I...think it looks a lot like Sucker Punch.
great gatsby, when will they make a wonderful adaptation of this side of paradise, baz! baz! baz!
I am unclear about why this movie stars Leonardo DiCaprio and not John Hamm.
Actually, overall, I don't like the casting*. Grumble, grumble. Baz Luhrmann, why are you not making my favorite book into the right movie?
*although I do like Carey Mulligan
@Ophelia Seconded. Tobey Maguire's presence in anything makes me a little stabby.
@Ophelia I don't like the casting either! I can't decide who I think is most inappropriate for which role!
@Ophelia But I want Ye As Gatsby, Rick Ross as Nick Carraway, Amber Rose as Daisy Buchanan, and Wocka Flocka as Tom Buchanan
@Ophelia I don't get Cary Mulligan--she looks like she's 12 and is constantly in "bug waiting to get squished" acting mode (thank you to the Drive comic for articulating that perfectly. Mia Farrow had more personality in her pinky.
@Ophelia I don't get Carey Mulligan...in this role. I like her a lot usually. She doesn't have that...Daisy thing. So many actresses could have pulled it off! I don't understand why they chose her.
@parallel-lines I just can't see her as anything but giggling Kitty Bennet in the Keira Knightley P&P. Doesn't matter how blonde she goes!
@parallel-lines Eh, but in this case, she's cute, and she looks like what I always imagined Daisy to look like? So I feel like those issues might be assets here?
@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood
On what might be a related note, I was digging the Frank Ocean track at the beginning of the trailer, but then was pretty much turned off when it switched to the boring stilted white person music.
@Ophelia - I've always thought Patrick Warburton would be an amazing Gatsby.
@and it's not even my birthday Agreed. I can't get over how much I hate the song. Baz, you are usually so good with the modern music/period piece mashup, but this trailor is not boding well for me.
@Ophelia "I am unclear about why this movie stars Leonardo DiCaprio and not John Hamm."
Probably because Shutter Island. And J. Edgar? Maybe also Revolutionary Road and Aviator? And Gangs of New York.
Are they even allowed to put the man in non-period films anymore? Do they call his agent and say "We're looking to put Leo in a sort of The Other Guys meets Jaws 3." and get back "Okay, but it's got to be about bootleggers and have Nazis for bad guys." I mean, I get that he looks good in spats and suspenders, but I'm not sure that's a reason to set Black Hawk Down 2: Down South during the Spanish-American War.
@wharrgarbl I'm betting it's all DiCaprio's choice. Homie wants that Oscar so bad he can taste it's smooth golden skin and he angstily reasons that history=GRAVITAS.
@Ophelia DiCaprio is the only non-Redford actor I am willing to see as Gatsby. I think the dude is insanely talented and really chooses his roles carefully.
@skyslang I know what you mean about Carey M in this role. I think she's a great actor and very beautiful, but she's not right for Daisy. CM has a very particular kind of beauty - a face you instantly remember as much for its uniqueness as its luminosity. Daisy needs to be played be someone who is striking and individual-looking, but who also has a kind of 'universal' symmetry to her face, to represent a generally agreed 'standard' of beauty, because (as far as I, probably garbled-ly, remember) she represents the American Dream or some such concept that is both universal AND personal/particular
@wharrgarbl See downthread re: high-waisted pants.
@Speaking of cake, I have cake: I've always thought of Daisy as a 20's version of Hitchcock's ice queens. Maybe Naomi Watts (too old, she'd be perfect), Diane Kruger (slightly younger, perhaps less talented Naomi Watts) Amanda Seyfried (perhaps too much of a role although Daisy's always been a rich cipher), or Kristen Bell (too strong-willed).
@acookieaday Right on you guys! That's exactly what I was thinking about in regards to Daisy.
@parallel-lines You should see Shame, she was really creepy and horrible. You forgot the "buggy" thing because she was so good at making her character horrible.
@Ophelia NO NO NO, Daisy is DARK HAIRED, why does EVERYONE ALWAYS MAKE HER BLONDE???????
Jordan is blonde. Daisy is dark. ERGH. OBVIOUSLY.
@sniffadee Actually, Fitzgerald's description is ambiguous about her hair color and suggests both at different passages.
@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood I would watch the shit outta that.
@acookieaday Yes yes yes, a million times yes! I feel in many ways Betty Draper is the Daisy Buchanan of the 60's. Also, how much would Hitchcock have LOVED January Jones? Clearly so much. Anyway, I would have loved to see January as Daisy.
@sniffadee THIS! THIS THIS THIS!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!! This drives me fucking NUTS. JORDAN IS BLONDE, DAISY IS BRUNETTE. STOP TRYING TO MAKE BLONDE DAISY HAPPEN!
This is at the core of my rage against this movie beyond the BULLSHIT that is 3D. I mean, I LOVE Baz, and I feel like he could really convey the decadence and swirling vitality of that period, but seriously, just because everyone thinks Daisy was blonde does not make it so, and that lack of attention to detail makes me fear for the rest of the film.
@Ophelia See, I've been kind of feeling like Don Draper is a 1960s version of Jay Gatsby. If the series ends with him dead in a pool, I guess we'll know for sure.
@acookieaday No way does blonde hair look like "a streak of blue paint" when wet. Daisy is either dark haired or blue haired.
@wharrgarbl Wow. He's...almost only in period films isn't he. I had never really realized it before now.
"I...think it looks a lot like Sucker Punch."
YES. THANK YOU.
@Woman Laughing Alone With Boas I watched it without sound (at work) and it basically looked like Moulin Rouge; 1920s edition. Almost shot for shot in some bits. Look, I love Baz (Strictly Ballroom 4eva!) but dude has some predictable cinematography.
@Craftastrophies Predictable and... unsuitable for some things? Like, PLEASE, ALL FILMMAKERS, I BEG YOU, don't make a 100-percent CGI rendering of a pretty house. Pretty houses and pretty gardens exist in real life, and are, in fact, prettier that way.
No way, Sucker Punch was way worse! I mean--steampunk nazis fercryingoutloud!
Yes, I really watched it. ALL of it.
@parallel-lines It was such an awful film.
I loved it.
@Josh is like Germany Ambitious and Misunderstood I haven't laughed that hard in awhile. I know that wasn't the intended effect of the movie but it is 100% hilarious lulz for hours.
@parallel-lines It was really amazing for me to see someone fail so utterly at every. single. thing they set out to do (if you buy Snyder's 'OH ITS A MOVIE ABOUT FEMINISM' shtick).
@parallel-lines I couldn't look away from the horror. I laughed and laughed and cringed.
@parallel-lines My friend was trying to describe Sucker Punch to me (she couldn't remember the title and we saw it together in theaters) and was like "REMEMBER?" and then swayed back and forth and looked at me coyly. At which point I was like, "OH YEAH, Sucker Punch!"
Oh my god yes to the Sucker Punch similarity!
Also, I hope I enjoy this movie more than I enjoyed reading The Great Gatsby in high school english.
@permanentbitchface When I read it in high school english, I didn't mind it (it was short, at least), but my mother was yet another one to point out the whole "you'll get it when you're older" thing. I have yet to achieve an age to test her theory, but then, one of my life goals is to never achieve that age. :P
Oh, Leo. I know you need your Oscar so badly after all these years, but no...just, no.
