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Wednesday, July 18, 2012

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Checking in With the Patriarchy

Previously: Why Aren't We on OKCupid?

Ann Friedman is unemployed, which means she has the time to fuck with all sorts of systems of oppression.



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Nicole Cliffe

Well, my week is looking up.

milenakent

How fun is that!@n

When I Blink

Leggings, motherfucker!

Oh my word. Too funny. Thank you.

SarahP

I'm pretty sure most of my pairs of leggings are colluding with the patriarchy.

maybe partying will help

Oh man, the coconut Fage is my jam.

maybe partying will help

@maybe partying will help

And, this is how I'm fucking with the patriarchy today: every comic book I bought today is lady-led. And AWESOME.

Probs

@maybe partying will help if that's the case, are you pumped for Smut Peddler?

TARDIStime

@maybe partying will help
what is a "fage"? I'm hopelessly naive...

Spice&Snails&PuppyDogTails

@TARDIStime It is delicious thick wonderful greek yogurt. ALTHOUGH I DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS COCONUT. (off on quest to look for coconut fage.)

TARDIStime

@Spice&Snails&PuppyDogTails
yummmmmmmm!

Lesliepop

@maybe partying will help
I looked on the Fage website and didn't find any coconut flavor in any of the product line. Do you live in the U.S.? I must have coconut Fage!

maybe partying will help

@Lesliepop

I do live in the US but now I'm looking in my fridge and starting to think that maybe the coconut Greek yogurt of my dreams was Liberte, not Fage.

D:D:D:

I HAVE MISLED YOU ALL.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

wait am i supposed to be mad about leggings and vibrators? cuz......

Emby

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood I know, right? If I'd known that's all they wanted, I wouldn't have stolen all the Fage.

redheaded&crazy

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood it depends if you're with the patriarchy or against it!

annlf

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood Are you the patriarchy personified? If not, totally cool to like all of these things!

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@annlf and i mean if any ladies wanna ogle me while im wearing my apron at work in the coffee shop im not opposed or anything

redheaded&crazy

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood nice butt!

ThatWench

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood
The top-shelf vibrators make sense, since the "system" is busy making terrible, poisonous vibrators and telling us only dysfunctional and/or deviant women need these "novelty toys." So it's patriarchy-protesting, in that one is rejecting the subpar options pressed upon us for the actually-good-for-us options we demanded and got.

The leggings, I just don't understand.

LB
LB

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood I took it to mean that we are wearing our skirts to be comfy and not to display our legs for the male gaze. That is kind of how I feel whenever I wear a skirt and leggings - super comfy and no one is looking for the wind to blow up my skirt or anything. But it's too hot right now. So I wear bike shorts under my skirts instead. Suck it, Creepers!

eiffeldesigns

It is too hot for leggings. I will let my legs fly free!

Statham

@Kirs My legs will only be giving the patriarchy the stink-eye this fall and winter.

eiffeldesigns

@Statham And then I will do it with aplomb.

Yahtzii

@Kirs I'll wear a skirt without shaving my legs. HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW, PATRIARCHY?

eiffeldesigns

@Yahtzii I did that today!!! Hairy legs fuckin' shit up!

Yankee Peach

This explains so much. My local supermarche was out of Fage and I was, shall we say, a bit distraught.

StandardTuber

@Yankee Peach Let me tell you something, Fage is sold cheap at Costco! Blew my mind. And they always have tons of it! The big tubs, though, not the tippy-cup single serving ones.

Going back to work now. :)

alexandra

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood you're supposed to be JEALOUS.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@alexandra girls getting sexual satisfaction is a win for everybody

redheaded&crazy

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood I guess you're against it.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@redheaded&crazie They prob wouldn't like me anyways, thinking the gender binary is bullshit and such

atipofthehat

@redheaded&crazie

I am against it as much as possible, if not actually into it.

redheaded&crazy

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood i like how this joke has layers

and it's not even my birthday

@redheaded&crazie

Layers like a VAGINA.

eraserface

OMG YES SAFEWAY FUCKS ME BY NOT HAVING FAGE ALL THE TIMEEEEEEE

Seriously, how many people besides me go through the giant tub of nonfat Fage every week? I refuse to believe I'm surrounded by that many yogurt junkies.

Hot Doom

@eraserface No but seriously, I'm a two-tub of 0% Fage/weekly kinda gal and when the shop is out, it fucks me right off. WHEN WILL THIS GAY GENE KICK IN!?

Lily Rowan

Um, after actually watching Louis CK on the Daily Show, I'm not mad at him. And I have been a Spokesperson for the Feminists! (A long time ago and on campus, but still.)

