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The Comment Section for Every Article Ever Written About PETA

1. This advertising campaign is offensive to women.

2. Clearly you have not read "The Sexual Politics of Meat." Here are four paragraphs from it.

3. Women are not animals and dairy farming is not rape.

4. Um, obviously women are animals. We're all animals.

5. METACOGNITION! Intellect. Patterns. The pyramids.

6. Cameron Diaz's niece is dumber than a pig, says Cameron Diaz!

7. Bacon is yum. I eat bacon whenever I see a vegetarian post on a message board. Sometimes I make myself throw up so I can eat the bacon twice.

8. Bacon is the Holocaust. Isaac Bashevis Singer quotation.

9. Israel perpetrates its own Holocaust daily against the Palestinians.

10. Shut up, 9!

11. Dumb joke about plants having feelings too!

12. Take joke seriously, defend angrily!

13. Did you see the Ingrid Newkirk documentary? She wants to be turned into an umbrella after she dies.

14. PETA steals animals and euthanizes them.

15. My pet is happy being enslaved by me.

16. Vegan cats are unhealthy.

17. My vegan cat loves her vegan food and would otherwise be dead in a shelter and beingness is better than not-being.

18. Your vegan cat is miserable.

19. I'm a vegan but feed my cat grassfed organic beef while I dumpster dive.

20. We all agree factory farming is wrong.

21. No one admits to ever buying factory farmed meat and eggs, and 94% of us obviously live in Brooklyn and work in publishing for $25K a year.

22. I buy meat for my health, because protein. Because B vitamins.

23. YOU DON'T NEED TO EAT MEAT TO BE HEALTHY. Just add algae to your lentils and rice.

24. What are your canine teeth for, then?

25. You have the intestine of an herbivore!

26. THE MAORI EAT ONLY BLOOD. AND THE ESKIMOS ATE ONLY BLUBBER AND THEY NOW HAVE DIABETES BECAUSE OF GRAIN.

27. THE WORD IS INUIT AND ALSO THE OKINAWANS LIVE FOREVER.

28. Read "Diet for a Small Planet" and "Eating Animals" and "Animal Liberation"!

29. Peter Singer is ableist and hates babies.

30. What about the fetuses? What's the difference between infanticide and abortion?

31. SHUT UP, 28!

32. I prefer Michael Pollan. Clearly you have never heard "Eat food, not too much, mostly kale."

33. Pollan is loaded with rich privilege and is a total jag. I live on top of one bodega and under a second bodega and can eat only Fritos.

34. All vegans are rich.

35. INDIA! And we can feed the world with not-eating meat!

36. Meat eaters are fat.

37. SO MANY FAT VEGANS.

38. Since when do we talk about fat people like this on this website?

39. Soy is the worst! Soy kills and is an environmental disaster! And meat substitutes are disgusting.

40. No, dairy substitutes are more disgusting.

41. Daiya is okay.

42. Yeah, daiya is all right.

43. I care more about people.

44. You can care about many things at once.

45. Michael Vick killed dogs but everyone else in the NFL kills their wives and no one cares.

46. This thread has been closed for review by a moderator.



387 Comments / Post A Comment

The Lady of Shalott

ALSO: Obama, farm subsidies, TAXES!!!!!, food aid to famine-stricken third-world countries, whatever that commercial was that was airing a few months ago with Dakota Fanning and lions or something, ZOOS ARE EVIL, zoos are conservation projects!!!!, SLAVERY, and GUYS NOBODY HAS MENTIONED OBAMA YET?????

ELECTROMAGNETIC CHAOS

@The Lady of Shalott: I love the 'all roads lead to Obama' comment rage. 'The Colts drafted THAT guy!? THANKS OBAMA.'

mattewmc

6. Cameron Diaz's niece is dumber than a pig, says Cameron Diaz! this is very funny@t

Vera Knoop

You nailed it.

acefreakly

HILARIOUS! You just made my day of totaling student midterms so much better!

AniaGosia

@acefreakly Mine too! I'm actually reading the Hairpin while my students take an exam at this very moment. Papers are due tomorrow.

shousto

@acefreakly To both of you: I am reading this while I should be studying for a midterm... #onthestudentside

commenterman

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atipofthehat

45. wins everything

EpWs

Don't forget "Being vegan is too expensive!" and the folloup, "I eat a vegan diet for $10 a week!"

SarcasticFringehead

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher Lentils!

MilesofMountains

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher And the follow-up follow-up "I eat nothing but beef for $5 a week, not all of us can afford your $10 extravagance!"

EpWs

@SarcasticFringehead @MilesofMountains I actually saw someone do the "veganism is cheap" argument and then laid out their weekly grocery list. It included Ramen for at least five meals. *facepalm*

Tulletilsynet

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher
And a beef heart only costs five dollars and it ... WAIT I'm being number .... which?

atipofthehat

@Tulletilsynet

Whatever happened to Captain Beefheart & Tennille?

Joshie

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher

"How could anyone even eat at McDonald's I haven't had soda in like 7 years and the first sip feels like battery acid to my muscles"

"YOU might not like it but when you are a Latino day-labourer finishing a 16 hour shift of carrying ladders through a food desert it is literally impossible to find the time for anything but KFC Famous Bowls"

whateverlolawants

@Joshie Best comment ever?

commenterman

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itmakesmewonder

You forgot "Omnivore's pointless and extended whining about how bad meat substitutes are"

queenieliz

You forgot,"PETA funds terrorism"

JessicaLovejoy

My vegan cat loves her vegan food and would otherwise be dead in a shelter and beingness is better than not-being.

:dry, dusty cough from cat:

CupcakeTattoos

@JessicaLovejoy We trained a lion to eat tofu!

area@twitter

@CupcakeTattoos Free Waterfall Jr., is that you?

(SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP)

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RocketSurgeon

32 and 33. Love it. Also, this sounds like every conversation I ever had with a vegan former neighbor.

Tragically Ludicrous

@RocketSurgeon In Denmark a bodega is a sketchy dive bar (well, sketchy for Denmark). When I told my Danish friend what a bodega was in American terms, his eyes got all big and he said one of the books he read in school finally made sense- the author wasn't an alcoholic, she just went to the store a lot.

MilesofMountains

@RocketSurgeon Add something about oysters being vegan, and it's every conversation I've ever bit my tongue to keep from having with my vegan ex-boyfriend.

