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A Few of Mitt Romney's Favorite Things Not "worth borrowing money from China to pay for"

"You get rid of Obamacare, but there are others. Planned Parenthood, we're gonna get rid of that. The subsidy for Amtrak, I would eliminate that. The National Endowment for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities..."



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but i'm a bird

how about: war, let's get rid of that

carolinaclay

You are simply the best@y

The Lady of Shalott

Women's health! Endowments for the arts and humanities! WHO NEEDS SHIT LIKE THAT, AMIRITE?

SarahP

@The Lady of Shalott Stuff like that only encourages a woman to leave the kitchen. And then who will feed her 12 babies?

Ophelia

@SarahP Shit! What if she starts wearing SHOES?

thisisunclear

@SarahP God forbid she takes THE TRAIN.

SarahP

@thisisunclear WHOA there, fast-moving ladies only lead to FAST ladies, if you know what I mean.

olivebee

I can't "like" this thread enough.

graffin

@The Lady of Shalott Name a civilization that has thrived supporting the arts! Besides all of them.

With all fairness to Mitt, he really will say any shit that he thinks Republicans want to hear without filtering it through reason or common sense.

LornaLoo

@graffin

But isn't that the most terrifying aspect of all of this? That there are enough zealots out there worth pandering to with this bullshit, and enough middle leaning republicans that simply aren't OUTRAGED over this? Indeed, it's "politics" but that doesn't mean it can't make me want to spit nails

Cat named Virtute

@SarahP And if they get bicycles! The nation will be plagued by hoards of bicycled-faced women!

Burly-Q

@Marika Pea@twitter Those horrible velocipedestriennes! http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=331

Lemonnier

@Burly-Q Bloomers! Victrolas! Hand me my smelling salts, I feel a bout of the vapors coming on.

Burly-Q

@Lemonnier
Don't get too hysterical or else the doctor will be called to induce a "hysterical paroxysm" using Dr. Taylor's steam-powered "Manipulator"!

MoonBat

And North Dakota, which receives more in agricultural subsidies than it contributes in tax revenue. Let's get rid of North Dakota.

heroicdestinysquad

@MoonBat But without NoDak where could smug pundits who don't actually know anything about the state tell unemployed folks to move?

Mira

@heroicdestinysquad China, obvs.

D.@twitter

@Mira I hear Foxconn is hiring!

redheaded&crazy

I think "is this worth borrowing money from China to pay for" is actually a decent thing to think about. My priorities would obviously be completely different.

I read a statistic which I can't source to back up my facts that by 2030 the interest payments alone on US debt to China will be enough to entirely fund their military.

Considering that about what, $700 billion of the US budget goes to defense spending, maybe um, maybe there's a few dollars there that could be spent differently.

MoonBat

@redheaded&crazy
Yep, the US has an “outsized” military budget of nearly $700 billion. In a distant second place is China’s spending of $199 billion. We spent 5% of our GDP on the military last year, about twice the percentage spent by China, the UK or France.
Edith, if you're ever considering an "Ask an Economist" feature .....*stands on chair and waves arm frantically*

redheaded&crazy

@MoonBat is it even feasible to be paying $200 billion in interest payments? I must have that statistic wrong. in any case, i'm sure the interest payments are outrageous whatever they are. that is money that is going to nothing! NOTHING! NOTHING!!! (well it's going to China) for the sake of invisibility cloaks or whatever else is in development.

ironhoneybee

@MoonBat I would totally read that!

MoonBat

@redheaded&crazy
Currently, interest payments on our national debt make up 10% of revenue. Given aging demographics, health care needs/reform, and current entitlement spending (46 million of our 313 million American citizens are on food stamps), that percentage will easily double in the next few years.

MoonBat

@ironhoneybee? Really? To cure your insomnia, haha?