TheUnchosenOne

@Lily Rowan I'm still pretty mad at him. What there was to applaud was surrounded and couched in so much bullshit sexism and misogyny that it was hard to even get to it. So many old, hoary tropes about how feminists are humorless, and the natural enemy of comedians who can't take criticism which makes them "pussies." And how he still thinks rape jokes are totes hilarious! And so much bullshit gender essentialism "Men don't listen! Women are so emotional!" that just made me want to puke. Plus his silencing "Hey, we listened, now shut the fuck up while the menfolk talk, ladies." Okay, sure you listened. Not very well, apparently.

Amphora

@TheUnchosenOne Uh...so you didn't read the subtext of his interview at all, then? It's true, he can be a little subtle.

TheUnchosenOne

@Amphora Apparently. I guess I'm just too stupid to get it.

TheBourneApproximation

@TheUnchosenOne The Daily Show interview succeeded in making me mad at him. I love Louis CK, but he's not great on gender a lot of the time. The interview was a comedian's version of CNN's idiotic attempts at bipartisan balance, or of people who say that atheists are just as bad as religious fundamentalists. He gets the fun of feeling superior to both, while drawing a shit ton of false equivalencies. Damn it, I'm a feminist and I love comedy! What Daniel Tosh did was shitty non-comedy. Because CK is usually genuinely hilarious and gets things right a larger percentage of the time than most comedians, I feel like we give a lot of the things he says a major pass, where we'd be attacking a lesser comedian.

Amphora

@TheUnchosenOne You know he has two daughters, right? And is generally the kind of person who is thoughtful, albeit maybe colorful, in his skewering of cultural assumptions and norms? And you're gonna be all upset cause he gave a nuanced view on a subject you care about? I don't understand.

TheUnchosenOne

@TheBourneApproximation I really love him too! He's got some good (though not particularly deep) stuff on race, and a lot of his material on parenting seems like it would be exactly the kind of thing I'd need to hear if and when I have kids. He's even said smart things about rape. If he was someone like Dane Cook I'd just write him off. But I know Louis CK is smart enough to know better. I expect more from him.

Reginal T. Squirge

This is the problem with constructing heroes.

TheUnchosenOne

@Amphora What nuance was there? It was a load of sexism covering a dollop of "Hey, I'm learning!" He's ALWAYS been shitty about gender issues. His act is full to bursting with "Men are like THIS, women are like THIS" bullshit, and usually I'm willing to just look past it. Not this time.

VDRE

@TheUnchosenOne I second this. Call me lacking in the ability to detect subtlety but what he said made me pretty angry, especially the "we listened so now you can shut the fuck up". Maybe he was kidding! Maybe I'm a humorless feminist! But what he said sure didn't sound like kidding and even if it was I'm pretty sure there were plenty of people that took him seriously and most of those people probably agreed with him and are now even more confident in their humorless-feminist-women-have-too-many-feelings beliefs.

TheUnchosenOne

@VDRE Even if he was kidding, he's smart enough to know there's a time to joke and a time to be serious, and this was the latter, because of exactly what you mentioned: lots of people are going to feel justified in their awful beliefs because he just validated them.

I just so did not get the sense that he was skewering the people who believe what he was saying.

redheaded&crazy

@Reginal T. Squirge getting revved up for dark knight rises i see?

Reginal T. Squirge

@redheaded&crazie

YOU GOT ME THERE!

Seriously, though, he said, "Feminists can't take a joke, stereotypically speaking." And when he said that, some people in the audience objected. He then said, "See?" And got a big laugh. That's a classic douche move. "Oh, what are you getting so upset about you big baby!? It was just a joke!"

M'fly

@TheUnchosenOne Yeah, I didn't see the nuance in it either. I forgive a lot of his bullshit because sometimes he's great. But that interview? Sexist bullshit through and through, no question about it. I didn't see anything tongue in cheek about it, and nowhere in the interview did he say he wasn't going to make rape jokes anymore, which a lot of people (not here, on the general internets) have been claiming he said.

TheUnchosenOne

@M'fly I know! I've been seeing that everywhere, and it confounds me to no end. He even specifically said "Rape jokes are still funny to me." Which, I mean, yeah, if they're at the expense of rapists. But I got the feeling he didn't actually mean that.

redheaded&crazy

@Reginal T. Squirge I'm definitely gonna go home and watch this interview, but I'm kind of sad I didn't see it before reading this thread.