Judith Slutler

@MilesofMountains Why would oysters be vegan? I'm so confused.

leonstj

@Emmanuelle Cunt - Because they're just a rock with a gooey inside, not a living thing. They're one of the only three rocks we eat, along with salt and pop.

dracula's ghost

@leon.saintjean I read this as "along with salt and poop" and I was like "what kind of crazy new age diet is THIS guy on??"

not to judge

MilesofMountains

@Emmanuelle Cunt He argues that since oysters have no central nervous system and are sustainably farmed, they're basically plants.

Atheist Watermelon

@leon.saintjean mmmmmmm... gooey rocks...

whizz_dumb

@RocketSurgeon #33 made me lose it. So funny. I'm geekin out.

steelyaja

@MilesofMountains YES. I LOVE YOU.

paddlepickle

Ahhhhhh I am dying! Dying I tell you! It was "Eat food not too much mostly kale" that put me over the edge.

ms. alex

@paddlepickle I read that book last night! It made me feel awesome about how I like Kale and like a loser for how much I also like Doritos.

Judith Slutler

@ms. alex Last time I actually felt tempted to engage in an internet veganism debate, it was because someone was on their high horse about Michael Pollan and treating farm animals humanely etc. I desperately wanted to quote the part of his book about his garden in which he blows up a woodchuck's burrow with firecrackers or some shit.

It would've been 100% pure trolling since I believe in a person's right to defend their vegetable garden from animals with deadly force, for real, but still.

sox
sox

@ms. alex I too am a major fan of both kale and Doritos! Though I've never dared to put the two on the same plate.

Also, why are Doritos like crack?

Vera Knoop

@sox Is The Awl still running their casserole series...?

Joshie

@Emmanuelle Cunt
Every acre that a beef cattle isn't grazing and gets replaced with crops for food leads to a 10 fold increase in animal murder when the combine harvester comes for Mrs. Frisby & Co.

Just another little thing you wacko veggys don't seem to "get," heh

whateverlolawants

@Joshie Oh, congratulations, #47.

itmakesmewonder

"WHY DO WE HAVE THE POINTY TEETH IF WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO EAT ANIMALS??"

paperbuttons

My baby is vegan and she never poops! I use the same cloth diaper all week!

paperbuttons

@paperbuttons (not intended to reference Nicole's baby in any way. Nor my own. I don't evenhave a baby.)

saythatscool

@paperbuttons I ate your dumb baby.

paperbuttons

@saythatscool oh no!

itmakesmewonder

@paperbuttons Too bad she ate a twin in the womb. Fetal twinavore.

paperbuttons

@paperbuttons In all seriousness, I once had a vegan girl tell me that when she had a baby she wouldn't breastfeed it, because that wouldn't be vegan. Is that a thing or was she just, you know, crazy?

thebestjasmine

@paperbuttons Well, she may have been extra crazy, but there was a very sad case not too long ago about vegan parents who did exactly that, and the baby died from malnourishment (instead of breast milk or formula they fed the baby soy milk, I think). I think that this is NOT a normal vegan approach to babies.

MilesofMountains

@paperbuttons That's a new twist on the "Are blowjobs vegan??!" question.

EpWs

@paperbuttons WHAT THE HELL HOW IS THAT A THING?

atipofthehat

@MilesofMountains

"Nothing comes between me and my Carrots"

THIS GUY!@twitter

@paperbuttons Can't it be both?

atipofthehat

@saythatscool

NEVER EAT ANYTHING WITH A FACE !!!

sox
sox

@MilesofMountains Have you read I Don't Care About Your Band? She (spoiler alert) has a run-in with a vegan musician who has a penchant for his own proteins. Yick.

GoToaster

@paperbuttons That's a thing that non-vegans who think they're clever often pull out as an attempt at an ethics-negating paradox. Most vegans will tell you that human breast milk is given by consent and therefore not relevant to the vegan argument. That girl probably isn't crazy. Just, you know, kind of stupid.

Megasus

@paperbuttons This reminds me of back in the day when House was good, and some parents came in with a sick baby and House found out they were vegans and had it on a vegan diet and he was like "you fucking idiots"
the end

area@twitter

@Megan Patterson@facebook Was that the vegan parents, or the parent who decided not to vaccinate her kid because she was raising him "all-natural"? And then House gave her a great scathing lecture about all the horrible diseases her child's at risk for now while playing with the (sniffly, feverish) kid, and she asks in horror, "WHAT DOES HE HAVE" and he looks at her and says, "A cold". I miss you, early-run House.

bloodorange

@saythatscool FUCK I am a receptionist and the phone rang at the same time I read "I ate your dumb baby" and SNARF

whateverlolawants

@sox I forgot about that. I kind of hope I can re-forget that.

steelyaja

@area@twitter That was the same episode? Those episodes were close together! "Do you want his coffin to be in froggy green or fire engine red?"

jule_b_sorry

I feel like I just read the Ur-Jezebel post. Well done!!

jule_b_sorry

Also, this post reminds me of Defensive Omnivore Bingo:

http://vegansaurus.com/post/254784826/defensive-omnivore-bingo

applestoapples

Re #11 and 12:
"How do you know plants don't have feelings, too, huh?"
"Because M. Night Shyamalan thought it was a reasonable premise for a movie!"

EpWs

@applestoapples Perfect.

Gwdihw

35.5: Have you *seen* the incidence of heart disease in India? Clearly, ghee-laced vegetables are not the answer!

MEGA VENUTIAN SPACE SCORPION

@l'esprit de l'escalier ghee-laced anything is always the answer.

Porn Peddler

why would you post this when i've been having a terrible day and now am on the way out the door? VEGANS AGAINST PETA. AH I WANT TO READ AND COMMENT SO MUCH BUT WORK...

P.S. Please don't hate me

@Third Wave Housewife
I knew that you would have the best things to say and now I won't get to read them :(

MilesofMountains

You're forgetting the drawn out argument about honey.

laurel

@MilesofMountains I know a pair of identical twins who no longer speak because of that argument.

leonstj

@laurel - This sounds like the best short film ever.

ELECTROMAGNETIC CHAOS

@leon.saintjean: Directed by Christopher Guest?

Daisy Razor

@MilesofMountains What is the argument about honey? Is it about whether it is delicious or super delicious? Because I can't think of anything else!

MilesofMountains

@Daisy Razor whether or not you count as vegan if you eat it. It's created by animals, therefore it's kind of an animal product, but some vegans eat it anyway and argue it is very low-harm.

Because obviously it us super delicious, how is "only delicious" a point of view non-crazy people have?!