Megasus

@redheaded&crazy I'll bet this is their evil plan. As well as letting so many American families adopt Chinese children. WORLD DOMINATION!

all the kittens in the club gettin nipsy

@MoonBat while that column percolates, let's all amuse ourselves with this infographic of the US federal budget. Try to find the Nat'l Endowment for the Arts! Hint: it's the size of a breadcrumb!

stuffisthings

@redheaded&crazy China is not the primary lender to the United States government by a long shot -- though the Chinese central bank is the SINGLE largest FOREIGN holder of US public debt. Our public debt is about $13,000 billion, interest payments on which total $186bn a year (1.4%). Of that, the Chinese central bank holds something like $1,100 billion (so the interest payment on that portion would be about $15.4bn). Individuals and US-based entities like pension funds are biggest creditors than China. But the largest owner of US debt? The Federal Reserve and other government entities, which own just under half of it.

Your homework questions:
- How can the government owe money to itself?

- What does it mean when someone is against the Chinese central bank buying US debt, AND thinks the renminbi is undervalued against the dollar?

- China's public debt may be as high as $5,300 billion. Who lent it to them? Why are they not more concerned about it?

stuffisthings

@MoonBat Maybe you can answer this question then: if life expectancy has increased by 17% since 1965, while average incomes have increased by 88%, why is it that we can "no longer afford" the kinds of retirement benefits that were common back then (e.g. defined benefit plans)?

Megasus

@stuffisthings Because we're paying waaaay more for food, housing, cars and gas, etc because inflation.

stuffisthings

@Megan Patterson@facebook Those numbers were adjusted for inflation. Unadjusted (nominal) incomes have gone up by about 10x.

candybeans

@stuffisthings because health care costs more because we ruined it, and tax rates have gone way down on the rich folks? That's my guess.

@MoonBat: I want that column! for reals! I have plenty of questions for An Economist!

Scandyhoovian

Wasn't there a whole load of hoopla about making "promises he can't keep" when Obama ran/immediately after the election last time? What's to be said about promising to "get rid of" Planned Parenthood when it isn't even a government entity!?

Also, anyone that wants to take away endowments for arts and humanities, which are seriously chump change compared to the bloated defense budget, is just doing a whole boatload of pandering to the extremists in the GOP base.

Scandyhoovian

I should just start bashing my head against the wall preemptively. First thing in the morning. Wake up, brush teeth, bang bang bang bang bang.

Changeling

@Scandyhoovian
bang bang bang make bed bang bang bang

Scandyhoovian

@Changeling I have to admit I have failed really hard at making my bed every day this month. It's hard enough getting OUT of it :(

Changeling

@Scandyhoovian
Aww it's OK! I would have failed if it was just the pin motivating me, but someone here recommended this amazing blog, http://unfuckyourhabitat.tumblr.com/ and it's helped me do a lot for my home. Check out the "What is UfYH?" and "Why Make My Bed?" sections for an introduction.

Scandyhoovian

@Changeling Ooooh, thank you for the link!

LornaLoo

@Changeling I LOVE ufyh! I am a very clean person but I do need help with the hidden clutter/organization tasks in my house and ufyh is awesome motivation for tackling those things one 20/10 at a time. :)

EpWs

@Changeling Yesssssss UfYH foreverrrrrr.

HeyThatsMyBike

@LornaLoo Yesss. I friended Ufyh on facebook so now I get yelled at in my newsfeed and it makes me clean (some)things.

Porn Peddler

oh god this didn't link to the onion, oh god oh god.

redheaded&crazy

@Third Wave Housewife canadian safe house. canaaadian safe house.

gigglefest

@Third Wave Housewife
My thoughts exactly. :(

17th Floor

@redheaded&crazy

CAN I COME PUUUHLEEEASE? I already have my own food rations and water purification tablets. (No really I do!)

Ophelia

@17th Floor And remember, we will all bring booze. @Third Wave Housewife, I imagine we can still stop at your place for the night?

OhMyGoshYouGuys

@17th Floor Perhaps it could be a Canadian Hairpin commune?

travelmugs

@Ophelia This is the best emergency plan ever. HairpinHouse: Canada Edition. I learned how to make baklava last night, so I think this earns me a space?

