter than me.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@Ophelia OK, the best route I could think up on the fly is this: Katie Holmes-->Dawson's Creek-->James van der Beek-->Don't Trust the B-->Krysten Ritter-->Veronica Mars-->Joss Whedon cameo. I'm sure there's a much straighter line that could be drawn, though.

Also, possibly include Joss in the discussions as an atheist/humanist foil?

@all, I share the Scientology fascination, as well as interest in the Quiverfull and Mormon cults.

Springtime for Voldemort

@Veronica Mars is smarter than me Quiverfull!!!! Sooooooooooooo weird.

travelmugs

I don't know what I'm more excited about: a Scientology tell-all that uncovers all of the terrible, sketchy things they do, or just how good Suri's Burn Book will be during the divorce trial.

redonion

@travelmugs When I heard about the divorce, the first think I did was check Suri's Burn Book.

sox
sox

@redonion Exactly what I did too...what does that say about us? Fanfic fans in our own way I guess?

redonion

@sox For sure. And always in for a good Tom Cruise snipe. I wonder if her perspective on Katie will soften a bit. I hope only so far as it is merited.

bluebears

Eh. I'm not expecting her to tell all the secrets at all. Just leverage her ability to tell all the secrets to gain custody of her kid and large amounts of money. The interesting question is will Tom forego custody of his kid (he seems like a complete control freak) to protect the integrity of his religion.

City_Dater

@bluebears

Technically, that child might not even be his biological daughter, which could be something Ms. Holmes could use to her advantage in getting out with custody and a gigantic pile of hush money.

The celebrity divorce thing normally doesn't interest me, but throw in a closeted crazy cult member control freak husband and it's like all the best Lifetime movies rolled into one.

datalass

@bluebears It's fascinating because, this time around, he's going to have a tough time defending all of his interests (gaining custody of Suri, protecting his career, and supporting Scientology) simultaneously.

bluebears

@City_Dater I think she looks fucking exactly like him.

City_Dater

@bluebears

He and Ms. Holmes also resemble each other and her previous actor boyfriend (also dark haired and blue-eyed), if I am remembering my celebrity random facts correctly, was out of the picture a surprisingly short time before she was suddenly engaged.

WhiskeySour

@bluebears I think it's a tricky one. I've been on the fence about this rumor since I first heard it a couple of years ago. I'm avoiding doing work and apparently spending my time being a terrible person and musing about a little kid's paternity, so I've been looking at current pictures of Suri and comparing them to pictures of Katie Holmes, Tom Cruise, and Chris Klein (the guy sometimes postulated as the bio dad.) I can't decide! I think Suri looks a lot like Katie and her facial features that aren't like Katie's could go either way. The only thing for sure is that I'm kind of a jerk.

TheLetterL

@bluebears Agreed, down to facial expressions. Even if we're going with a conspiracy conception (conspirception?), it would just be too easy to prove if Tom's DNA wasn't involved.

angermonkey

@bluebears Someone once floated the idea that Suri might actually be William Mapother's daughter (Mapother is Cruise's cousin, aka Ethan from Lost, is also high in Scientology, etc.) Which... I could actually buy that.

Slapfight

@angermonkey Are you telling me the Others were Scientologists?!!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

cosmia

I am now even more excited for "The Master".

EggsErroneous

@cosmia ! The whole time I was reading the article linked above, I was thinking I WANT NICOLE AND KATIE'S EXPERIENCES MADE INTO A MOVIE cause I would watch the shit out of that.

nogreeneggs

@EggsErroneous Lifetime is probs already writing a script.

Heat Signature

Not usually one to get excited over celebrity news (well, that's only about 50% true), but I am so pumped that Katie Holmes is being super smart and awesome about divorcing Tommy Boy AND taking care of her daughter by asking for sole legal rights and primary residence.

Heat Signature

@Heat Signature Also, I think the only thing that Tom Cruise is "deeply saddened" by is that he never saw it coming.

TheBourneApproximation

@Heat Signature Seriously. I normally have approximately zero interest in celebrity gossip (not because I pretend to be above gossip, but because the celebrities involved are usually super-boring). But this is genuinely interesting. Between her taking complete control of the situation, the whole cloak-and-dagger careful planning of the break, and (of course) the whole defection-from-crazypants-Scientology aspect, I vote for moar articles plz!

stormageddon

@Heat Signature I know, right? She's playing this brilliantly. I have always had a vague and nonsensical dislike of Katie (ok, so Dawson's was on while I was a gawky teen, and I found her so depressingly gorgeous that I couldn't stand to watch the show) but now I am stanning for her so hard. Get it girl!!!