Daisy Razor

@MilesofMountains Oh, that's fascinating. I can see why I didn't know that, because I'm pretty sure anyone who thought that deeply about veganism wouldn't want to hang out with me. (And I don't understand those "only delicious" people either.)

Hellcat

@laurel I don't know why this, of everything here, was the thing to make me cackle loudly! But, oh my god, it is so funny!

Decca

@Hellcat Oh my, same. I'm literally wiping tears of mirth from my eyes.

laurel

@Decca Yeah, when our mutual friend told me about it, we couldn't help but laugh derisively. And wonder what they're really so pissed off about.

Xanthophyllippa

@Too Much Internet Can the twins be played by Allison Janney and Jane Lynch?

Joshie

@MilesofMountains
Imagine a new mother breastpumps milk and thinks she has it on hand for her hungry infant, only to get to the fridge and find someone has taken it just because they like the taste? (Honey is necessary to keep larvae alive but added sugar is totally unnecessary to human survival)

The best light beekeeping can be cast in is morally equivalent to Manson Family Creepy Crawling, which says everything that needs to be said.

melmuu

I'm dying. So good.

parallel-lines

This leather is okay, I stole it from a thrift store.

tofutticutie

My favorite comments go like this: Vegans can't be healthy, I know a fat vegan - OR - Vegans can't be healthy, I know a really skinny vegan.

So, the take away is, vegans are shaped more or less like the rest of us? Awful.

olivebee

@tofutticutie OMG yes. Most PEOPLE (meat-eating or not) don't know how to eat healthily, so everyone needs to quit throwing stones.

leonstj

You missed my favorite part, where people say "Ad Hominem!" when they mean "Straw Man!" and vice-versa, because nobody is quite as stupid as people who are only a tiny bit smart.

itmakesmewonder

@leon.saintjean "nobody is quite as stupid as people who are only a tiny bit smart."

LEON <3

liney

@leon.saintjean My god, that's the perfect demotivator.

DH@twitter

@leon.saintjean

As Forster says, half an education is worse than no education.

(I really hope Forster actually said that. I think it was in Howards End! O GOD I AM WHO IS HE IS TALKING ABOUT)

dracula's ghost

@leon.saintjean YOU ARE SUCH A GENIUS

atipofthehat

@leon.saintjean

PLEASE!

That's begging the question.

leonstj

@atipofthehat - I declare cum hoc ergo propter hoc up in this motherfucker!

Lucienne

@DH@twitter I think he said that, but maybe it's in Maurice? But also maybe it's in HE after all and he says it about some Wilcoxes or ... perhaps about Leonard. (Except it seems awfully mean to be about Leonard.)

ELECTROMAGNETIC CHAOS

@leon.saintjean: For all intensive purposes, I could care less.

atipofthehat

@leon.saintjean

Naw, that's totally a red earring!

Mira

@Too Much Internet Irregardless, I am amused.

anachronistique

@leon.saintjean If you didn't live so far away I would bake you a pie just for that comment.

theharpoon

@leon.saintjean Somebody needs to nip this thread in the butt.

frigwiggin

@theharpoon You're all just taking this for granite!

hodgmina

@dracula's ghost "A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope. I guess the sentiment's been around a long time.

Vera Knoop

@atipofthehat per say

marilla

@theharpoon On the contrary, I think we need to flush this thread out even further.

Vera Knoop

@marilla Yeah. I think we're honing in on some good insights here.

EpWs

@Vera Knoop I agree, we need to give this thread free reign.

Vera Knoop

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher Some people are bothered by long, off-topic threads, but I'm unphased.

Fig. 1 (formerly myfanwy)

This thread is peaking my interest.

mustelid

@all y'all: If you don't yet know about this website, tell your bosses I'm sorry that you're not getting any more work done today.

steelyaja

@Vera Knoop IMO this thread has been nothing but completely on topic.

olivebee

As a strict vegetarian, I am constantly vacillating between the following thoughts: meat-abstainers are insufferable, I am insufferable, I am not as insufferable as most vegans, gloating meat-eaters are the most insufferable, EVERYONE IN THE MEAT VS. NO MEAT ARGUMENT IS INSUFFERABLE.

I tire so often of my meat-eating coworkers and friends rubbing shit in my face. But I also tire of vegans judging me hard for not being an eensy weensy bit stricter with my abstaining diet. Ugh, everyone is just the worst.

dracula's ghost

@olivebee Strongly agree with every single thing you just said.

I am insufferable! Meat eaters are insufferable! Crabby vegans are insufferable even though I've BEEN ONE OF THEM! People like me who say "oh I used to be vegan but now I'm just a strict vegetarian" are totally insufferable to the insufferable vegans and I know this because I used to be vegan and and I found my current subject position insufferable! What does it all mean???

Ultimate insufferability is probably experienced by factory farm animals but they ain't talking. Or I mean, they talk about it all the time but no one listens.

"Obligatory Michael Pollan quote about eating boar you shot with your own bow and arrow, somehow this quote applies to me eating McDonalds"

Judith Slutler

@dracula's ghost I'm a vegetarian who can't stop eating fish. I am insufferable.

dracula's ghost

@Emmanuelle Cunt I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERE IS NO ESCAPE

"I just got so TIRED when I was vegetarian. That's why I have to eat jack-in-the-box chicken quesadillas every day"

kayjay

@olivebee I have been deemed not vegan enough by some standards, and insufferably vegan by others just by passing on meat offered. So my thinking is, if I'm pissing off absolutely everyone, I must be doing something right.

dracula's ghost

@kayjay good call

Judith Slutler

@dracula's ghost Someday I'll probably go to eating organic free range meat. Then I will be insufferably privileged and anthrocentric. I'm so looking forward to it!

dracula's ghost

@Emmanuelle Cunt That's when you know you've really "arrived."

MIDDLE CLASS HERE I COME--oh wait it's been destroyed

H.E. Ladypants

@olivebee Oh goodness, I hear you.

I also have people who tell me that I'm one of the least obnoxious vegetarians they've ever met. I usually sort of say thanks but I'm never sure how I'm supposed to feel about that.

dracula's ghost

@H.E. Ladypants I think that is fucked up!

"You know, you're one of the least obnoxious Jews I know!"

Imagine!

Faintly Macabre

@olivebee I am a mostly-vegetarian who rarely eats fish and chicken (but not shellfish). I have something for everybody to hate!

kayjay

@Faintly Macabre How SHELFISH of you.