@royaljunk I like Leo just fine, but just still don't think he's that great an actor. He is very good at having a nice face to look at, and very good at furrowing his brow and looking concerned, but that's about it. The fact that he's been cast in SO MANY really excellent movies and hasn't won an Oscar yet suggests that others share my point of view.
Again, I don't think he detracts from movies or anything, he's just never been the one to make a movie really sing for me. But I'm happy to keep looking at him!
@HeyThatsMyBike He's not that great! I mean, I understand he's Marty's new golden boy, but Leo, even Scorcese didn't get an Academy Award until The Departed.
ETA: Except in What's Eating Gilbert Grape. He was GREAT in that.
@HeyThatsMyBike Oooh, we're opposite here. I think he's a pretty good actor, but his face just gets in my way. He's a grown man who looks... fetal or something (and, while I realize that is not a ringing endorsement, I don't think he's by any means ugly). Maybe I just forever and ever see Arnie from Gilbert Grape (in which he was fabulous)?
I guess he was OK in Romeo & Juliet (whoops, I mean Romeo + Juliet); a baby-face was appropriate. I just never could understand who in the hell rejects Paul Rudd in favor of Leonardo! Crazy!
@meetapossum Yes! Gilbert Grape is an exception! I also think his best adult work was in "Catch Me if you Can" which allowed him to do something other than than brow-furrow.
I was never a girl who was cutting out pictures of him from "Bop" in his Titanic and R+J days, but he's grown on me as he's aged. Can't explain it! Although I do agree with other commenters who say he looks a little leathery in this preview. He should take Baz's sunscreen advice.
@Hellcat oh and totally 1990s Rudd> 1990s DiCaprio for me, too.
@HeyThatsMyBike I like him well enough usually, though almost never in the performances that get him award noms. I really loved him in Shutter Island, for example. But I wish he would never do a biopic again, and the Gatsby role is close enough to that. It's just not a stretch for him, and I don't find his performances in those roles interesting.
@HeyThatsMyBike Yeah, I really liked him in Catch Me If You Can. But that was TEN YEARS AGO, which seems crazy, but I think it's really been that long since he's done a movie that has some minor aspect of lightness in it instead of 100% tragic brow-furrowing.
@yeah-elle Ugh! Leo is going to way too brow furrowing to be Gatsby! Gatsby was cool, collected, understated. That's what made it so crazy when he did show emotion--and it was basically all of his mysterious sexiness. Leo is going to over dramatize this role to death! Gah!
@yeah-elle I really liked Inception, but that had less to do with him than the story.
@Hellcat I'm firmly in the "let Paul Rudd do weird (comic) characters more often" camp, which means casting him as the "straight man/male romantic" part makes me sad. (straight as in "not weird") I don't think I've ever seen him do drama of the Leo-eyebrow-furrowing type of role, so I don't know how I feel about their skills in that respect.
@HeyThatsMyBike Hahah the sunscreen line made me laugh so hard.
I WAS the girl with the Leo posters, I will admit. I love me some floppy haired blond boys. But he was the only crush that stuck because, in my opinion, he is an excellent actor. But you're right about the brow furrowing, and I sort of feel like he's trying to hard to be Serious Actor, Not Hearthrob? I don't know. Like how Nicholas Cage used to be a good actor but now he just turns up and pulls SRS FACE and it's terrible.
I will probably watch this movie with the sound off for the costume porn.
Paul Rudd as Paris was VERY confusing to teenage me because he is clearly so gross, and yet he is still Paul Rudd. Mmmm Paul Rudd.
@Craftastrophies The floppy-haired blonde boy in my teenage heart was Jonathan Brandis. RIP.
Yeah, to be clear I think Leo is grades better than Nic Cage (it seems you agree with that, too!), he just needs to stop playing the exact.same.role over and over again so that I can be reminded that he has real range! Crack a smile in a film, bro! Smirks don't count.
@HeyThatsMyBike Maybe he smirks because of the perpetual baby-face? Like, to counteract the innocence with some sardonic, streetwise kind of thing?
i have to say i approve! the book is still obvs incomparably better, but i think the sinister glitteriness here looks very effective.
@plonk I like the aesthetic, I'm just not liking the casting - it just seems all wrong? I almost always like Baz Luhrmann's visual stuff, though. So many details! So sinisterly beautiful!
@Ophelia Agreed! The sets, costumes and cinematography look stunning. I can't get past Carey Mulligan being all wrong for Daisy.
@Ophelia Yes, perfect for munching popcorn (some fancy salted caramel type) and just gazing and gazing up at. Although I must admit, Moulin Rouge made me feel woozy after (damn you spinning camera). I'll still see this.
@plonk Yeah it does look fun to look at....historically accurate seems unlikely, though
@Ophelia the only one i strongly disagree with is jordan. she's supposed to be tan and athletic! but: leo is actually kind of awkward and wooden under his movie-star-ness, just like gatsby is a gawky misfit under his glamour; carey looks enchantingly beautiful and blank in this, a canvas to project all your shit onto; tobey always comes across as sensitive, smart and a little bland. i can totally get behind this.
@Third Wave Housewife Yes, that's what's bugging me! Baz Luhrmann loves these lush settings so much, and they're fun to look at and all. But DAMMIT I WANT HISTORICAL ACCURACY.
The fact that this thing is going to be in 3D just puts the cherry on the "No thanks" sundae -- already made of DiCaprio and Luhrmann -- for me.
@KellyStitzel oh god people really need to start being more selective about what movies are made into 3-D. I mean reeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllly.
in my opinion: Avatar. that's it. that's all.
@redheaded&crazie I think 3D is part of the fun, though. So many 3D films are either computed-animated family movies or big-budget action flicks, so it will be interesting either way to see a 3D take on what's considered a very "literary" story.
@redheaded&crazie I've seen two films this month that were unnecessarily in 3D and those were action movies. Let's just stop it already.
@synchronized I just think most 3D movies are not done well is all.
@redheaded&crazie I think I've only enjoyed Toy Story 3 in 3D.
Okay, also Step Up 3D. But that's it.
@redheaded&crazie Avatar is still the only movie I've seen in 3D! I'm kind of okay with that.
@Vicky Johnson Up was decent as well! I think 3D works better for animated movies that are already CGI.
@redheaded&crazie I saw the cave painting movie and Hugo in 3D, and thought both had value added by 3D. I think it'd be interesting if more documentaries were shot (see note: shot) in 3D, where the subject matter warrants it. Maybe when you get the shot of thousands and thousands of marching troops on parade, or the like?
@KellyStitzel The joke in my group of friends has been "it's just like YOU'RE being hit by the car!!" and if that isn't a 3D scene, I'm out. (Okay, I'm out either way since I can't watch 3D movies without getting a massive headache, but still.)
@Kate Kane Oh my god, yes, the headaches. Always a headache. Also, I wear glasses and having to wear those stupid ass 3D glasses on top of my own not only gives me a bigger headache, but makes me look like an asshole.
@KellyStitzel Yes, this. Glasses + 3D glasses = awkward + headache + nauseous. And FOR WHAT?
@redheaded&crazie Inception was pretty fun in 3D. I can't handle how loud the 3D sound systems are, it distracts from the experience for me. UP! was also great in 3D, but cartoons can be 3D all they want.