Porn Peddler

@Ophelia Stops between the US and Canada currently include NYC and Rochester, indeed. I have an enormous apartment and I bake like it's my job (chocolate chile cherry cookies this week, aaaaaghlaglflagh so good) WE RIDE AT DAWN (so we get to Canada in time to gather, make, and enjoy drunk brunchies, I will need to get drunk so much)

and @redheaded&crazy my dad is coming to visit me and I am legit asking him to spring for my passport because AUHG IT IS EXPENSIVE

Hello Dolly

@redheaded&crazy Can I come as well? When I read this & heard the results from yesterday & the wins for Santorum, I thought Canada was sounding better & better.

Bebe

@Third Wave Housewife I can make 2 kinds of chili and soft gingersnaps, plus I can get my mom's recipes for Italian wedding soup and meatballs. Can I come?

17th Floor

@ Ophelia. Oh yes. Everyone must bring booze. @Third Wave Housewife
I'm coming from Texas, so ima gonna need ya'll to hold on for just a feeew days. I would be willing to make stops in additional states as needed to develop an appropriate sized posse.

redheaded&crazy

this is beginning to sound more and more like a cult.

you want me as your cult leader you say?

*strokes cat* eeeeeexcellent, i love it when a plan comes together

tortietabbie

@Third Wave Housewife I bake bread! And...cakes and cookies. And I have other skills not involving baking. Please! Don't leave me here with THESE PEOPLE!

redheaded&crazy

by the way guys my idea of cooking is to sprinkle extra cheese on top of the frozen pizza so all this talk of yummy things is delightful to me ...

my house can fit all 700 of you I promise!!!

Neve Garrett

@tortietabbie @Third Wave Housewife You are all too wonderful & possessing too much deliciousness. But, stay. We'll duke it out together.

Bebe

@redheaded&crazy We can all dye our hair red in your honor! I've always wanted to be a redhead, but never found a shade that suits me - but maybe on our utopian Canadian commune, we'll have reproductive health coverage AND better-quality hair coloring options....

Ophelia

Actually, as we turn this into a commune/cult - you will all be pleased to know that I can garden relatively successfully, so despite Canada's painfully brief growing season, we will all have vegetables, as long as @redheaded&crazy can plant some peas right now.

redheaded&crazy

@Natalie Eve I see your point! I should be coming down there to add to y'alls activist numbers! If Romney gets elected we'll march on Washington and RAISE HELLLLL

he won't get elected though right guys

right

Porn Peddler

@redheaded&crazy i don't know but i'm already crying into my coffee.

what. the fuck. is. this country.

dj pomegranate

@Bebe Reproductive health coverage & better-quality hair coloring opti

Neve Garrett

@redheaded&crazy YAY! Thank you. I mean, I'm an artist and mama and things (NEA?! Planned Parenthood?), but yes yes, come to DC, come one come all!

Ophelia

@dj pomegranate Actually, if my spam folder is correct, we will also have BEST AVAILABLE PHARMACEUTICALS FOR LESS if we move to Canada.

Changeling

@Ophelia
I'll be your gardening partner in the Escape to Hairpin Canada!
I also have sewing and painting skills to offer, and an ability to find superb cat videos online.
Please take me!

New Hoarder

@redheaded&crazy I offer up my husband, who is a retired chef and current EMT, as well as an astute gardener, as HouseHusband. For my personal admission, I offer the entermainment of my personality.

dj pomegranate

@New Hoarder I can make balloon animals and also really, really good apple pie.

Unreliable Twit

@Third Wave Housewife Everything out of Santorum's mouth sounds like an Onion headline. BUT THEN IT'S NOT.

tortietabbie

Umm...even if the GOP doesn't win, can we still move into the compound together? Because all of this sounds amazing.

LeafySeaDragon

@Ophelia i will take care of the chickens. they will control the pests in your garden and give us lovely eggs.