Sorry, it just...nevermind. No excuses.

olivebee

@everyone <3 you guys! I just read through your comments emphatically going "mmm-hmmm, mm-hmm, yep!"

CupcakeTattoos

@olivebee EVERYONE IS INSUFFERABLE! Yes. Ugh. I have the same thought process. I think it's worse when vegans yell at you for eating cheese and eggs....I'm sorry my dietary choices aren't good enough? BAH. Ugh. No.

bombazinedoll

@olivebee I am a vegetarian who spent that last ten years denying my overwhelming love of crab. Now I have reintegrated fish into my diet for "health reasons," while clinging desperately to my vegetarian title. I am competing for most insufferable on an Olympic level.

Fig. 1 (formerly myfanwy)

@bombazinedoll I think we can all agree that crabs aren't really animals, with their stupid pointy legs and sideways walk. Die, crabs!

hotdog

@Emmanuelle Cunt if you eat fish, you are not a vegetarian. Unless you're talking to my catholic grandmother, in which case, fish are some sort of plant? Regardless, I'm not a vegetarian, so my comment is not mean to like, one-up in any way.

yourpretendfriend

@olivebee I completely agree. I'm vegan but I don't force my lifestyle on anyone and I could care less if you eat a hamburger in front of me. I feel like people expect me to preach to them or criticize their choices but usually it's the other way around. It gets really annoying when people make fun of me and ask if I miss bacon or say that what I'm eating looks gross. I'm not saying that hotdog looks gross so don't say my tofu looks gross! I have a bag that says "Vegan means I'm trying to suck less" which I think pretty much sums it all up. Sorry for ranting.
Also I think this post is hilarious!

bombazinedoll

@olivebee Yeah, but being "vegetarian" while eating fish is less insufferable than being "pescatarian." In my opinion anyway. I guess some vegetarians would disagree. Personally, I keep the label vegetarian for the ease of it. Everyone knows what that means, and when I admit that I eat fish, people like to decide for me that chicken should be okay, and if I'm eating chicken, what's the harm with an occasional steak? So what I'm saying is... humanity is insufferable.

Rookie (not the magazine) (not that there's anything wrong with that)

@hotdog Ron Swanson once said that "fish meat is practically a vegetable."

Faintly Macabre

LOOK AT THESE PICTURES OF SLAUGHTERED COWS!!!

dracula's ghost

you also forgot the classic timeless "ARE YOU GONNA MARRY A CARROT"

P.S. Please don't hate me

@dracula's ghost
THIS IS WHAT GAY MARRIAGE HAS LED TO WHY DOES NO ONE SUPPORT SANTORUM?!

JessicaLovejoy

@dracula's ghost "And, my dearest Snooki, that is the tale of how I met your mother."

ms. alex

@dracula's ghost I met someone last week who allegedly owns a baby carrot and juice company and he showed me his golden carrot.

No, really. It was a golden carrot charm on a necklace that he wears apparently all the damn time.

yarabollocks

@dracula's ghost

She admitted it! Lisa's going to marry a carrot!

Verity

@yarabollocks If a cow got the chance he'd eat you and everyone you care about.

Xanthophyllippa

@Verity Pigs will definitely eat anything that doesn't get out of their way. Including, but not limited to, the tires on the tractor parked too close to the pen.

sovereignann@twitter

@Verity Wow, Mr. McClure. I was a grade A moron to ever question
eating meat.
Oh The Simpsons...

pointy

@ms. alex Was it shaped like a regular carrot or a baby carrot?

ms. alex

@pointy It was a tiny regular carrot. I was a little disappointed that it wasn't a baby carrot, but I guess it wouldn't be as clearly a carrot then.

whateverlolawants

@ms. alex How many KARATS was it?

Cupcake Coven

@dracula's ghost

LISA: They can't seriously expect us to swallow that tripe!

MISS HOOVER: And now, enjoy this tripe! Courtesy of our friends at the Meat Council!

RALPH: When I grow up, I'm going to Bovine University!

So many classic lines! I'll admit, that Simpsons episode is what convinced me to go veggie, at age 12. It didn't hurt that I was an ardent Beatles fan. I stuck with the veggie lifestyle for eight years.

PistolPackinMama

Oh my god. I am dying here. This was so, so, so very good.

miss buenos aires

@PistolPackinMama I concur. Very rarely does Internet commentary make me laugh out loud at my desk, but this was amazing.

PistolPackinMama

@miss buenos aires As usual, the comments are on par with the article.

miss buenos aires

@PistolPackinMama It's the gift that keeps on giving!

Tulletilsynet

Loads of fun to be had with the slaveholding analogy. Outrage opportunities for everybody.

leonstj

@Tulletilsynet - "Ugh, I don't even see what's wrong with slaveholding. Sure, it was bad the way the English and Dutch did it here, when it was based on racism, but what about Roman slaveholding? That wasn't at all racist, and they could earn their own freedom is they worked hard." ~some guy who, i dunno, I guess he listens to a lot of Rush and votes for Ron Paul

laurel

@leon.saintjean Jeez, what did Rush ever do to you?

GoToaster

@laurel Besides be objectivists?

And here ends the total of bad things I will ever say about Rush.

laurel

@GoToaster Nooooooooooo. I never evaluated Rush on anything other than, like, "ooooo, the trees..."

Fuck.

wee_ramekin

@all Regarding slavery: did you guys know that Spartans ritually sent young soldiers-in-training to hunt and kill slaves every autumn?

I'd always kind of figured that if I had to be an Ancient Greek, I would be a Spartan - even though I privately believe I would make a much better Athenian/Ravenclaw - because they are the only Greeks whose women had any sort of faint whiff of equality.

Well holy fucking shit man. Spartans sucked.

Jesus.

miwome

@leon.saintjean Yup, and it's totally socially progressive how the Roman slaves were all just understood to be sexually available, all the time! And still kind of owed their masters sexual favors after they were freed, as like, I dunno, a thank-you thing! Free love, you guys.

Tulletilsynet

@wee_ramekin
More like serfs than slaves. But yeah.

Ham Snadwich

@leon.saintjean - I had a die-hard libertarian roommate who supported slavery only if you could sell *yourself* into slavery, because not allowing you to sell yourself into slavery infringed on your personal freedoms.

PistolPackinMama

@wee_ramekin I was the only person in my Freshman World History class who answered "Sparta" when asked which city I would rather be a woman in, Athens or...