Reginal T. Squirge

Ugh, is this the part where people are going to start acting like Katie Holmes is somebody worth caring about?

Reginal T. Squirge

Medium talent, Katie! MEDIUM TALENT!!!

Heat Signature

@stormageddon Me too! I mean, I was too old for Dawson's Creek when it was on, and when she married Tom I was very cynical (war bride!) because of how my opinions on celebrities are so in demand, but now it's just so nice to see a celebrity acting intelligently FOR ONCE.

stormageddon

@Reginal T. Squirge When Katie Holmes decided to add BAMF on her resume next to middling actress and crap fashion designer, she got on my radar. Before she made public that she objected to raising her kid in Sea Org, no, I didn't really give two shits about her, because I'm not pro-cult.

Reginal T. Squirge

@stormageddon

Neither am I but didn't she have some expectation for madness? It's not like it was a huge secret before she got married that Tom Cruise is nuts and Scientology is a cult.

teaandcakeordeath

@Heat Signature
I dont think anyone expected Joey Potter to be such a badass. Well played.

TheLetterL

@teaandcakeordeath Well, season 1 Joey, maybe....

melis

@Reginal T. Squirge "Area Woman Marginally Less Awful Than Tom Cruise, Beloved By All"

PistolPackinMama

@Reginal T. Squirge I expect they care about her about as much as you dislike JK Rowling, with as much reason.

Plus something something pop culture narratives star culture Anne Helen Peterson what star manufacturing tells us about us and so on.

Reginal T. Squirge

Excellent point.

orangeyouglad

I hope Katie Holmes and Suri meet with a therapist after leaving Scientology/Tom Cruise. That'll show 'em.

Megasus

DO IT KATIE DO IT!!!!!!

Daisy Razor

@Megano! CRUSH HIM BENEATH YOUR (HIGH) HEEL, KATIE!

Heat Signature

@Daisy Razor That shouldn't be too hard, given the height differential.

Alixana

@Daisy Razor I saw a picture of her from the last couple days wearing crazy 4 inch leopard print heels. Nothing screams "excited to be dumping Tom Cruise" like 4 inch heels.

whizz_dumb

@Heat Signature He has more than a Napoleon complex, it's more like he's emulating Napoleon.

rosemaryandthyme

@Alixana I remember right after Nicole Kidman divorced him, she was interviewed on the Tonight Show, and the only snide thing she said was that it was nice to be able to wear heels again. :)

applestoapples

Nicole Kidman was with him twice as long, and not a peep out of her about the marriage or about Scientology. I'm being cynical and saying that there's probably some sort of heavy NDA that covers all the bases.

hands_down

@applestoapples Perhaps the condition of awarding sole custody to her will be an air-tight NDA.

applestoapples

@hands_down Yup, I definitely think it could be him letting Katie keep Suri without a fight as long as she agrees to stay quiet about the courtship/marriage and any associations with Scientology she's had during that time.

hands_down

@applestoapples Exactly. I can't think of anything she has to lose, while he has plenty.

teaandcakeordeath

@applestoapples
This probably comes from watching Far and Away at an impressionable age (there is no other age to watch Far and Away) but for some reason I really believed in their marriage whereas TomKat had more of a stench of convenience attached to it which might explain Nicole's silence. Also the article makes the point that things have changed a lot in the last 10 years for Scientology as a whole so maybe Katie feels like she has more options? I feel like Im thinking about this too much.

applestoapples

@teaandcakeordeath I think it's partially because Tom filed for divorce from Nicole, and I think his people did spin a lot of it to his advantage since he was the allegedly aggrieved party.

And also, I do think part of his marriage with Nicole was real, which made all the difference. But I also don't think Tom ever got Nicole to buy into Scientology, which might have been a big point of contention down the line.

Steph

@applestoapples God I would KILL to hear Nicole's story though.

applestoapples

@teaandcakeordeath So according to the Village Voice, Tom was inactive in the CoS during his marriage to Nicole, because Nicole wasn't into it.
After they divorced, Tom went through a "religious reawakening" and his handlers decided he needed to be with someone who wouldn't try to distract him from Scientology. Hence, the recruiting.