Ohhh I am excited for it! No one else?
@mackymoo No, I am too! It looks so lush and pretty.
Gotta say, Tobey Maguire is more of a problem for me than I expected, though. I hope this movie can make me stop thinking of him as dopey Spiderman. :(
@mackymoo Me too! But I'm a sucker for anything shiny and flashy and song-y and "pop culture historical"-y. And I loved the shit out of Moulin Rouge. And I love Carey Mulligan. I basically love everything about this, except Tobey Maguire and 3D.
@Chanticleer I don't know, I'm not one of those people who is really into movies, so "pretty" is what I usually go on.
@terrific Yes! I feel the exact same way. I loved Moulin Rouge an embarrassing amount, I am very excited about this movie (with the exception of Maguire and 3D)!
@mackymoo : Me toooooo!!!! I think it's going to be lush and lovely.
And Carey Mulligan is a great choice for Daisy, and I'm okay with Tobey Maguire, too. I always thought the narrator of "Gatsby" was a bit of a milksop, and Maguire fits that.
@Chanticleer ZOMGZ, Canterbury Tales!
@Chanticleer When he turns and around and you see his face for the first time in the trailer I let out an audible groan. That face he was making... I can't explain it, but it gives me the eye rolls.
@mackymoo I am... even if 3D gets on my nerves.
@mackymoo Oh I am so there!
@okaycrochet *Chaucer high-five*
@TheRisottoRacket I had that exact reaction! It was like "Pretty, pretty, WOW pretty, oh derp there's Spiderman." I have to get over this before the movie comes out.
@OxfordComma I think Carey Mulligan is a great choice for Daisy because they are both the worst.
@Hellcat I mean, most movies that come out in 3D also come out in 2D? So we have the option to skip the 3D?
@okaycrochet I thought this meant that they were making a movie of Canterbury Tales for a minute and I got SO EXCITED.
Is it wrong that I kind of love it? Of course, I've always been a sucker for Baz Luhrmann's whole "thing," so maybe I'm not the best judge.
@Tiktaalik Yeah I also am not that attached to the book, so I don't feel very strongly about someone opening it up and throwing it all over the place.
@Tiktaalik Baz Luhrmann's whole "thing" with Strictly Ballroom and Moulin Rouge? Awesome sauce. The whole "thing" with Gatsby? Not so much.
@Tiktaalik Oh me too!
I LOVE Luhrmann, I kinda love Leo, I ADORED sucker punch (being the only one), and I love this book.
I thought I'd HATE this movie but perhaps I will love it?
The truth is, when you do a movie of a huge book like this.. It will suffer from either being too serious and possibly never ever being good enough.
So why not just go all out and do this bonanza thing? Heck ya.
I have very, very, very low standards when it comes to movies--I like everything and think everything is good!--so I'm all "hey, Leo looks like he'll be pretty good in this!" and "Carey Mulligan looks super cute in flapper clothes!" and "I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT SCENE WITH THE SHIRTS!!!" and I am really excited that someone has finally made a film of Gatsby that's going to be true to all the extravagant 1920s partying in the book! Yaaaay!!
@The Lady of Shalott: Carey Mulligan is super cute in everything! No surprise there, but I do love the haircut.
@The Lady of Shalott I also CANNOT WAIT for the shirts.
@The Lady of Shalott The scene with the shirts was the moment when I was like: well, now, wait a minute, there might be something to this after all...
@The Lady of Shalott That's pretty much my m.o. I'll watch anything and probably like it. And...the shirt scene...man, my fifteen-year-old self DIED when she read that scene in the book.
@EternalFootwoman The dorkiest thing I did lately was take a photo at a Madewell clothing store of stacks and stacks of folded beautiful cotton shirts of all colors, because it just made me want to pull a Gatsby so badly.
That said, I'm skeptical. The brashness of the trailer -- and the casting -- is off-putting to me. I think Mad Men really captures the soapy plotlines but understated aesthetic of Gatsby, albeit in a different era, and I would kill to see them try their hand at the Jazz Age and make a Gatsby movie. They wouldn't even need to change up much of the cast. (Though do TV people even do movies? Is that a thing?)
I think it could be a wildly entertaining movie, as long as you forget the source material.
@Emma Peel I always try to forget the book when I see the movie. Otherwise the nerd in me gets too upset that they're NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
That is amazing about the stacks of shirts. I would have taken a picture, too. I'm glad other people realize how magical that scene is. My high school English class thought I was a nut.
@Emma Peel Disclaimer: I have not read the book. (It's on my list, ok?) But 'brashness' is exactly the feeling I get from this trailer and I feel like maybe he should have just made an original film set in the 20s? (ha, 'just') because there is pretty much no way he is not going to fuck up the tone of it, somehow. I dunno, as said upthread, I love Baz, I love his thing, but... this thing and that thing do not go together.
Maybe the Mad Men people should have made this movie and Baz could do the party scenes.
All I want for Christmas is an eighth of mushrooms and two tickets to Gatsby: 3D.
@JoanTition Hmm, I saw Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland on mushrooms but I'm thinking this isn't going to be good enough to deserve that level of commitment, which is why I'll probably settle on just a lot of really psychedelic weed/edibles.
@Caitlin Podiak Can we hang out? We should probably hang out.
@JoanTition I like your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Toby Maguire is EXACTLY how I picture Nick, and I am so fine with DiCaprio as Gatsby. Everything else just makes me feel weird inside? It's been a few years since I read The Great Gatsby, honestly, but I don't remember it being set in some magical realism version of the 20s
@Nutmeg Agreed! I spent that whole trailer wondering if I've completely forgotten what The Great Gatsby was like. But maybe I have?
Is it wrong that I spent most of the trailer waiting for a shot of the billboard with the giant glasses/eyes and a green light at the end of a dock? Thank you, 10th grade English class.
@RK Fire Me too :)
you are not alone.
@RK Fire Those two things are basically all I remember about the book.
@Chanticleer Yep, I can pull out the name "T.J. Eckleburg" immediately, but the narrator's name? Nope.
@Chanticleer: Yeah, it's definitely high on the list of things I associate with the Great Gatsby, other than the main character.
@RK Fire Same here. I couldn't tell you a thing about the plot, but we spent countless class periods on the green light and the eyes of Dr. Eckleberg.
It was tedious enough that when my teacher asked me whyyyyyyyyyyyy Daisy, Jordan, and Pammy were wearing white dresses, I snapped something along the lines of "Because they want to. It's summer and they are hot." The correct answer? Because they have no soooooooooouls.
@TheLetterL Aw, see, I could do that for four million years. Meanings! Representations! Allegory! It's all just bullshit anyway and I love it, especially if you make a really tenuous, out-there connection and back it up as best you can. Which is why I was a Lit major. *cough*
@WhiskeySour Didn't they only mention his name like twice? Or was I too distracted being angstily angry at Tom Buchanan's eugenics speeches to notice?
@frigwiggin I definitely had to grow into an appreciation of all that. Pissy 16-year-old me wasn't up to the task. But! I feel like I should add that the aforementioned teacher and I had an awesome relationship, so she was more amused by my outburst than offended. (We would lock horns again over Emily Dickinson. Pissy 16-year-old me just could not. Could. Not. Unsure if I could now.)