I remember repeating... but you wouldn't BE allowed near the art and culture! You'd be dead at 18 from childbirth or childbed fever. You wouldn't be able to read! Your husband would be 40! At least in Sparta your name would go on your tombstone for dying in battle if you died in childbed! You could keep your household accounts!

Noone seemed to get on board with that line of argument.

Also, the only women in Athens who got access to that stuff... high-class courtesans. So you could read poetry... and have sex with people on demand.

What am I missing there?

Brunhilde

@leon.saintjean Please leave Geddy Lee out of this!

H.R. Vixen

"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants."
- A. Whitney Brown

julia

I'll be the humorless one who reminds everyone to get rid of your PETA, seriously, it is fucking revolting.

City_Dater

@julia

Seconded.

Send your PETA out to dumpster dive for wilted leafy greens and lock the door behind it.

OxfordComma

@julia : And they're rude. Don't forget rude.

anachronistique

Cannot breathe, send help.

TheDragon

@anachronistique
Am sending St. Bernard with whiskey in a neck-barrel.
Might not be the help you where thinking of, but I find whiskey helps with everything

Fig. 1 (formerly myfanwy)

@The Kendragon I have apprehended the St Bernard. It is now en route with empty neck barrel. Or, as Eeyore would say, a Useful Pot to Put Things In.

TheDragon

@Fig. 1 (formerly myfanwy) Why would you do such a thing? Sharing is caring.
Whiskey for all! Qream for the very brave.

Anyways, I'm sure PETA is mobilizing to take me down for my enslavement of said St. Bernard.

atipofthehat

HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN!

dracula's ghost

@atipofthehat A CLASSIC!!!!

kayjay

@atipofthehat Oh yes! That hoary chestnut! One of my faves!

PistolPackinMama

@atipofthehat HE ALSO HAD A MUSTACHE... SIGNIFICANT PAUSE. And wore pants. At least, I hope he wore pants. And breathed and metabolized.

dracula's ghost

@PistolPackinMama You know who else rode in a car? HITLER

Judith Slutler

@dracula's ghost You know who else failed at building a career as an artist?

atipofthehat

@Emmanuelle Cunt

I wear leather pants because the cow was already dead anyway!!!

laurel

@atipofthehat "I only wear vegan shoes (made from cheap petroleum products by traffic'd children chained to sewing machines in the Marianas)."

PistolPackinMama

@laurel I always misread that as "marinaras" and then it's all tomato sauce in my head.

GoToaster

@atipofthehat Ughhhhh nooooooo. I know you probably made that joke because you're already aware of it, but so many people don't realize factory farmed leather and beef come from different cows. Yup. Listen up, the rest of you who didn't know that.

anachronistique

@atipofthehat Fur is already dead, and besides a name like that doesn't make a good acronym.

Xanthophyllippa

@anachronistique My ex-boyfriend can't tell me I've sold out, because he's in a cult and not allowed to talk to me.

EpWs

@Xanthophyllippa I believe that you won that breakup.

whateverlolawants

@atipofthehat Lederhosen.

steelyaja

@atipofthehat I watched this thing one time (???) about Hitler's doctor. Anyway, the point of it all is that Hitler smelled REALLY BAD, ALL THE TIME. He was on tons and tons of drugs for his indigestion and on a special diet of raw vegetables.

agreenballoon

@atipofthehat See Also: People who make the choice to live a vegan lifestyle must not have any human rights concerns at ALL, since they devote SO much of their miserable anemic lives to weeping about the plight of factory-farmed chickens, etc.

kayjay

I love this with all my plant-eating heart.

ms. alex

I recently became a vegetarian (who eats eggs because I don't HATE MYSELF), and I swear I don't want to ever be an asshole vegetarian. I promise that if I ever say/do an asshole vegetarian thing, I will eat Spam.

Ugh, that would have made me feel gross when I still ate meat.

kayjay

@ms. alex Don't worry about it. Someone is going to hate what you're doing no matter what you do. I remember one Thanksgiving about 12 years ago, my dad teased me so incessantly about wanting to make my own food for dinner that I cried for days. I didn't preach. I simply offered to make my own food so that my mom wouldn't feel obligated to. So expect some shit even if you keep your head down and just do what you do. My favorite quote by Tina Fey: "Keep doing your thing. Don't care if they like it."

ms. alex

@kayjay Yeah, I'm not eating Spam for that. So far my group of friends has a high ratio of vegetarians to omnivores, so it hasn't been too bad.

However, if I ever say something like "that's so inhumane/unhealthy/gross..." or whatever, I'll be forced to eat Spam.

Oh man that really does make me feel icky to think about. I chose my punishment all too well.

werewolfbarmitzvah

@ms. alex Yeah, lemme tell ya, I've been vegetarian for approximately ten thousand years, and I don't usually talk about it unless directly asked about it, and really and truly I do not CARE whether other people eat meat or don't eat meat because what people eat is their own damn business, but nonetheless, people are gonna say what they're gonna say. Some meat-eaters will want to go on and on to you about how much they love a good steak, because they want to get a rise out of you. Some vegans will want to guilt trip you for eating an occasional egg, because they can't accept that you possess a slightly different viewpoint than they do. And many people, both meat-eating and non-meat-eating, will say nothing and let you live your life in peace. If there's one thing I've noticed about how people react to other people's eating habits, it's that their reactions say a whole lot more about them than they do about you. Anyone who gives you a hard time about the way you've chosen to eat or any other way you've chosen to live your life is generally someone who's pretty uncomfortable about their OWN choices, and they're just projecting that discomfort on to you.

wharrgarbl

@ms. alex So long as you're not getting in anyone's grill over things, you'll be fine. At least one person is probably going to get in your grill about your dietary choices, because people are dickheads, but that dickheadedness is on them. (It is still acceptable to get all judgy about veal, foie gras, and other things that even most meat-eaters give the side-eye.)

H.E. Ladypants

@ms. alex My mom has been a vegetarian for um.... (does math) 44 years and has managed to not even drift close to being insufferable. Trying to stick to an ideal does not mean you become judgey!

kayjay

@werewolfbarmitzvah Well said!

ms. alex

@ms. alex I think I'm exposed to a higher than normal number of asshole vegetarians/vegans on FB because most of my vegetarian friends are also philosophers, so you know where that leads: strong philosophical ideas about food.

OxfordComma

@werewolfbarmitzvah : Bless you for that. Seriously, leave folks the fuck alone about what they eat or don't eat. T'ain't yer business.