EpWs

@Steph Also, can we talk about how much better Nicole Kidman looks, in every way, now that she's married to Keith Urban? She's smiling ALL THE TIME. Her hair is RED again. She lives in NASHVILLE. She is delightful.

Steph

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher Yes she just looks so happy! But she never talks about Cruise or the fact that her kids basically ditched her (I read they call Katie Mom). I want her to write the juiciest tell all.

Lu2
Lu2

As delicious as it might be to hear about her personal experience with Tom, I don't know that we need Katie Holmes to spill on Scientology when we have Inside Scientology, by Janet Reitman! I read it recently, and it is well researched and chock-full of info. I recommend it highly. (and she's also the author of the Rolling Stone series; this is the book-form followup to that.)

redonion

@Lu2 I think you have just directed me to my next summer read. Thank you!

WhiskeySour

@Lu2 Immediately added to my Kindle list. Thank you. Yay, more reading about cults!

stonefruit

@Lu2 YES that book! It definitely kept me up late several nights.

sudden but inevitable betrayal

I have family members who are ardent Scientologists and live/work on a big SeaOrg cruise ship. It's weird because other than being Scientologists they are SUCH amazing, cool people and I just cannot imagine them being a part of a cult that's as huge and powerful and wicked as everyone seems to think Scientology is (I mean, Katie Holmes having to use burner cell phones to facilitate her divorce seems a little ridiculous). Or maybe I've been brainwashed by association! Maybe my loved ones are trapped and can't get away! (My cousin did run away to my parents' house once, but he eventually went back...)

Heat Signature

@sudden but inevitable betrayal Maybe every time you see them they slip some sort of weird mind-control drug into your drink so that they SEEM amazing and cool and that makes you want to be a Scientologist, but like, subconciously. Never let your drink out of your sight, and pour your own drinks, is what I'm getting at.

myrna.minkoff

@sudden but inevitable betrayal I have an aunt and uncle that are Jehovah's Witnesses, but they are so nice and normal-seeming most of the time! I don't understand?!

Lu2
Lu2

@sudden but inevitable betrayal --It's interesting; the Reitman book, after hundreds of pages of documented weirdness (corporal punishment, emotional abuse and control, near-slavery, Xenu, etc.), interviews some young people (teens/20s) who grew up in Scientology, and one or two of them are lucid and functional in the world as it is and seem to have a balanced view of Scientology. So it is clearly possible. One of them, a very intelligent young woman, left for a time and then found her way back of her own accord. Still, I think on the whole it can be asserted with a degree of confidence that the movement on the whole is something of a malignant force, especially in its upper echelons.

PistolPackinMama

@myrna.minkoff Someone once said to me "I don't understand how you can be such a good person and be a liberal."

Yes.

Also, people have/ have had exactly the same response to Catholics and youname it. So, that happens. I think it's just a thing.

Maybe what I am saying is, people tend to be more alike than they are different, really.

Cavendish

@sudden but inevitable betrayal I grew up in Scientology and my mom is still in it. My mom is lovely and wonderful, so I believe your family is too. I think most "civilian" Scientologists are good, well-intentioned people, and it's just the upper management/David Miscavige that has gone crazy. Regular Scientologists are well insulated from what goes on in the Sea Org and the management "bases," which is where The Hole is and all that craziness is.

Ophelia

@Cavendish This is probably pretty spot-on, regardless of which religion we're talking about!

VDRE

I spent so much time reading about this yesterday and I came across Ex Scientology kids which, like the name implies, is descriptions of Scientology from kids that were born into it and got out. My favorite part is the FAQ for kids that are still in Scientology. So sad/fascinating!

Barry Grant

@VDRE
exscientologykids.com "503 - Service unavailable"

Hmmm ...

VDRE

@Barry Grant ACTUALLY I think that was my fault. This link should work.

eiffeldesigns

I know it probably makes me a bad person, but I cannot get enough of this story. It's got to be the best celebrity gossip to hit since, well, I can't think of anything that tops this, really. And I used to be in an USWeekly Fantasy League, so I know a wee bit of what I speak.