@RK Fire HAHA yes this
THE SHIRTS!!! Whatevs, I'm excited, even though Leo looks rough.
@charmcity But oh god no is that a WWI flashback I see at the end?! Nooo, please!
@charmcity : THE SHIRTS.
@charmcity SUCH BEAUTIFUL SHIRRRRRRRTS....
I am prepared to get hated on for this, but I honestly, sincerely do not like the book. I just find it dull and full of dull, hateful people doing hateful things. I'm also not usually a fan of Luhrmann, but I might actually be interested in this.
(just for reference: I also dislike Hemmingway but love Steinbeck)
@serenityfound: Actually, I really disliked the book when I read it for the reasons you mention and the fact that the symbolism seemed so heavy handed, but I'm willing to entertain the possibility that I might like it if I read it now, as an adult.
@@serenityfound It's ok, I don't like the book either. We can just chat over here in this corner table.
@@serenityfound I didn't like the book for years because I thought all the characters were dumb, rich assholes, but I saw GATZ (the 8-hour play where the book is read aloud and people act the story out) and somehow I liked it better after that. It might just have been the Stockholm Syndrome talking, though.
@@serenityfound: I am with you on all counts. I've no love for Fitzgerald or Hemingway, but do so adore Steinbeck. Different strokes, I suppose.
@@serenityfound I've read this book four times to try to make myself like it. It never worked.
@@serenityfound i didn't like it either, but have been blaming high school english. do want to try it again, but won't give it very long before i decide to keep reading.
@RK Fire I found it much more fun when I could just READ it, instead of going through it chapter by chapter and discussing it all in 11th grade English class.
@Slutface Ha, it's a teeny book as well. I had the same thing with A Sense of an Ending. Sometimes even short books aren't going to speak to you enough to read them. But you might just need to come back to it some time later in life.
@serenityfound Steinbeck for life!
I liked Gatsby, but This Side of Paradise is way better.
@@serenityfound I'm on this team. Tenth grade English killed it dead for me. Tee shirts?
@@serenityfound Thank goodness you're here. I thought I'd be alone in the Gatsby hate. (Well, for me, not so much hate as total apathy.)
@@serenityfound I'm with you on this! I think my hatred of it is equal parts "I'm meant to sympathize with the bored rich people HOW?" and "I have had to read this book and pick it apart about 8 different times for various school endeavors since 10th grade and I am well and truly SICK OF IT" but even still I am less than excited about this story popping up YET AGAIN.
My exasperation with it is also sort of compounded by the fact that it's one of those books that people will judge you personally for if you don't like it. I've been told "oh you must just not be a reader" or "oh well you clearly missed the point then" when I've said I disliked this book. I just want to shake people. It's not that I can't READ (uh?) or that I didn't GET IT, it's that I just flat out didn't like it. Just because it's a classic doesn't mean it's impervious to people's personal taste.
@all I was in AP/Honors English all throughout high school. I was the good kid who really did read everything so, when my drama teacher caught me reading Sparknotes at lunch one day, he teased/berated me. As soon as he saw it was Gatsby, though, he gave me his blessing and walked away.
(I am glad you are all here.)
@@serenityfound I'm on this team too! I cared nary a ounce for any of the characters really, I remember thinking "I'd be fine if you died, Daisy Buchanan", and I've always thought that I must have just missed something that everyone else saw? Le sigh.
@Ophelia: My dislike of The Great Gatsby is a little weird though because I usually didn't mind the HS english way of teaching books. A chapter by chapter, literary analysis didn't keep me from enjoying the Scarlet Letter and most of the other books I had to read in school. But the Great Gatsby... ::shakes fist as sky::
@RK Fire Ahh, see, for me, it ruined all sorts of books, because for me, the best way to get into them was to read, uninterrupted, so I could get into them. The Scarlet Letter is actually an excellent example - I truly thought I hated it, and then went back and read it again, and it was so good! I am a person who reads entire books in one sitting if given a few hours, though, so this might be specific to me as a reader :)
@@serenityfound MY PEOPLE. I have never liked Gatsby, and have read it at a number of ages to see why people do. And when I say this to people, they get all shocked. I just found it dull, mostly. I actually do like Hemingway -- at least his books are interesting, even though they're also about rich assholes.
@Ophelia Oh my god I have never hated a book as much as the Scarlet Letter. It was a running joke in my high school class, how much we all hated it. When we were seniors and someone asked what our least favorite part of high school was, we said the Scarlet Letter.
@Scandyhoovian See, I have never read it. And part of the reason is that I suspect that I won't like it, or that I will maybe enjoy the prose but be left cold by it. And now I can say 'oh, I haven't gotten around to reading that yet' (true, I do intend to at some point, just to see, but it's a ways down the list). But if I say 'I didn't like it' then I have to talk about it with people who think that liking it makes them better/more cultured people.
The original movie had pounds of subtlety and focused on all the important parts of the book; hopefully this one will do the same.
I am annoyed that the dude with the squishy face and the dude with the smirky quiverlips were cast, but it does look like the director made good use of the color white...?
Also, the billboard is nicely done.
Ahhh the narrator's voice is the worst what if it's like that for the whole movie due to Nick's voyeur role?!
@Inkcrafter Really wish I hadn't already picked a user name, because "Smirky Quiverlips" is the best thing ever.
@Heat Signature Seriously, when is Tobey McGuire going to play the sneering villain he is so obviously born to play? I'm thinking some horror from Jacobean tragedy maybe?
@feartie YES! He needs a little villainizing. He could be terrifying, like Cillian Murphy terrifying. Such scary milky eyes.
@feartie I agree, but maybe only because he kind of looks like Crispin Glover to me? And even though I never saw it, I can't help but think of Willard every time I look at him.
@okaycrochet Ooh, mini-boast: I saw Cillian Murphy on stage in The Seagull, right before he got big. A-MAZING. He acted everyone off the stage. Imagining a slow-burning horror movie with the two of them as killers - could be brilliant.
edited to remove ellipses. Damn you, ellipses!
I mean... it DOES seem very loudly and directionlessly and depressingly '20's. Which is kind of like this era also? So I guess it captures the zeitgeist as well as creates the emotional connection?
@okaycrochet Cillian Murphy can terrify me (right out of my pants) any day of the week. Mmmmm-mmmm.
@feartie I created an account just to reply to this; what if they played Leopold and Loeb?
(Two high-minded Chicago brats who wanted to commit the perfect murder to prove their intellectual superiority)
It looks pretty in the trailer but that's how I get sucked into all his movies and end up making the sour lemon face for the majority of the viewing. I've learned my lesson.
I can't hate on Leo for some reason, but I saw a suggestion on Tumblr about Kanye West as Gatsby, and now I can't unsee the magic.
(and Donald Glover as Nick?)
@Regina Phalange Nicki Minaj as Jordan.
@Regina Phalange @Lucienne THAT is the movie I want to see.
@Regina Phalange YES. If Baz had directed it, there would be a musical number with him in it. WANT.
@Regina Phalange Wow...that actually seems shockingly apt, and honestly, if they were going to go in the BIG. MODERN. ADAPTATION. direction, that would have been much more fitting and interesting.
@Regina Phalange This needs to happen. Baz or no Baz.