Amphora

@TheUnchosenOne He knows his audience. People who watch the Daily Show are not all going to think "hey, this reinforces my skewed ideas of gender!" The joke about women shutting the fuck up was a poke at the idea that men are qualified to arbitrate on women's issues, specifically that hearing on birth control where no women were allowed to speak. "Feminists can't take a joke. *dead silence.* See?" I think what you missed is that he was saying comedians need to take criticism and consider WHY they're criticized rather than reacting like Daniel Tosh did with the you don't understand my comedic art type BS.

And this is why it's never a good idea to decide someone isn't on your side and then write everything they say off. The dismissive refusal to consider more than one angle is exactly what adds fodder to the notion that a woman who believes strongly in feminism is autocratically trying to impose her will on others, rather than showing resistance to an actual structural issue in our society.

TheUnchosenOne

@Amphora I've known several people who watch The Daily Show and would in fact think "Thank you, Louis, that's exactly what I was thinking."

I decided he wasn't on my side on this after hearing him say he wasn't on my side, not a second before. I DESPERATELY want him to understand, and he so, so obviously doesn't.

If you're seeing satire I can't really convince you it's not there, but I'm not seeing it at all.

Amphora

@TheUnchosenOne I'm not saying Your Opinion is Wrong and You Can't Have It, but satire is a huge part of Louis C.K.'s whole shtick and he was on a satirical show to boot. Painting him as a sexist pig is just reductive, which is exactly what feminists should NOT be.

Reginal T. Squirge

I kind of agree with everyone here all at once. While Louis CK is certainly not the enemy and what he said was (I thought) meant to be satirical (AND he prefaced it with "stereotypcially speaking"), there was something about the way he mentioned feminists and the crowd's reaction to it that made me feel upset. As in, "There go those crazy feminists again!"

Not to mention that he failed to point out that "feminist" and "comedian" are NOT mutually exclusive.

elsbels

@TheUnchosenOne It sucks, because he can tell a good rape joke. I think the "stereotypically speaking" is important though. And I do think there are good rape jokes, that joke about how he wouldn't have killed Hitler, but rather raped him is good, because it shows how awful the crime is even compared to something like murder.

M'fly

@TheUnchosenOne Yeah, that's why I'm not buying the sophisticated satire angle, personally. Knowing that Jon Stewart doesn't have the greatest track record on feminism, and knowing that his show is a favorite of many, many fauxgressives just doesn't give me confidence that that those kind of remarks were meant in a satirical way.

PatatasBravas

@TheUnchosenOne I don't really have much to add here besides that I categorically agree with you, and I thought you should have more than a thumbs-up of agreement. Louis CK disappointed me this week. He could do better, and he decided not to.

VDRE

@Amphora I know plenty of people that watch The Daily Show and think of themselves as progressive and liberal but still have some iffy views on women and feminism that would have definitely identified with Louis CK's comments (when viewed as serious and not satire). I'm not saying that he is a terrible person or a sexist pig, I didn't go into the interview expecting to hate him and disagree with what he said, but I was upset by some of the things he said. While TDS is a satirical show the guests generally are not- there are plenty of serious people on the show that give serious interviews despite Jon Stewart's funny questions, furthermore the satirical segments on TDS are pushed to the point of absurdity so it is extremely obvious that they are satirical. Because this was an interview (even though he's a comedian) and because it wasn't as obviously satirical as the rest of TDS I think that if Louis's comments were satirical he did a poor job of making that clear.
Also I feel that your point above that he has daughters is irrelevant- plenty of people have daughters or wives/girlfriends or mothers and are still sexist and/or say sexist things.

stonefruit

@Amphora I feel like you're trying to have a "what you are" conversation, when this is more of a "what you said" conversation. (I can't link to videos, but I'm thinking of the Jay Smooth one about "how to tell someone they sound racist" and it is amazing.) This sounds to me like Pinners saying, wow, he said some effed up things, that was really disappointing - not, he's a bad sexist person.

And having two daughters does not make someone immune to making effed up, sexist BS comments. Whoops, just saw that VDRE said the same thing, ditto that!

TheUnchosenOne

@stonefruit This is exactly how I was going to respond. I don't think he's terrible, or just a sexist pig! If I did I wouldn't even be talking about him. I think what he SAID was sexist. Yes, satire's a huge part of his act, but he has a giant blind spot right where he should be looking at gender issues. It's always been a problem with him, which is disappointing because he can, and often does, do better. Even on gender issues, he sometimes nails it.

He might not be the enemy but he certainly isn't doing anything to help with this.