Beericle

@redheaded&crazy EVERYONE QUIT MOVING TO CANADA (I mean, go if you really want to) but maybe instead work/volunteer, etc. to get Obama re-elected, and reasonable members of Congress elected.

Bitterblue

@tortietabbie The fantasy of living in a Canadian Hairpin Commune is the only thing keeping me from having a full-blown panic attack right now. I am terrified of my country and I don't like this feeling.

Ophelia

@LeafySeaDragon Ooh, and for landscaping, we should get some goats.

New Hoarder

@Ophelia Pygmy goats!!! They wouldn't take up much room in the Tiny Houses we'd eventually have to erect on our commune.

realtalk

@Beericle oh, I'm doing that alright. This is my backup plan. It's way better than a life sentence for murder next time someone tells me that abortion providers are MURDERERS. It's also better than being murdered for being an abortion provider. So.

redheaded&crazy

@Beericle we will be your resistance fighter brethren in the north, shipping illicit birth control through a massive network of rebels.

when called to arms to protest we will emerge en masse from the snowy white wilderness with sparkly signs and hot chocolate. and goats.

WE ARE LEGIONNNNN

Ophelia

@realtalk Yeah, me too. And just in case we fail, our commune can be a safe haven not just for us, but for abortion providers.

redheaded&crazy

@redheaded&crazy also i hope i'm not offending anybody with my excessive interest in american politics despite, you know, not being american. I'm not trying to steal away fellow freedom fighters really!

OBAMA 2012!

Ophelia

@redheaded&crazy No, it's totally fine. We're just relieved that someone from another country doesn't hate us.

gtrachel

@Ophelia That's actually true... I've been getting my slut allocation (BC) from Canada since the new University insurance decided to charge me $60/month for it. It's $50 for three months from Canada.

sovereignann@twitter

@17th Floor Carpool or at least split the motels on the way there? @redheaded@crazy I have amazing soup recipes so, I'd be an asset when the chill sets in.

sovereignann@twitter

@Ophelia OH! And geese for protection. I've seen them set a pitbull straight.

Porn Peddler

@sovereignann@twitter My four pound teacup maltese set my sister's pitbull straight.

Beericle

@redheaded&crazy You can start the "Canadians for Obama 2012" movement.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@Third Wave Housewife "chocolate chile cherry cookies" RECIPE. RECIPE NOW.

t-square

@17th Floor Stop in Atlanta on your way. I can design all the Tiny Houses we'll need. I can also do calligraphy and braid hair... I'll have to figure out how those will be useful...

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@t-square Can't everyone (who grew up as a girl) braid hair? Not to belittle your contribution. I mean, the Tiny House designs alone merit a spot. On a related note, actual quote from my Dude when I was trying to over-explain something: "I get it. It's not that hard. It's not, like, braiding hair."

EpWs

Everyone in the Ohio Valley area: I'll be coming around to assemble a caravan, then we'll head north. Gather your things. (Hide yo' wife, hide yo' kids, etc.)

Verity

@Veronica Mars is smarter than me I can't. Or, I sort of can (I know how plaits work, and I can do them on Things That Aren't Hair), but when I try to plait actual hair strands escape from the different sections and everything becomes a huge mess. And I definitely can't do it on myself. I am a bit of a failure at personal grooming.

t-square

@Third Wave Housewife Yeah, I guess I should have specified that I can do all kinds of fancy braids and things. Trying to make myself valuable to the group :)

Nutmeg

The more negative comments I hear about Planned Parenthood, the more it reminds me that I a) don't have an OB-GYN, b) haven't had my annual pap in well over a year, and c) haven't hit the $2000 deductible for my insurance yet. Can I plz bill Romney for all this? He only has sons so I'm sure he won't mind paying for my ladybusiness, since he's already so fucking interested in it.

atipofthehat

@Nutmeg

Start a twitter campaign for this!

datalass

@Nutmeg Oh, please do consider a Twitter campaign. And if/when you do, be sure to note that Romney's annual income is something like 21.6 million dollars...that's about $60,000 A DAY. So, he really should pay your deductible, and mine, and pretty much everyone's.

travelmugs

Amtrak? Pssh. Let's just get rid of all public transit and force everyone to drive SUVs. It's what REAL AMERICANS do.