@Regina Phalange Holy shit.
@cosmia @all Worst-case scenario, this would be a literary Carmen A Hip-Hopera.
Best-case scenario, this would be the greatest movie OF ALL TIME.
I would want to see it either way.
...wait would Ye insist on having Kim Kardashian play Daisy? Like, I know she wears a lot of white, but no.
Is this a safe place to say I've never read the Great Gatsby? Well, okay, I think I "read" it in middle school, but mostly skimmed and faked my way through the class discussions. I remember absolutely nothing about it.
Worth trying again?
@Sarah H. When taken out of the context of high school it's basically a beach read. Go for it!
@Sarah H. I've never read it either! I haven't even the faintest clue what it's about.NOT EVEN (ESPECIALLY?) AFTER WATCHING THAT TRAILER.
@Sarah H. I feel like it's really dumb to try and read it in high school because you have zero knowledge of what its like to be a 20-something (who is, okay, fabulously wealthy) tempted by the allure of doing nothing except spend money and drink a lot and being unsure about Goals. I hated it in high school, but I enjoyed it after a reread years later.
@Sarah H. I'm feeling enthusiastic about it. I really liked it in high school, so I'm hoping to get more out of a re-read a decade later.
@Sarah H. I haven't either! I think my class read Their Eyes Were Watching God instead. Which is excellent.
@Sarah H. MIDDLE school?! What evil teacher forced this on you? I don't even think high school is the right time for it. I mean, it's The Great American Novel. Most 16 year olds don't need to read that at that moment in their lives.
I read it in college, and feel pretty lucky about that. The people in my class all chose to be there, versus just being stuck in Grade 10 English Lit or whatever, so the level of engagement with the work was much higher, and our discussions about it deepened the experience.
Anyway, it is a great book, but I hate when people act like you HAVE to LOVE it. You don't have to. I appreciate its beauty, but it didn't really get to my heart, if you know what I mean. Hemingway, Faulkner, and Cather grab me in ways that TGG just doesn't.
@Sarah H. I've never read it either! But I figure I have a few months to fit it in before the movie. :)
@Carrie Ann I didn't read it until grad school. That was the perfect timing.
@iceberg I was thinking as I watched that trailer "for people who haven't read the book, none of this is going to make ANY sense'.
Hell, even for people who HAVE read it, the trailer makes no sense
I hate pretty much all of this - better put by Richard Lawson over at the Atlantic Wire, why take such a lovely, small book filled to the brim with nuance (also where the Romance isn't really all that U2-worthy Epic) and blow it out like this? I just....UGH.
Agree. Except all I can express about it is OMG NOOOOOO WHYYYYYYYYY
@Meredith L. For fun!!!!!
@Meredith L. Yeah. If I hadn't accepted long ago that they'll never make a decent movie of this book I'd probably be really upset.
@Meredith L. Yeah, even though I usually like the Luhrmann nonsense, it's all wrong for Gatsby. Sure, it was the Jazz Age and decadence and blah, but the novella is so slim and lyrical and airy that it ruins it by dumping at shitload of glitter all over it and cranking the volume up to 11. Booo.
Are we still trying to pretend that Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't only have three facial expressions?
The only reason we liked him in Inception is because he implanted the idea in our minds that he doesn't only have three expressions.
I'm pretty down with Amitabh Bachchan playing Meyer Wolfsheim, though.
@applestoapples Leo was my least favorite part of Inception, actually. Aside from Nolan's dead woman thing.
@applestoapples: How did I miss Amitabh Bachchan?!?!?
@applestoapples ... Amitabh Bachchan is in this?
(Then WHY isn't Saif Ali Khan playing Tom?) (BRB, casting Bollywood Gatsby right now.)
@applestoapples Well put by a friend: "I feel like Leonardo Dicaprio is always wearing high pants in movies. Like, maybe he chooses his roles based on whether or not he can wear high-waisted pants."
Yes yes, y'all. He's in the trailer at 1:04.
@Meredith L. I wonder if he's wearing normal pants, but has a very low-waisted self?
@Meredith L. I'd love it if that were in his contract: "8% of the gross after production costs are recouped. Gets to keep all high-waisted pants."
@applestoapples I have a vision of running into Leo now and just tossing out, "Sup, Short Waist?" then walking away. Model GF would be all "What was that about?" Leo, single tear, "Nothing...it's just...nothing." I would like that better than this trailer.
@applestoapples Am I the only one who's mad he got cast as Gatsby since he already got to play a man who reinvents himself aka Frank Abignail Jr. aka Catch Me If You Can aka his only role I've enjoyed?
Plus, "old sport" isn't going to sound right coming from someone that.. old? Experienced looking? Familiar with being J. Edgar Hoover? I don't know.
@applestoapples To be honest, three facial expressions is generous.He's always rocking the FURROWED BROW (±squinting). The screencap for the video pretty much sums it up.
@Lucienne When do we start seeing more Bollywood articles on the Hairpin? This is relevant to my interests. Also - after seeing the world's biggest movie star in the trailer (Amitabh!!), I couldn't care less which small-potatoes Hollywood hunks make up the remainder of the cast.
@suchagoodone Have you seen the Gujarat tourism ads he's in? I get a kick out of them.
Also, someone should definitely pitch a Bollywood series to Someone.
@Lucienne I have not - I've fallen behind in my Bollywood viewing because I moved to a new city a few years ago and can't seem to find a Bollywood Buddy here. Do you have any suggestions of definite must-sees as of late? I'm ready to get back on the horse.
Also, don't you feel like once people have seen real Bollywood movies (sorry peeps, Bride and Prejudice does not count), they would "get" Baz Luhrmann so much better?
@Lucienne I love the Gujurat tourism ads so much! The one where he's in the truck with the Kutch ladies is my actual favorite, but the ones where he's at Harappan sites *cough*green screen*cough* pretending to commune with his heritage are amazingly hilarious.
@suchagoodone I tend to skip around a lot, so I think the most recent Bollywood movie I saw was Band Baaja Baaraat - which is from 2010! Not that recent. And then maybe . . . No One Killed Jessica (I thought it would suck, but it didn't!) and Dhobi Ghat, but they are not strictly Bollywood. And I can't speak for liking Luhrmann more - I didn't like him before or after!
@Brigdh's@twitter Haaaaah, I could never pick a favorite, but they do all make me want to go to Gujarat and hang out with Big B. That's what they're promising, right?
My main questions:
1. Why does Leonardo DiCaprio look so sunburned?
2. Is it just me or was Tobey Maguire born to narrate?
3. Does Carey Mulligan's American accent ring a little too false to anyone else? I don't think she quite pulls it off.
Overall: It's not what I expected, but that's probably because I'm so wedded to my own vision of the book. Despite Leo's leathery skin and Carey's clipped speech, I'm more excited now than I was pre-trailer!
@synchronized to answer question 1. because it was filmed in Australia. I am a very pale person, and that is the only place on earth that I have ever tanned (which was probably helped by the fact that I was studying abroad and laying at the beach everyday).
@beanie I see, I see. Did not know it was filmed over there! Perhaps I will visit myself one day -- I live in FLORIDA, and I can't even tan here.
@synchronized Really? That's funny, Tobey's voice is SUCH a turn-off for me, it's so whiney and...something. Something not good ha.