TheUnchosenOne

@elsbels That's definitely one that I would put in the category of "good rape joke." Even Dane fucking Cook has a good one about how getting raped is not, actually, very much like a game of Halo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJjdFV5ZS7s

tales

@Amphora UGH, misogyny's just a JOKE. Why can't feminists just GET the JOKE. UGH. COME ON FEMINISTS. When I said you were all humorless (feel free to substitute whatever slur or attack we're using this week) it was all just SATIRE. GOD.

tales

If he talks like a misogynist, he's a misogynist. You maybe get a pass if no one's ever challenged you to actually think about these things before, but I somehow doubt Louis CK got where he is without being called out on this crap. I, however, find him grating, unpleasant, and gender-essentialist so am not inclined to make excuses. As a sidebar, I don't think rape jokes are ever funny (don't you even start throwing that George Carlin or Sarah Silverman shit at me, I hate those too) and find (mainstream) comedy's eagerness to defend "good" rape jokes to be extremely messed up.

(THAT LAST BIT is not to shame or be a jerk to anyone who disagrees and has heard jokes dealing with rape that they are cool with!)

steponitvelma

@Amphora The whole thing came off as satire to me as well. Which is why I don't think he really meant that we should kill all the jews.

TheUnchosenOne

@tales I agree that "rape jokes aren't funny" is a good rule of thumb. I think there are a handful of exceptions, all of which are at the expense of rapists, but I know not everyone agrees and so I, personally, just don't ever tell even those.

Amphora

@tales Thanks for that. The internet needs more sarcasm. You can paint this whole issue in black and white if it works for you, but I don't think that course is such a good idea for everyone.

VDRE

@steponitvelma I feel like the Jew joke was much more obvious than the women/feminism ones. I think it helped that the idea that the Holocaust was bad is way more recognized than the idea that women don't only make decisions based on emotion or that feminists can have a sense of humor. When I was watching the interview it felt to me like the overt satire was really in sharp contrast to the rest of what he was saying and honestly it made me feel even worse about the interview.

Amphora

@stonefruit Good point. I'm not saying he didn't say overtly sexist things, but that I read a different meaning into them. I think this comedian is a person who, not unusually, has a complicated relationship with women and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

tales

@Amphora You know what the internet really needs? More apologists for bigots. But since you seem to have that locked down, I figured I'd go with sarcasm. Only now you're trying to take that, too! What's a girl to do?

redheaded&crazy

@VDRE ok i still havent gotten around to watching this video (i ... i've never watched anything louis ck has ever done but yeah yeah everybody loves him so i'm catching up on his stand up first)

but the stereotype about feminists not having a sense of humour is so PREDOMINANT. its so fucking frustrating!

i'm getting emotional just talking about it.

redheaded&crazy

@redheaded&crazie ugh i feel like this sounds so whiny. "first world problems" "white person problems" etc. sorry guys. but. STILL.

Amphora

@tales Oh good lord. Please don't throw words like bigot around.

redheaded&crazy

@redheaded&crazie on second thought, rape is not just a first world problem or a white person problem, so at least it's a topic worth discussing and getting upset about.

redheaded&crazy

@redheaded&crazie and didnt we agree we were going to start calling them something different? like the jerkcircus? im starting to feel like a stereotype myself here

tales

@redheaded&crazie Re: emotional, see all my comments above. My ragemonster has been stomping around all willy-nilly inside my brain. But thank you for reminding me of the jerkcircus! Fuck the jerkcircus and its apologists! I'm going to go meditate and watch some Target Women.

cosmia

@redheaded&crazie Oh, absolutely. This specific problem is relevant to us in the first-world, but rape-apologism and the patriarchy is something that effects women EVERYWHERE.

stonefruit

@VDRE I also think Louis C.K. is Jewish? So I give him a little more leeway there (an "us" joke rather than a "them" joke).

Atheist Watermelon

@VDRE I'm with you on this- I like the show Louie (most of the time), and I think C.K.'s stand up is funny most of the time, nuanced satire etc. etc.; however, while his appearance on TDS contained a lot of satire, I found that the two "poke the feminists with a sharp stick" bits ("feminists don't have a sense of humor" and "women are overly emotional and you need to shut the fuck up, because we heard you already"), while said in a satirical tone, contained a ring of truth that I found disconcerting. I don't think that he was satirically painting himself as the jerk misogynist comedian; I think he was BEING a jerk misogynist and trying to make it seem like the only reason anyone would think that would be because they were oversensitive feminists. Which is a really facile tack to take.