Hellcat

@werewolfbarmitzvah This is just one of those things that baffles the living crap out of me because I simply can't understand why Person A cares what Person B is eating*, and, more crazily, takes the time to bother/taunt/preach to/debate (basically anything outside of simple questions stemming from general curiosity) Person B about it! It's just so nutty. Who are the people who have time to care about this? Oy and yikes!

* OK, I do actually care if someone is, say, trying to eat my food in some rude way, or when the BF eats something with raw onions around me; the smell makes me retch. However, it it means that much to him now and then, whatever...

Xanthophyllippa

@ms. alex I think that just means philosophers have a statistically higher incidence of assholery than does the average population.

(No offense to philosophers here. Clearly, 'pinner philosophers are exempt.)

ms. alex

@Xanthophyllippa
As much as I like my philosophy friends...yeah. There are some really insufferable ones out there.

miwome

@Hellcat This is like in third grade when somebody started getting all EW THAT'S GROSS about my sandwich, which was--I don't even remember, but not very weird, anyway, and I was just..."why? Why do you care? IT'S MY SANDWICH I JUST WANT TO EAT IT"

Hellcat

@miwome At least in that case, the perp has an excuse, i.e., being in third grade! The adults, though... wha?

@ms. alex I just wanted to pop in and say, "Philosophy friends... I hear you." Actually, I have two and they are not too insufferable to me, but, oh yes, I can so see where many, many others would think this of them! Also, they seem to be some of the drunker friends I have!

ms. alex

@Hellcat it's true, Philosophy friends do like to drink.

bloodorange

@ms. alex Aaaaand Rene Descartes was a drunken fart

fondue with cheddar

@ms. alex I bought a can of spam 4 years ago because I was curious. I still haven't been able to bring myself to eat it.

TheBelleWitch

This is so beautiful. I request a whole series on a variety of internet-inflammatory topics. Then I'll never have to read anything but the Hairpin ever again.

stonefruit

@TheBelleWitch EMPHATICALLY SECONDED.

atipofthehat

@TheBelleWitch

I have to withhold judgment. Waiting for former Miss California Carrie Prejean to weigh in on this.

TheBelleWitch

@atipofthehat Well, I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one way or the other.

whateverlolawants

@TheBelleWitch I was just thinking I should write some on other types of articles. But if Nicole wants the series to herself, she's proven herself very capable and I leave it in her hands enthusiastically.

dracula's ghost

THE BIBLE

kayjay

@dracula's ghost Oops, you win. Shut it down, everyone.

dracula's ghost

LIVING YOUR LIFE ACCORDING TO YOUR BELIEFS IS SO PRIVILEGED

Pool Party

@dracula's ghost How dare you care about this thing I do not have the luxury to care about you MONSTER!!

Megasus

It's true that fake cheese is more disgusting than any kind of fake meat I have ever had.
Also when my sister decided to stop eating meat when she was like 13 my idiot of a stepmother decided that soy killed brain cells cuz some lady in a store said so.
Also I like vegans because they know how to cook really well.

atipofthehat

@Megan Patterson@facebook

Fake pecan pie made out of steak is worse than anything you could imagine.

Party Falcon

Yes, so funny. I understand why you are all laughing. I am laughing too. Totally Laughing With You. Not at all hanging my head in shame. Hahahahaha, I am much better than those comments too! And when I read them in no way did I think to myself, "But I thought that once, or something like that." Because I am a smart, funny awesome Internet Falcon who would never EVER be that kind of commenter.

Or something like that.

PS - Your vegan cat IS miserable.

Megasus

@Party Falcon Yeah there is like a 99% chance that your vegan cat plots to murder you in your sleep.

kayjay

@Megan Patterson@facebook I'd say chances are good your meat-eating cat is, too.

dale

@Party Falcon The vegan store here has cat food and I have to walk past it with my eyes covered, otherwise I'm sure I'll flip out on them with a long diatribe on appropriate cat nutrition. But I know PETA would rather I didn't have "companion animals" anyway, so there's no point.

PistolPackinMama

@dale Soooo... I have never really investigated this because I fear what I will learn.

But, in my ignorance, I have wondered... with domesticated companion animal type animals... if we don't have them, what is supposed to happen to them as species? Do we want them to be extinct? Or feral? Or what? Because dogs for sure are work animals, and are sort of in relationship with humans by their very existence. Same with domestic chickens- even heirloom ones- and so on.

So, if they aren't desired by humans for human purposes, won't humans not raise them at all, and then what? Will these kinds of animals even survive at all?

I mean, color me anthropologist, but I can't really let go of the idea that a lot of companion animals co-evolved with humans, and don't do well without them, or even really have much chance of surviving, so to withdraw from their existence now could be kind of catastrophic?

Or does PETA have a plan for that? Or is the plan not necessary?

What am I missing here?

Honest, I am not trying to flame or anything, I am really puzzled by this one.

And, my favorite dog in the world? Really not a fan of other dogs. He would not do well fending for himself as a pack animal. But he really loves his Person. And me, and loves being with me and following me around. And guarding his toys. That's another thing he loves to do.

I know one white German shepherd is not all dogs, and his personal needs cannot be generalized to other animal needs. But it makes me so sad to think of Hoops the Dog having to not do what he likes best. Which is guard the underside of the kitchen table and show me his squeaky toy and ignore other dogs.

dale

@PistolPackinMama I admit I have not gone further down the rabbit hole myself, so I'm not sure what their ultimate ideal would be. I know one of my dogs would not have coped well on her own and someone would have had to wrench her from my cold dead hands.

Vera Knoop

@Megan Patterson@facebook I would wear a "Your Vegan Cat Hates You" t-shirt. Well, no I wouldn't. But I'd buy it for a friend.

Megasus

@PistolPackinMama Well I remember watching a thing about what would happen if humans just all disappeared, and one of the things was that most people's dogs would just die because they wouldn't know how to fend for themselves. Especially the little ones.

Vera Knoop

@Megan Patterson@facebook I know for a fact that my cat wouldn't make it in the wild, because we found him, emaciated and with an injured back paw, in a large city park. He had clearly been raised as a house cat and probably been dumped there some time before. There are plenty of feral cats there, and I'm pretty sure they took his lunch money. if he ever managed to catch anything at all. Which is doubtful, considering that the one time he caught a mouse, after an hour alone with him in a small bathroom, the mouse was completely unscathed despite having been in his mouth an hour before. They were just kind of sitting there looking at each other.