And it's like a real life version of Not Without My Daughter where Katie Holmes is Sally Field. I'm surprised someone hasn't done a photoshop of this: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE4MTQwNjMzNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjAyOTM2NA@@._V1._SY317_.jpg

nogreeneggs

@Kirs I was just thinking this was just like that book/movie! Both situations are equally scary.

wrappedupinbooks

@Kirs tell me more about this "USWeekly Fantasy League" of which you speak. I need to know.

itiresias

can't...understand...why she was in it...to begin with...

nogreeneggs

@itiresias My personal opinion is that she was blinding by him being OMGTOMCRUISE her childhood crush and did not really think about Scientology part until it was too late. Not that I know really anything about her. That's just the only scenario that makes sense to me.

Statham

I'd like to go on the record as stating that this is the first time I have ever cheered for Katie Holmes.

themegnapkin

@Statham is there anyone who is not a Scientologist who is Team Tom?

Statham

@themegnapkin There's been quite a few blog posts in support of him by girls who have crushes on him revoltingly enough.

fondue with cheddar

@Statham My friend met him in the late 80's/early 90's and she said he was a douchebag even then.

rosemaryandthyme

@jen325 Did you ever read the AV Club article with Bronson Pinchot where he talks about how weird Tom Cruise was back in the Top Gun days? A sample:

"He was tense and made constant, constant unrelated homophobic comments, like, 'You want some ice cream, in case there are no gay people there?' I mean, his lingo was larded with the most… There was no basis for it. It was like, 'It’s a nice day, I’m glad there are no gay people standing here.' Very, very strange."

Here's the link if you're interested:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/bronson-pinchot,34310/

fondue with cheddar

@rosemaryandthyme Wow, that is...just really weird. The homophobia rubs me the wrong way of course, but even more than that it sounds like he just didn't know how to talk to people. Like he's got an autism spectrum disorder or something. Very odd.

FoxyRoxy

The only subject that has ever scared me as a writer is Scientology. The whole thing is so fascinating and creepy and criminal-ish. Auditing! But mostly I am glad Joey Potter is free and as smart as I always thought she was.

angermonkey

@FoxyRoxy The stories about how Clearwater, Florida is basically a Scientology camp? Yeah, that stuff is WEIRD.

FoxyRoxy

@FoxyRoxy I read this amazing article, I can't remember where, about Clearwater and all the video cameras and how they chase you down if you take pictures of Scientology property.

Vera Knoop

@FoxyRoxy The St. Petersburg Times, maybe? They're based right nearby and have done a fairly extensive series.

Inconceivable!

I am just eating this stuff up with a spoon. GIVE ME MORE. Get 'em, Katie!

Porn Peddler

GLOVES OFF, KATIE. GO HARD. FUCK YES.

Briony Fields

That bit about the church turning Nicole Kidman's kids against her BREAKS. MY. HEART. How fucking cruel. Poor Nicole, I'm glad she's getting a bit of good press out of this, finally.

wee_ramekin

@Briony Fields Yeah, that's one of the most tragic things that I took away from this whole thing. Not only was she blindsided by the divorce (if we are to believe her), but then her kids are brainwashed against her. That is absolutely terrible.

I was a little sickened by the way the article seemed to pit Kidman and Holmes against each other at the beginning. There was more than a whiff of "Katie is fighting for her kid UNLIKE ICE QUEEN NICOLE". It's only after you read further that you realize how much stronger the Scientologists were when Nicole was going through her divorce, and how much less support there was for her.

# :(

whizz_dumb

Wow, I just spent a couple hours reading about stupid Scientology. I knew it was messed up before, but sheesh, that shit is really messed up. But to be fair, all religions start off as cults, some just brainwash more than others I guess.

Vera Knoop

I am so fascinated by this stuff (and clearly not alone.) Does anyone remember that couple who committed suicide a couple of years ago in NYC? They were both artists, had lived in LA, and got sucked into this folie a deux centered around the idea that Scientology was stalking them based on some work they'd done with people who were members. While that's not actually out of character for the cult, in this case it did seem like the couple were blowing its interest in (and very real harassment of) them somewhat out of proportion.

(Here's one article: http://nymag.com/news/features/36091/)

Nutmeg

Seeing as my real name's Katie (COVER = BLOWN), my first thought when I saw this was, "I COULD??? TELL ME HOW"

garbagepail

If you want to read the most eye-opening article about Scientology, you can find it here: (http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html). This is an interview with L Ron Hubbard Junior, the founder's son, who grew up with his father at the beginning of Scientology and worked in the cult throughout his adulthood.

fondue with cheddar

@garbagepail Wow, that's about the deepest inside you can get. I'm so glad my boss is on vacation today so I can read the whole thing right now! Thanks!

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