On the other hand, I'm not super up in arms about it because it's not as though he's ever painted himself as particularly sensitive to the feminist cause. There's nothing terribly new here. It's just disappointing, because he is one of the better American comedians, and he really only succeeded in making himself look like another misogynistic jackass pandering to his bro dude audience.

bitzyboozer

@Didldidi I was really excited to see him on the Daily Show but then it just made me sad. I appreciated the part where he talked about the experience teaching him how big an impact rape has on the way women live their lives. But all of the "satirical" stuff about the way "feminists," or let's just say women, have responded to the situation had an uncomfortable ring of "this is the way this guy really feels, couched in a bit of ironic humor so he can play it off" to it. I wasn't exactly surprised, considering his track record of categorically supporting comedians in any kind of controversy over getting called out on what they say (see the Tracey Morgan gay rant). It was nice that he called out comedians in general on not being able to take criticism. Mostly I just wished he would stop talking about it, much like I wish everyone would stop talking about this incident forever.

redheaded&crazy

pretty sure the patriarchy fucked my WHOLE week up. bastards.

cuminafterall

You know what really fucks with me? How they sell 2% Fage in a 7-oz. cup, but 0% Fage in a 6-oz. cup, because that way it is exactly 100 calories. It is less food! But it costs the same!

Amphora

@cuminafterall And why is it none of the three grocery stores near me sell REGULAR Fage? Low-fat yogurt is a patriarchal conspiracy.

madge

@cuminafterall that is harsh!! what fucks with me is that i can almost never get the full-fat version in a big tub, and it is my favorite!

VolcanoMouse

@madge @Amphora Seriously, fuck Publix and Super Walmart and even the groovy locally owned grocery store for never having full-fat Fage.

cuminafterall

@madge THERE IS FULL-FAT FAGE?! Fuck Safeway for never even having that, at all, ever.

Amphora

@cuminafterall Full-fat yogurt will change your mind on yogurt forever. It's like Devonshire cream versus non-dairy creamer in your hot beverage of choice.

Megasus

WE DON'T EVEN GET FAGE HERE JUST NASTY CHOBANI

redheaded&crazy

@Megano! i'm always glad to have some kind of external reason for me not knowing what something is! Although apparently you still know what fage is. so I guess we're back to square one (which is me being oblivious) (and also, us not having fage i guess).

Statham

@redheaded&crazie I didn't know what it was either, so I had to google image search it only to realize I see it on the grocery store shelf all the time and ignore it. SO I have the worst excuse of all time.

theotherginger

@redheaded&crazie so it's total greek yogurt. I just looked it up. Is it better than what we can find in the grocery store? Even nice ones?

atipofthehat

@redheaded&crazie

Hmm. Not sure you can get it in Canada, but you can probably get better in Greektown!

redheaded&crazy

@robyn.andrews I looked it up too! for some reason i thought i was going to find it under urban dictionary as an acronym for FEMINIST RAGE.

@atipofthehat or I'll just have it delivered! I'm sure customs wouldn't take issue.

sovereignann@twitter

@Megano! I like my full fat Greek Gods yogurt. I'm sure there is some conspiracy or something that makes that wrong, but it is DEEElicious.

sovereignann@twitter

@Megano! Also, I agree with your Chobani rage. Why does it dry like powder when I spill it? And am I wrong in thinking that all these other non Fage non Greek Gods yogurts have corn starch in them to make them thicker? They just have that kind of weird slightly powdery/dry mouth feel... And to clarify I like Fage but have trouble finding it.

Megasus

@sovereignann@twitter I'm not sure if I had Greek Gods either, but Liberte is pretty good, although waaaaay too expensive.

Hot Doom

@sovereignann@twitter So, here's my thing with Fage and I never realised it before I moved to England, so maybe it's a Eurozone thang, but Fage is the only Greek yogurt I can find in shops that is actually, technically Greek. Now, I would not generally give a shit where my yogurt comes from, but the stuff made in Greece or Macedonia does not send me into lactose-intolerant fits like all the other UK-produced, 'Greek-style' yogurt. I'm really (ha, not really) sorry for turning this into a WTF Yogurt thread, but does anyone else have not as many lactose-intolerant issues with Fage..or other, Greeky things?

Oh, my other thing with Fage is that it's delicious.

atipofthehat

@redheaded&crazie

Or, to tie in with the theme, you could maybe get Orthodox FAGE from a Patriarch of Toronto.

(Hope that wasn't too Sotirios)

feartie

@Megano! I'd never really thought about it before, but now I can't unthink this: fage is pronounced 'fadge' right? So it rhymes with..um..vadge? The f/v difference isn't that strong, so I don't think I'm being too weird in thinking that. Anyway. Feminist yoghurt in the extreme.

Hot Doom

@feartie Feminist yoghurt! Also a home remedy for yeast infections!?!?

though, according to America's Test Kitchen, it's actually pronounced 'figh-yuh', like the end is nigh-yuh.

dtowngirl

@feartie hahahaha! I like that it would rhyme with vadge. But if my many years of Greek school taught me anything, it's "fa-ye."