Megasus

@Vera Knoop Hahaha, yeah my sister's cat can catch baby rabbits, but only to sit on them and terrify them to death.

WastedPaper

@Vera Knoop Awww that is adorable! <3 u, kitty!

sovereignann@twitter

@PistolPackinMama This reminds me of this time I was watching something on Discovery or something and the statement was, "...finding hamsters in their natural habitat..." and I thought, "WHAT?! a)hampters have a natural habitat and b) where in nature are those wheels?"

Vera Knoop

@WastedPaper He is the absolute best. He's an affectionate, silly, inquisitive sweetheart, and I love him so much it's ridiculous.

JustAPaperBag

@PistolPackinMama I'm pretty sure nothing in nature would know what my little rescue mutt needs when he stares at nature and whimpers plaintively. I KNOW.

To be honest, he is a very smart little guy, but between his epilepsy and love of lap-sitting, not to mention the fact that his only means to acquire food is to sit on his bottom and stare at his treats, I don't think he would fend well.

Then there's my sweet, dumb, lazy gelding who needs rubber mats and bedding to keep the swelling down in his deformed legs and cannot flee predators at more than a brisk canter. And even my tenacious and rotten mare would wonder why I am not bothering her with my hugs and kisses. She won't admit it, but I know she loves it.

So I guess PETA would just kind of shrug and say "survival of the fittest"? But that means that my dependent animals are surviving because they tricked me into it with their big brown eyes and nuzzles and kisses, and then that must mean that they are the fittest, because they have their food delivered to them at the same minute every day and someone puts a blanket on them in case they're chilly, and I am willing to sell my soul for their survival. So in your face, PETA, my crippled, slightly dumb animals are beating all those wild animals at their own game!

I just really think animals and people were meant to co-exist, and some of them are here for companionship - they get it from us and we get it from them.

PistolPackinMama

@JustAPaperBag Aw. Animal stories! Love.

PETA always seems to be making its policy choices on removing humans from the animal-human interaction. But since so many animals co-evolved with humans, that doesn't make sense as a way of preserving animal populations.

Also, I feel like they have two streams- individual welfare of animals, and welfare of animal populations. Problem is, those don't always mesh.

Biological fitness means having produced offspring. The more offspring, the more fit. So your critters? Probably not fit. Does it matter? Hell no. Your sweet dumb animals don't have to have evolutionary fitness to be useful/desirable to you. As long as the general population can reproduce, right? It's enough for them to serve whatever purpose they serve as it is.

Vera Knoop

@PistolPackinMama Yes. My feeling is that you can argue over whether it was wrong for humans to domesticate animals if that is your thing, but the fact is that it's done, and the results are species that are interdependent with humans.

JustAPaperBag

@PistolPackinMama Ooh, I forgot about the reproducing requirement. So my guys are screwed (except they aren't, haha!). And yeah, I would think as long as the species in general is reproducing, that's what really counts.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the interview the Daily Show did with a VP from PETA. I'm not sure how that ties in with my point, but I have pneumonia so. There's a lot I'm not sure of at the moment.

meaux

@PistolPackinMama. I have no answers, but just wanted to say I teared up a little at your description of Hoops the Dog under the kitchen table with his toys. I miss my dog now, as I will not see her for another 8 hours. Dogs! I love them.

PistolPackinMama

OKAY THAT WAS BIG SORRY. TRY AGAIN!

I GUARD THE TOYS

Party Falcon

@PistolPackinMama Who wants to scratch that puppy right between the ears? And give him kissums on his yittle black nose? Yes, I do. Such a good boy!

Vera Knoop

@PistolPackinMama I may or may not have just said PUPPY!!! out loud in a ridiculous voice. My cat looks annoyed.

WastedPaper

AHHHHH! All of this makes me want a Brag On Your Pets thread!

PistolPackinMama

@everyone I think this is a perfect opportunity to brag on pets. Piss of PETA! Do it now!

Also, Hoops would like it if you rubbed his haunches. Yesss, it's a haunch rub. And also pretended to want his toys so he could deny you them.

TheDragon

You did an excellent job, but forgot my personal favorite little rant:
PETA spends so much of conservation agencies' time and money suing them because they aren't conserving the way PETA wants them to. PETA never seems to realize how much this delays and decreases conservation of endangered animals. UGH PETA
Ok, I'm done now

Joshie

@The Kendragon
If it was up to PETA there'd be NO INSULIN which is ironic because PETAs board only survives by taking insulin

cuminafterall

Everyone: "Why are you a vegetarian?!"

Me: "Because I feel like it."

MmeLibrarian

@cuminafterall Do they really let you leave it at that? Because I've been some type of vegetarian my entire life and I don't think I've ever made it out of *that* conversation quite so easily. Esp. when we get to the part where, to counter their doubt that I could have been an elementary school vegetarian, I say that I've never had a hamburger. That always goes down a road. A long, long road.

cuminafterall

@MmeLibrarian If they press me, I usually say something like "You know how some people just can't stand olives and never eat them? It's like that."

Most polite people won't argue with someone about their personal preferences, and it has the added benefit of being true (for me, anyway).

stonefruit

In fairness, Peter Singer absolutely is an ableist POS. /ducking

apples and oranges

@stonefruit How? I don't know much about him, just a little bit that was touched on in an environmental policy and ethics class. (I didn't like his point of view, even though I'm a vegetarian so more reasons to disagree with/dislike him are good by me!)

stonefruit

@kangerine Here's a good place to start: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/magazine/unspeakable-conversations.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

phillystout

@stonefruit Wow. Thanks for the link.

Judith Slutler

@stonefruit holy frijole, what the fuck?

Pool Party

@stonefruit I would pay good money to see Peter Singer and Derrick Jensen in fisticuffs.

area@twitter

@stonefruit Thanks for the link and sweet baby Jesus, what in the actual fuck dude?!

Edit: The author of that piece is incredible. Right here: "I have trouble with basing life-and-death decisions on market considerations when the market is structured by prejudice." ::standing, clapping::

stonefruit

@area@twitter Yep - Harriet McBryde Johnson was an amazing, amazing woman. Such a rockstar.

area@twitter

@stonefruit aw man, and she passed away in 2008. Damn. She was SUCH a badass. And thanks to her article, now I know exactly why I find Peter Singer's ideas so horribly repugnant! (I mean, I knew I found them awful, but now I know exactly WHY.)

stonefruit

@area@twitter I recommend reading all of her stuff! In addition to being a total badass, she also had a wicked sense of humor.