But I agree with you, Carey Mulligan's accent seemed REALLY fake. Although in her defense, pulling off the very soft, subtle Southern accent is really hard, compared to like a deep South twang that most roles require.
I'm generally a fan of Baz Luhrmann's, but I think his strength and weakness as a director is that he just kind of...Luhrmanns all over everything. His films almost always have that dreamlike, manic quality which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. For a movie like this, it might be too much. With something like his Romeo+Juliet, the story is so cemented in the public consciousness that it could survive a Luhrmann-y adaptation. I'm not sure The Great Gatsby has that level of market saturation for the text to withstand the Luhrmann treatment. But of course I'll go see it anyway.
@WhiskeySour Yes to the Luhrmanning, but I see it as a plus. Can't wait to enjoy the mania.
@WhiskeySour This trailer really makes it look like he's toning it way way down, which makes sense because the 3-D camera rig is so damn heavy, but that's not what I want from Luhrmann!
@julia Seconded. My English-prof friends are all indignant over the Luhrmanning (totally a real word) of _Gatsby_ but I love his commitment to spectacle (in the service of elements other than violence or sci-fi) and I'm looking forward to going over the top with him.
The "market saturation" question is interesting, though. It seems to me to be one of those novels that is widely assigned but not necessarily widely read, if that makes sense.
@WhiskeySour Ooh that's a good description. I have a soft spot for his first major Australian movie Strictly Ballroom because it's goofy and camp, and I like R+J for the reasons you mentioned, but I fucking hate everything else he's ever done.
@iceberg Strictly Ballroom is the best. It's the perfect "wrap up in a blanket and eat a whole bag of gummy bears" movie. I found a DVD of it in the $5 bin somewhere, for which I am glad, because I never get tired of that movie.
@iceberg Yes. I really can't stand Moulin Rouge, and it's not because I didn't try to like it. I guess I did like it upon first viewing in 9th grade, but quickly tired of it. R+J works for the reasons mentioned above in this thread.
I haven't read TGG in years, but I don't want this movie to be all people think of when they hear about the book.
@WhiskeySour YES! I have the worst habit of yelling "I'm boxed in!" sadly, the reference is generally missed by most
I watched the trailer and I channeled my Grandmother when I thought, "Well...that's different." I keep thinking that there will be a number of people going to see this under the influence of a controlled substance to add a whole other layer of experience to the movie.
The clothes look pretty. I do love me some costume porn.
Moulin Rouge 2: T.J. Eckelburgaloo?
@anachronistique If only that meant there would be Ewan McGregor involved. That's a casting choice I can fully support.
@Mame Dennis-Pickett-Burnside You know, Ewan could actually be pretty great as Gatsby.
The movie looks like a typical Baz-esque visual rock and roll feast, which might be fun at Christmastime. I think if I go into this movie thinking is a Moulin Rouge sequel or something, I'll like it just fine. If I go thinking I'm going to see a film version of the F. Scott Fitzgerald novel, I will just get all stabby and ranty and ruin everyone's good cheer. So Beautiful, but So Wrong.
@Yankee Peach You've hit the nail on the head! I think this is what I'll do as well. I just want to be overstimulated by lots of bright colors and manic dancing and forget about the book.
@Yankee Peach Ever since this movie was announced I've felt very weird about the so-called "great american novel" being done by an Australian. I'm not usually the type of person who cares about this kind of thing, but it's struck me as odd.
@Yankee Peach Yeah, if I could think of it as a "Great Gatsby-inspired music video," which is basically what it is, I'd be OK with it. It's just that it's called The Great Gatsby. Just call it "Nick" or something. Like an alternate take on TGG.
Why are they dancing to Jay-Z? Nope. Don't like this.
@Slutface THANK YOU.
@Slutface I literally paused it two seconds in to make sure I was watching the right trailer.
...I'm pretty sure they didn't have Jay-Z or Kanye West in the 1920s.
Since I haven't read the book since high school, I just looked at the Wikipedia entry for a plot synopsis, which is basically: "Stupid Rich People Tricks".
In the couple times I've read the book, I've never really thought "This would make a great movie!" So the idea that Baz Luhrmann seems to be, to quote a previous comment, Luhrmanning all over this thing strikes me as very positive.
He looks too old to play Gatsby. How old is LdC?
Or maybe just hasn't lost all his Hoover weight...
@noReally I actually like how he looks in this movie. I think his head has been looked too big lately and it's more balanced out here.
@noReally He looks too old and he is too old (for this role, I don't think he needs to be taken out behind the barn or anything). Especially cause Gatsby is supposed to be so charismatic and effervescent and the naivete of youth, etc etc themes, symbols, etc.
And Casey looks too young to be paired with him. Why, why, why can't Hollywood put together age-appropriate couples ever?
@noReally I've diagnosed Leo with "pudding face" for the past ten years. At first, I was convinced he could have the youthful Romeo + Juliet skinny face back, but then realized (as I got older too) that it wasn't him gaining weight, but just aging. *crying in the corner, singing forever young*
@beanie But no one has a problem with Tobey Maguire playing Nick? Dude looks old.
Not like, crazy old, but too old to be so wide-eyed about people having spouses/money/parties/affairs.
The only thing I really liked about the previous movie is this clip, and I don't think I can find it on Youtube, where they're in a car and Jordan leans over Sam-Waterston-as-Nick to do something and he gets this hilaaaarious look on his face. Made up for feeling bored the rest of the movie (I was in 10th grade) and thinking that Robert Redford looked like a newscaster.
Also, thanks to Overheard Everywhere, this is all I can think about anymore when someone mentions Gatsby. I'm not really sorry about that.
@frigwiggin I have not spent enough time on that website lately. Remedying that now...
@frigwiggin BWAHAHAHA. If I was the snorting type, I'd be snorting right now. Which I am not, of course. It would be crude.
@frigwiggin Thank you ever so much for bringing that to my attention.
I have so many feelings. But I just....ugh. gang, I can't even. And I LIKE Baz. But this just feels so wrong. It has the look of a movie that ends in Jay and Wilson beating up Tom, and as Jay and Daisy make love in a plaster elephant right before the end credits, as Jordan kisses Nick before the first day of his lifelong tenure at JP Morgan, and Nick in a final voiceover proclaiming "And so began another of the many great second acts in American Life."
@leon.saintjean Oh, and Nicole - in answer to your tag question, I believe in the US Fitzgerald's work enters the public domain in 2021 - so in about 9 years, we should start to see all kinds of amazing interpretations of his stuff.
@leon.saintjean Seriously. Can we all just go watch Paul Thomas Anderson's teaser for The Master and rejoice? YAY!
@leon.saintjean Yes to everything you've said here. I love Baz, and am a huge lit nerd for Fitzgerald and his expat buddies... and the costumes, the melodrama! But this just feels so empty. And either it's the worst cut trailor ever, or everyone is really phoning it in. Plus, where is Jordan's haughtier-than-thou attitude?
@okaycrochet NO, we can't, because my asshole ex was obsessed with PT Anderson and now I will never be able to enjoy a PT Anderson movie (its not like I ever did, except for Boogie Nights and I guess some of There Will Be Blood) ever again!