Amphora

@dtowngirl Fa-yeh and yee-roh!

pterodactgirl

@feartie "It's pronounced Fay-eh!" This exact phrase is on the label in small print, which is the only reason I know it, but for some reason I'm the only one who seems to see it? I've had several people refer to Fayge or Fadge and then think I'm being pretentious when I respond with (after several minutes of figuring shit out) "Oh you mean 'Fay-eh'?" I'm not being pretentious! It's on the label! ...Right? It is isn't it? Somebody back me up, because I'm starting to think I'm crazy.

redheaded&crazy

@pterodactgirl its too late my brain is stuck! I can't un-pronounce it faygeeeeeeee

leylusha

@pterodactgirl
Backing you up 'cause my mother and I always pronounced it FAH-yeh cause of the label. I miss it so much now that I live in Toronto :( Not even Whole Foods has it. Nor Siggi's Icelandic strained yogurt for that matter.

narwhalsandwich

@pterodactgirl I prefer fah-YEA, because I feel that it emphasizes my enthusiasm for yogurt.

pterodactgirl

@narwhalsandwich Baby, Light my Fay-eh?

...I'll show myself out.

narwhalsandwich

@pterodactgirl love it. I can see the commercial now...

coreykins

@pterodactgirl You are definitely correct! I'm eating some right now.

LB
LB

@Megano! I ate Chobani for the first time this week - bought a giant tub assuming I would love it as I do all other Greek yogurt I've ever eaten - and I literally gagged and had a stomachache all morning. I was shocked by how gross it was and how nasty it made me feel.

nature_morte

@Megano! It's pronounced something in between "fayeh" and "fageh". Basically the gama is a tricky sound for foreigners to make, but you should be ok with fageh. It is most definitely not pronounced fadge. Not at all. Not even a little bit. In fact I'm not even sure most Greeks would even be able to say fadge. But I might have some fun asking my friends to try... :P

leonstj

This representative of the patriarchy didn't even know what Fage was. I'm also with Josh on the leggings and sex toys.

tales

@leon.saintjean I think the point was made above, but "dude" does not equal "representative of the patriarchy". The next time someone calls themself a representative of the patriarchy I will assume they are indeed engineers of our patriarchal oppression and assemble the feminist death squad.

Bittersweet

@leon.saintjean Do guys really like leggings? To me, leggings, without being covered up by a tunic or skirt, are basically just thick tights and make no one of any body type look good. But maybe there's an aesthetic thing I'm missing here.

leonstj

@Bittersweet - guys like leggings when worn just like, w/ a tshirt, because then it's basically like "oh, this is the shape of my entire lower body!" - and the thing is, as I've said here many times before, guys enjoy women in general more than they give a shit about magazine-defined "perfection".

DISCLAIMER: I mean this as in a "that is a thing that looks appealing to us, not of course as a "the only worth women have is as sex objects," etc etc, and I'm an advocate of a world where the gaze is not a unilateral power relationship, and yet people (of any gender or sexuality) can see (not stare/gawk, but notice, appreciate, move on with life) things which they find sexually/aesthetically appealing without demeaning, demoralizing, or disadvantaging the gazed.

Does Axl have a jack?

@leon.saintjean I like your disclaimer a lot. (That sounds a bit dirty.)

LB
LB

@Bittersweet Wait, I thought it was saying patriarchal guys don't like leggings - how we're fucking with the patriarchy - because then ogling dudes can't see our legs or hope to see our butt/vag if our skirt flips up. I did not even remember that some people where leggings as pants because that is so outside of my comfort-zone. When I wear skirt plus leggings I feel like I have all the comfort powers of a skirt with all the running and jumping powers of pants!

Bittersweet

@LB You could be right. In my hometown (Boston) and in recent trips to NYC, though, I've noticed many ladies wearing only leggings and haven't thought it was a flattering look for any body type. But I like the idea of screwing with ogling dudes by wearing leggings! Let's stick with that interpretation.

Sensory Homoncula

@leon.saintjean I like your disclaimer & I step forward to REPRESENT!! I like to gaze with joy upon the glory of a human animal. I may be old, but I'm not DEAD.

bb
bb

99% "making jokes about Tina Turner and domestic violence on the Hairpin" vs 99% "coldly glaring at said comment"

right?

Amphora

@bb Definitely the WTF moment of the day.

stonefruit

@bb YUP. Get rid of your patriarchy on the Hairpin threads, seriously, it is revolting.

laurel

@bb: I missed this. What are you referring to?

laurel

@PatatasBravas: I often enjoy STC's special brand of extreme inappropriateness. But timing is everything and you've got to really commit to the joke. The little disclaimer just undermined the whole thing and made him seem defensive.

stonefruit

@laurel yep, and the "n00b" follow-up comment sure didn't do much to make the "violence against women = hilarious" comment seem less obnoxious either.