PistolPackinMama

@stonefruit I am so glad I took the time to read that.

And Peter Singer. Ugh. Yes, that helped with some serious clarification.

I think... I think he might value ideas over people. "To take the point of view of the universe?" Well, okay. Except people don't live with the point of view of the universe. They live with the point of view of people. What does thinking like the universe get you, except to be divorced from your own humanity?

And maybe that's it... he's an atheist who has decided that since there is no god, he can play god? By being the Voice of the Universe? How does he know what The Universe sees?

I may be illogical, but I am glad that I want my definitions of "personhood" to be able to include more rather than less.

Also, MacBryde Johnson's use of the word "genocide" pretty much brings it home.

Cupcake Coven

@stonefruit Wow. Thank you for this link. Harriet McBryde Johnson is the new inductee to my personal Women's Hall of Fame. And on International Women's Day, too!

paddlepickle

@PistolPackinMama The 'ideas over people' thing. . .yes, that's definitely the problem with Singer. I didn't like Animal Liberation, even though I'm a vegetarian for moral reasons, because the structure of his ethical arguments made no sense to me. He used the example "If you were in a life boat with a cow and a braindead person and had to throw one over, the cow's life would be worth more because it's more sentient". It was just so ridiculous and not grounded in the reality of the world. I'm a vegetarian for moral reasons but not because I would rather throw a braindead person out of a lifeboat than a cow!

bowerbird

I've been seeing a new one lately that's got this like breathless goddess-speak quality to it along the lines of, "the earth, the soil, it needs the sacrifice of blood and bones to nurture plants, so [rube goldberg justification for cheeseburgers]"

atipofthehat

@bowerbird

Yes, but is it LOCAL ?

PistolPackinMama

@bowerbird Juicy Lucy's at Matt's Bar in Minneapolis are reason enough for cheeseburgers.

wee_ramekin

@bowerbird "Rube Goldberg justification" = Best Phrase Ever. Using that immediately if not sooner.

fondue with cheddar

@PistolPackinMama ____INSERT ANYTHING HERE____ is reason enough for cheeseburgers

Decca

TENUOUS BUT VIRULENT LINK TO STOP KONY 2012.

EpWs

And by "Stop Kony 2012" do you mean the dude, or the viral campaign?

Ham Snadwich

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher - The campaign. The LRA just wants to be left alone to eat free range, sustainably harvested humans in peace.

noReally

My favorite vegetarian-tease is about a child I knew who listened carefully to the adults around her and their various lines in the sand about what they'd eat. "Nothing with a mother," "Nothing with a face," "Nothing with a spinal cord."

She considered her options carefully and came up with, "I don't eat anything that was really, really cute when it was a baby."

No cows, no sheep. Fish, ok. Chicken, ok.

It is a perfect expression of the arbitrary nature of the choice.

PistolPackinMama

@noReally but... but... baby chicks! Bawk!

(Actually, that is a terrific example)

Lisa Berkner@facebook

@noReally That reminds me of a bumper sticker I've seen that says "Save all the cute animals"
I think vegetarians are more likely to be of a certain extra-sensitive temperament, combined with living in a privileged time where most of us can be picky about what we eat and haven't grown up on farms.

TheDragon

@Lisa Berkner@facebook
Thank you. I am a Wildlife Conservation/Biology major, and my main topic of work is Herps. (So amphibians and reptiles). My friend works with bears. It's so frustrating to see how much public funding her projects get, when mine get none-very little.

bombazinedoll

Has anyone every read "The Sexual Politics of Meat?" I gave it to someone for Christmas, because she is vegetarian and also very into sexual politics, but I didn't know whether to present it as "Here is an interesting book that I think you might enjoy." or "Here is this ridiculous book that we can read and laugh about together."

Megasus

OMG! So that picture just reminded me that in Assassin's Creed 3, you're going to be able to hunt, kill, and skin animals. I wonder how many vegetarians/vegans are up in arms about that?

fondue with cheddar

@Megan Patterson@facebook I wonder how many vegetarians/vegans play Assassin's Creed 3.

geege

But like, the quinoa shortage?

Guybrush

*slow clap*

Kim Vanderwall@twitter

Thank you all for a great start to the day. It's good to see signs of intelligent life/humor in the world. :-)

moose

Can I just say how much I fucking love the hairpin? That you can post this hilarious dissection of this "argument" and we can then have comments from pinners saying "I am a vegan!" and "I am a bacon-loving carnivore" and it does not descend into the madness of the comments you are illustrating? Seriously guys, you are all so amazing. Here's to doing your own thing and not giving a fuck.

fondue with cheddar

@moose Enthusiastically seconded!

Also, it's not that we don't give a fuck. Part of the reaon 'Pinners are so awesome is because they DO give a fuck. It's just that they only give a fuck about the things that MATTER.

Nicole Cliffe

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wee_ramekin

Uh, Nicole, I believe you meant "curdling". We're constantly adjusting the temperature around here so that we can all curdled toward BFF-ship as quickly as possible.

Lisa Berkner@facebook

This article was hilarious.
I agree with others who have indicated that most vegetarians don't identify with PETA. Although most people seem to be "cruelty free" at some level, I suspect because of the instinct most people have to protect cute things.

The way I see it, is that animals have no innate right to any privilege, but for the one society at large decides to implement. So basically we should respect animals that people have as pets. For any other animals, people should vote with their dollar. But the truth of the matter is that if the respective sizes of me and my dog were reversed, she would probably try to eat me.

steelyaja

@Lisa Berkner@facebook Caring pet owners are definitely the enslaved ones. In "The Vegetarian Myth" Lierre Keith writes about how she went out in the snow twice a day to pour hot water in her chicken coop. Chickens don't give a shit. Maybe their fruit basket got lost in the mail or sth.

GailPink

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Feminist Killjoy

hahahahahaha!!!!

autobotamy

You forgot: "I used to be a vegan..."

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@PistolPackinMama The 'ideas over people' thing. . .yes, that's definitely the problem with Singer. Programming. I didn't like Animal Liberation, even though I'm a vegetarian for moral reasons, because the structure of his ethical arguments made no sense to me. He used the example "If you were in a life boat with a cow and a braindead person and had to throw one over, the cow's life would be worth more because it's more sentient". It was just so ridiculous and not grounded in the reality of the world. I'm a vegetarian for moral reasons but not because I would rather throw a braindead person out of a lifeboat than a cow!

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