@cosmia ohnoooooooooooooo well I can barely listen to Interpol for the same reason, so. I feel ya.
Also, never had a problem with Mia Farrow and Robert Redford. It wasn't a perfect movie, but it had its moments.
@noReally Yeah, that movie wasn't great, but it at least captured the somberness of the book. (Although I personally think that it's a book that can't really ever be accurately filmed, because of Nick's internal voice and all that fucking ennui is really hard to bring out visually). This looks like it was just an excuse to film some super amazeballs party visuals and try to shoehorn in a melodramatic version of a love story.
Love love loveity love love love!
...Luhrmann may or may not be my favorite director.
I just love his visual style and how lush his movies are.
"Gatsby" is a brilliant book, but I'm not so married to the plot that inevitable Hollywood tweakings are going to light my head on fire.
It looks so tacky and over-the-top and terrible that of COURSE I want to see it. I spent enough time in high school (two separate english classes, plus reading it again in my free time for some reason?) approaching this book with respect and restraint.
I can't decide if this looks fun, or dumb, or...dumb, I don't know! Like, parts of it seem entertaining and like they could possibly hint at SOME sort of "dangers of the hedonistic 1920's" undertone, but it's probably not an undertone, it's a smash over the head repeatedly-tone. Also Leo is doing that weird thing where his head vibrates when he's upset again.
Amitabh Bachchan, though!! Any other secret Bollywood lovers out there?
@smidge Soooo if we were gonna do a Bollywood Gatsby, Aamir Khan would be Gatsby, right? And maybe Rahul Khanna for Nick?
Even though they are both like forty now. DETAILS.
@Lucienne yes and yes
@smidge I just want John Abraham to be in everything. All the time. Oh, and Hritik and his crazy thumb(s?).
@suchagoodone John Abraham can play Daisy. *rimshot*
No, I'm not overly invested in Dostana 2, why do you ask.
Also, that is a *great* use of "Love is Blindness". Completely appropriate for Gatsby's story.
Has anyone else seen the campy made-for-TV-movie version of The Great Gatsby with Paul Rudd as Nick? I've never been able to discern whether that casting was insane or brilliant. Toby Stephens (Maggie Smith's son!) was actually pretty great as Gatsby. But Mira Sorvino as Daisy, though--that was a serious bad casting.
@WhiskeySour um oh my god no I have not seen this but where can I?
@WhiskeySour I watched it in high school ten years ago. I didn't realize Paul Rudd was in it!
@WhiskeySour I love Toby Stephens but I actually couldn't watch the whole thing - don't know if I made it even thirty minutes in.
@WhiskeySour So bad but so fabulous anyway. I know, I know... I'm sorry. And now I am wondering if that one is available on Netflix for me to watch while eating a red pepper-and-feta pizza later.
@WhiskeySour Toby is Maggie Smith's son??
@smidge Yes! Mind = blown, right? Those British acting dynasties are just wild (and massive.)
@WhiskeySour Is that the one A&E did? We watched that in high school as the companion film for the book (I think we actually got extra credit for a little write-up). I honestly don't remember much about it at all.
@@serenityfound Watched it. It was nice to see something that had been made recently, since I always feel like period films have a weird patina of the year they were made in, but it just felt kind of paint-by-numbers. Not terrible but not special enough.
Holy asldfkjas;dlfkj HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that I didn't know Toby Stephens was Maggie Smith's SON?
Ugh, why do people making trailers have to insert isolated, dramatic lines? THE TRAILER IS AN ART. WHY ARE PEOPLE BAD AT IT.
@Third Wave Housewife This is why I loved that movie "The Holiday" where Cameron Diaz's character directs movie trailers - I kind of loved the trailers!
related: an acquaintance of mine had a gatsby-themed wedding, which, what? the book about parties where no one is actually having any fun and the worst marriage ever? why would you evoke that at your WEDDING?
@plonk so I haven't read the book in over 10 years, but nobody had fun at the parties? I thought just Gatsby didn't have fun. No? Also, to answer your question why anybody would theme a wedding on it: because it is pretty. People don't really look much beyond that in wedding planning. People have some wack ass ideas (see Hunger Games wedding themes).
@beanie I'm sure someone was having fun, just not any of the main characters.
@beanie i always got the vibe that everyone's TRYING REALLY HARD to prove HOW MUCH FUN THEY'RE HAVING, partying REALLY HARD because they're afraid of facing the emptiness if they stop. (it's not explicitly said, just implied in the way the party descriptions are written.) which is exactly the vibe i got from this trailer, so i am feeling positively.
and sure, it's pretty, but aren't there OTHER pretty books, even jazz-age-set, that aren't primarily about a horrible empty marriage? COME ON PEOPLE.
@plonk I'm going to have a Tender is the Night theme wedding.
Ummm, can we talk about the fact that Baz Luhrmann will almost positively use a bunch of modern music and that it will totally suck? Not the music, but the music in the context. It looks like they're taking great pains with set and costume design to keep things period..... but I might just have to bring my ipod with 20s jazz and tune the whole movie out.
Only tangentially related, but can we talk about The Beach? I've been wanting to talk about The Beach lately.
@whateverlolawants A friend of mine was so in love with that movie that he literally forced me to watch it with him in college (and by "forced" I mean, provided free booze), but I just thought it was kind of pretentious and annoying (even though normally I love Danny Boyle). Except holy SHIT that French guy who was the boyfriend of the French girl Leo kept trying to bang? SMOKIN'. Saved the movie for me, really.
Side note: I was at a talk thingy with Danny Boyle a few years back and he talked about what a nightmare it was to film that movie, and he kept referring to the crew they hired from Thailand as "fucking hippies" which I thought was HILARIOUS because that is also how I feel about people who try to be "earthy" aka no deodorant or showers.
@effystonem The other day when The Hairpin was linked by The Huffington Post and we got a bunch of trolls, I almost posted "Not to get all 'The Beach', but we can do without the Huffington Post pointing people here."
@effystonem Also, half of me thought the movie was totally pretentious and silly and soooo 2000, and the other half loved it. So, that's out there now.
Some characters reminded me of the peculiar, rootless travelers and locals I met in South America, which is one reason why I enjoyed it.
Oops, I just posted this on my tumblr when I obvs should have been here at the Hairpin, so I'm just going to be lazy and cut and paste:
I can’t decide what to think about this. I have an obsession with the 1920s/flappers/Art Deco, so I am intrigued but also disturbed because it looks all wrong to me. I liked Moulin Rouge! but am neutral on Baz Luhrmann in general. F. Scott Fitzgerald is my 10th favorite dead white dude, but I never actually liked The Great Gatsby that much. (I prefer his short stories, especially “Bernice Bobs Her Hair,” “The Diamond as Big as the Ritz,” and, until David Fincher and Brad Pitt ruined it like a couple of stupid, pretentious, humorless assholes, “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.”) Also, my stance on 3D is constantly wavering. I suspect that the solution to this quandary is probably to see it in 3D with low expectations while under the influence of the trippiest and most potent sativa-dominant cannabis I can find…
@Caitlin Podiak BERNICE BOBS HER HAIR!!! Did you ever see the 1970s TV movie with Shelley Duvall?
@whateverlolawants NO, but I just added it to my Netflix queue!