FoxyRoxy

The Fage thing should be about half of the pie. I have this problem regularly. It's very hard to deal with.

eiffeldesigns

Greek style yogurt is soooo 2009. Skyr is where it is at. Seriously. Try it. It's fucking delicious.

atipofthehat

@Kirs

Agreed. And the thick, spreadable yogurt can be made cheaply with a yogurt strainer.

charmcity

@Kirs Oh my Lord. I Googled Skyr after reading your comment and the Friday Siggi sale sign I pass at the Whole Foods near my train every day came into glorious focus. ICELANDIC SPREADABLE CHEESE?! Helloooooo, nurse!

atipofthehat
eiffeldesigns

@atipofthehat That was great

atipofthehat

@atipofthehat

It starts like this:

"Dear Ms. Shultz,

We are doing an expose on journalists in the elite media who socialize with elected officials they are assigned to cover. We have found numerous photos of you with Sen. Sherrod Brown. In one of them, you appear to be hugging him.

Care to comment?"

stonefruit

@atipofthehat That made my afternoon.

phenylalanine

Can I take a second and complain about Marvel? Because oh, instead of a Black Widow origin movie (It could be like a spy thriller thing with ScarJo and Jeremy Renner HOW AMAZING WOULD THAT BE?), we needed yet ANOTHER movie about a nerdy scientist white guy giving himself superpowers? WE HAVE LIKE FIVE OF THOSE ALREADY. Ugh, fucking Ant-Man. Coulda had Jan or Wanda or Luke Cage or Carol, but noooooo.

And then in their new Guardians movie (which, to be fair, I know nothing about the original comics except what others have told me) there were apparently like 4 or 5 women characters they could have included, SOME OF WHOM ARE QUEER AND DATING EACH OTHER??? And instead they chose to put exactly one woman in the movie. Obviously. And don't even get me STARTED on their bullshit excuses for why there's no Black Panther movie because NO. NO, MARVEL. NO.

...Okay, sorry, clearly that's been building all week. There's a little more CAPSLOCK RAGE here than I meant to include.

TheBourneApproximation

@phenylalanine Yes, good, let the CAPSLOCK RAGE flow through you...

TheUnchosenOne

@phenylalanine At least it's not Hank Pym.

tales

@TheUnchosenOne What, you're not into domestic-abusing superheroes?

maybe partying will help

@phenylalanine

You are not alone in your Marvel film rage. I was really hoping they would pull out a Black Widow film what with the reception the character got in Avengers, and the rumors about a Black Panther film were exciting...but of course not.

At least we get Falcon in the second Captain America, I guess.

I salved some of my Marvel movie rage with the first issue of the new Captain Marvel, which is AWZUM.

tales

@maybe partying will help Maybe this is the time to ask for some supes recommendations? I used to work at a comic shop and read for free (oh beautiful day) but have been a little broke since then (3 years or so) and am FINALLY about to head back in. I can trust y'all to make some lady-positive recommendations! Please oh please!

maybe partying will help

@tales

Oh yay, one of my favorite pastimes! What did you like to read when you were last reading/working at the shop? A few of the good Big Two titles I'm reading right now are Batwoman and Wonder Woman for DC (WW has had some plot workings I was kind of eh on, but the art is fantastic, the story is interesting, and I'm still into it), and The Punisher and Secret Avengers for Marvel. Greg Rucka is writing The Punisher. The new Captain Marvel series which started yesterday has Carol Danvers, former Ms Marvel, in the suit and I think it's going to be excellent, the first issue was wonderful. Bonus, written by Kelly Sue DeConnick.

Indies...Terry Moore's new series Rachel Rising is great. The Angel and Faith series from Dark Horse is supposed to be good, though I didn't read past the first issue for...spoilery reasons. Saga is Brian K. Vaughan and Fiona Staples' new thing and is pretty great. A couple of people I sort-of-know are writing a comic called Amelia Cole and the Unknown World!

So those are some (...a lot) of mine. I am interested to hear what other Pinners are reading!

leylusha

I wish we could get a Tankgirl movie.

miss buenos aires

@leylusha They made one in the 90s... I remember loving it, but haven't seen it in many a year.

maybe partying will help

@miss buenos aires

Yeah, the Lori Petty one! It is fun (as I recall. I haven't seen it an ages either).

Lenora Jane

@maybe partying will help BEST MOVIE BEST MOVIE

Jackie Waters@facebook

Please o please make this a reoccurring post!!!!

staircases

8% loose-fitting rompers.

Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood

@staircases I swear I'm the only person i know who doesn't hate rompers

staircases

@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood You may be ambitious and misunderstood but at least you're not the patriarchy.

stonefruit

@staircases I'm not like wild about tight-fitting rompers either, though.

Atheist Watermelon

@stonefruit wtf is a romper?? i've always wondered...

Bittersweet

@Didldidi Like a loose jumpsuit, only with shorts instead of pants. They look good only on 9-year-old girls, and even then it's questionable.

stonefruit

@Bittersweet That's a much more accurate/measured response than I was leaning toward (something along the lines of, tool of Satan/oppressor of all humanity).

okaycrochet

@stonefruit Rompers make using the bathroom a nightmare. If that doesn't qualify them as an oppressor of humanity('s bladders), I don't know what does.

meetapossum

@staircases Oh, man. The other day a girl who works in my building was wearing a flower-print pants romper, and I cannot think of anything as unflattering.

damselfish

@Bittersweet I still can't believe a romper isn't a form of toddler clothing. I mean, romper rooms and stuff!

Maybe this is just a British v. America thing, but I still do a double-take when I hear about adults in rompers when it's not some kind of baby fetish roleplay. I don't know what it says about me that baby fetish roleplay would get "oh, okay" but grown-ups in rompers makes me ???????

stonefruit

@damselfish IT IS A FORM OF TODDLER CLOTHING. Adults just started wearing them again. People, if you do not either romp or spend a lot of time in a designated romper room, seriously get rid of your rompers.

Regina Phalange

Having just watched "Friends with Kids," I think I will fuck with the patriarchy by writing a remake that focuses on the only functional, interesting couple (Chris and Maya) and includes 90% less dialogue about Megan Fox's tits. Westfeldt, COME ON!

bb
bb

@Regina Phalange Belated but correct!

TheMongreloid

I don't know why these haven't popped up on Sociological Images yet.

TARDIStime

This is so timely. I just finished reading "How to be a woman" by Caitlin Moran yesterday.
I could have just looked at pie chart #2 - quicker!
But seriously, it's such a good book about The Feminism.

TheStreet

I suppose I won't point out the irony in being mad at Louie CK's "joke" that feminists can't take a joke. But oops, I just did.

vernon hardapple

OH... For the Melbournians, Fage is a brand of labneh. Also: "In the West, the term "Greek yoghurt" has become synonymous with strained yoghurt due to successful marketing by the Greek Fage brand, though strained yoghurt is a staple in many countries besides Greece, and most yoghurt in Greece is not strained." (Wikipedia: helpful)

harebell

@vernon hardapple uh... labneh is more sour than greek yogurt. I would consider it a different product, and I'm pretty sure my Lebanese grocer would agree. Regardless of the Melbournians.
Plus, this seems pretty firmly in the category of Belgians complaining about "French fries."

vernon hardapple

@harebell Not sure what you're referring to re: the Belgians, but I was just sharing what I'd found for anyone else wondering "What's a fage?". Here, Greek yoghurt is just a kind of yoghurt, whereas strained yoghurt / labneh is very thick. I don't know, go talk to Wikipedia about it.

nature_morte

@vernon hardapple I'd always thought of Greek yoghurt as yoghurt made in Greece, which seems like a reasonable definition?

BornSecular

Ummm...am I bad at maths or does the first pie chart not add up to 100? Or maybe that's the point...? Can patriarchy only fuck with us 90% of the time? That'd be cool with me.

Atheist Watermelon

@BornSecular oh dear, you're right... hahahaa

stonefruit

@BornSecular Jenny Lewis reference in your userid? If so, AWESOME.

BornSecular

@stonefruit Yep! That song is totally my life theme song! Well, that and "Someday" by Tegan & Sarah.

narwhalsandwich

oooh, I hate when anyone comments about the cleanliness of my car. look, buddy, no one ever sits in the back seat!

spoondisaster

pretty much 89% of my week has been spent objectifying cute dudes at the coffee shop (many of which are my friends :O ) so it's all coming up spoondisaster

Tam
Tam

Late to the party but I'd say 50% wearing wedges - I don't know why dudes haaaate them, but they do. Psssh.
<3 u wedges

Not who you think it is

Hello
I have some questions:
1. Ingrown pubic hair - my male coworker had one, was that the patriarchy too?
2. If a vibrator is a blow to the patriarchy, are blow-up dolls and the blokes who use them ok?
3. Louis CK - prove him wrong, tell us a sexist joke you found funny.
4. Hetro male kids - what advice would you give to parents equally worried about having a gay kid?
5. Ogling in cafes - so is it ok? Sweet. Neither of us will have to stop.

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