@whateverlolawants Yes! One of my high school English teachers made us watch it. I found it incredibly sad, BUT my problem with Shelley Duvall is that I'm always expecting her to turn to the camera, say, "Hello. I'm Shelley Duvall," and start talking about fairy tales.
@Caitlin Podiak I love his short stories; they seem so much more relatable than his longer works. I do like the prose in Gatsby. His novels are always depressing: unattainable, damaged rich girl and good-looking middle class guy who can't make good.
This seems like the appropriate place for THIS: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=259
Trailer is disappointing. :/
@kangerine **Old as BALLS**
The trailer was disappointing specifically because I was comparing it to Kate Beaton.
@kangerine That's the first thing I thought of too! I love the baby in those comics.
@sudden but inevitable betrayal What BABY.
I have a lot of conflicting feelings about this and I'm glad the Pin provides a forum for them! Tobey Maguire, sure. Carey Mulligan, nope. She's just being Carey Mulligan and making that delicate-wrinklebrow face, all the time. I can't even with Leonardo. I think Louis Garrel would be an excellent Gatsby (French, but Baz is Australian and Carey British, so I'm not holding out for a Great American Actor). I know Baz Luhrmann doesn't do subtle but this trailer is actually vertigo-inducing.
That said, I like Event Movies that everyone sees and talks about on Monday, so I will pack a thermos and probably enjoy the heck out of this.
@miss olsen "Have you met Miss Delicate-Wrinklebrow? Yes, she's just back from summering in Switzerland."
@miss olsen Delicate Wrinklebrow face! I'm so happy you've given me this expression because I can never put my finger on what about her face bothers me so much but this is exactly it.
I usually love flashy, over-the-top movies and like someone above, I adore the '20s, but three words sum this up for me: Just too much.
@oh, disaster I worry the exact same thing.
My Ingrained-Since-My-Teenybopper-Titanic-Years love of Leonardo DiCaprio for which I feel ABSOLUTELY NO SHAME despite many of my fellow former-teenyboppers insisting I should, is, alas, not nearly powerful enough to make me go see this movie. I'm almost sad about it.
Do you think this movie will answer the question of what happens to Daisy's adorable dog??? Cause that always bothered me about the book. DID SOMEBODY GO AND FEED THE DOG????
I can't help it, I'm fucking pumped. I don't care if they massacre the canon. I. Love. Baz. I loved R&J. I loved Moulin. I even loved Australia (I know. BELIEVE ME I KNOW!!!). I can't explain it, it just is. Bring on the over-the-top, sparkly saccharine drama-fest, please!
Please don't throw rocks. I'll just be over here listening to Ewan sing 'Your Song' on repeat.
@tessamae I'll come over and listen with you. Baz Luhrmann can do no wrong. Sweeping party scenes! Glitter! Craaaaazy costumes! Acid!
@EternalFootwoman Hooray! I'm also dressed as Angel Juliet from R&J. Because srsly, I WAS SO OBSESSED.Evvvverrryybody's freeeeeee.
@tessamae And now I need to get out my R&J soundtrack. BRB, gotta jam.
I think this looks great in a blockbuster making something from the past contemporary kind of way EXCEPT i REALLY hope the music in the movie makes more sense than the music in the trailer which sounds insanely dumb to me. and using a song for it's lyrics not it's music in a movie is just so ... ew ... to me.
@smartastic I kind of hope they don't have contemporary music in the actual movie...yeah it was sort of novel a few years ago but now it just seems lazy. It would enhance the fakeness of film, rather than capture the time period (like those party scenes, it would just seem like a really well-done 1920s theme party instead of an ACTUAL 1920s party).
@effystonem Yes. There is nothing wrong with an ACTUAL 1920s party. They don't need to be reinterpreted for us.
I really wish I hadn't noticed the misspelling of "Ziegfeld Follies" in the background at 0:14. I can't unsee it and it is DRIVING ME INSANE.
@slough OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT
so basically we're all going to finger-wave our hair and smuggle booze into the theatre to see this together right?
based on the above comment thread, you drink when:
LDC makes one of his three facial expressions
Baz Luhrmann Luhrmanns
the billboard or green light make an appearance
@redheaded&crazie although where are the finger waves in the trailer? isn't this finger wave period?
@redheaded&crazie Sounds awesome. I'm marking it on my calender.
@redheaded&crazie Knowing Baz the finger wave will probably be replaced with Skrillex hair.
@redheaded&crazie I'll be there, with cheap gin cut with some grapefruit juice in a water bottle and the book in my lap (I'll have to clean the gunk from all the "USED" stickers off the spine first).
Oh! Oh! LET'S ALL GET HATS!
The idea of listening to Tobey Maguire narrating anything, even for a minute, makes me full-body cringe. I don't know if I'll be able to sit through this if there's much voice-over, despite liking pretty shiny things.
I know that a lot of people have some major issues with the 1974 movie... But the casting was immaculate! The way Redford says "old sport", it's like those words were never intended to come out of any other mouth. Mia Farrow is the ultimate terrible/sympathetic Daisy, and Lois Chiles is SO STUNNING as Jordan Baker.
As much as I like DiCaprio, this new film is going to be a hard sell for me.
@Equestrienne The casting in that one is great, but for me there's just no emotional weight to it somehow. It just feels like going through the motions--"and then this happened, then this, now this, now it's over." It just never really connects.
@Equestrienne I actually hated Mia Farrow as Daisy, she seemed totally unconvincing as worthy of Gatsby's obsession. They couldn't find an actor with more...charisma? Leo seems like he's trying to emulate Redford's career, actually. Not a bad move for a former teen heartthrob.
Even though I watched the trailer twice this morning (I was half-awake at the time, and seemed to be attracted to the trailer's shininess), and am somewhat interested in seeing the movie, I doubt I'll see it in the theaters. I'll probably rent it from my local library when it comes out on DVD.
I don't know, you guys. I'm kind of...excited for this? According to IMDB, there have been no less than four other Great Gatsby films over the years, and this one just looks so...DIFFERENT. So BAZ LUHRMANN-Y. Romeo + Juliet ('96 represent!) remains one of my favorite movies. And Strictly Ballroom was pretty awesome. I'm giving this one a chance. Plus, I have an abiding affinity for ol' Leo, even though he's probably a d-bag in real life.
@BeebsLaRue Romeo + Juliet! Baby Paul Rudd! Camp out the roof! THE BEST. (I watch it at least twice a year and love it even more every time, despite all its craziness. Or maybe because of it.)
Carey Mulligan looks more like Leonardo's daughter than his old flame. Not buying it.
As a teacher, I am so excited this movie doesn't look like it will be completely awful. If it is rated R, I am going to stab a bitch (can't show that in school), because I am getting a little sick of watching Redford's 1974 version over and over again, 6 times a year.
I didn't initially like Leonardo DiCaprio for the role of Jay, but judging by the trailer, I think he can pull it off. Judging by the reaction of my seventeen year old students (girls screaming in joy when they saw him on that balcony), he will certainly be a popular choice to draw in the younger crowd.
I can't quite picture Carrie Mulligan as Daisy - as others have said, she looks much too young and button-nosed rather than elegant - but we shall see.
My initial reaction was that I hate it, and yet I find myself intrigued and somehow bound to see it. Yes, seeing it is inevitable.
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