LornaLoo

@travelmugs Technically, that's what Detroit did. (Ultimate Detroit defender here, but the fact that they didn't accept a plan for adequate public transportation early into their city planning in favor of urging all people to drive still chaps my ass.)

ImASadGiraffe

@LornaLoo Yeah, case in point - People Mover? Right.

LornaLoo

@ImASadGiraffe YUP. Legend also has it that the EL system in Chicago was initially proposed to Detroit and they turned it down, saying it would undermine the auto industry. Blarg.

ImASadGiraffe

@LornaLoo Well I had a car, then I moved to Chicago, and the transit system is great enough that I did get rid of my car. So, they're kinda right?

Nicole Cliffe

I'm not from the South, so let me know if I'm doing this right:

Well, bless his heart.

wharrgarbl

@Nicole Cliffe Perfect.

Mira

@Nicole Cliffe Yep, that's it! Just like the terrifying church ladies of my childhood.

Bro-lo El Cunado

@Nicole Cliffe I like to add my very Southern grandma's special twist: "Bless his heart. He thinks he looks cute."

AnalogMetronome

@Nicole Cliffe
My thoughts exactly.
Signed,
An unusually liberal North Carolinian

Bitterblue

@Nicole Cliffe I'd like to offer up a round of applause.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me

@MademoiselleML Aw, poor NC liberal. Seriously, NC, what are you DOING right now? This is what you want your very first amendment to be???

EpWs

@Nicole Cliffe Marginally Southern Kentucky girl here. You're doing it right.

spoondisaster

@Veronica Mars is smarter than me My goodness, I know! Luckily I live in a college town and all of my neighbors have "vote NO on Amendment 1" signs. It makes me love my neighborhood even more.

AnalogMetronome

@Veronica Mars is smarter than me
I can't even right now with Amendment 1. I just get so ENRAGED. Fortunately I don't personally know anyone who's voting in favor, so I have yet actually punch a person over it. Walls, though. Lots of walls.

Alternate plan: Quit NC.

thisisunclear

I really like my health, and train travel, and going to museums and watching PBS. Clearly I am un-American.

wharrgarbl

@thisisunclear Actually traveling is for communists. Real Americans know it's one of those rights that it's important to have but also important to never, ever use.

sovereignann@twitter

@wharrgarbl Yes. I live in a state (TX) where people are actually kinda proud to have never left their state and have no desire to travel more than a 50 mile radius around the only home they"ve known. I am a transplant trying reeeeealy hard to get out!

melis

I go to London for one week and this is the mess you people leave for me?

melis

You probably didn't even pick up my mail like I asked, did you.

melis

Oh, and the litter box is full. Fantastic.

saythatscool

@melis Wait until you see the crawlspace. Those dead hookers were like that when they got here, Mel.

redheaded&crazy

@melis in our defense you didn't even tell us you were leaaaaaving and we miiiiiissed you and i couldn't even get up off the couch i just kept muttering "where is she" and hitting refresh over and over.

Slutface

@melis I'm the one who ate all your cheese. So sorry so fat.

melis

OH REALLY
BECAUSE I NEVER KEEP MY DEAD HOOKERS IN THE CRAWLSPACE
THAT'S LIKE STORAGE 101

melis

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT THEM IN THE COMPOST BIN
FOR COMPOSTING

saythatscool

@melis I was going to, I swear! But then I got caught up in this lasting. And now I haven't slept for like 60 hours.

Bro-lo El Cunado

@Slutface "So sorry so fat" -- fellow JA hater?

MoonBat

@melis
Composting?!? Yeah, right. Composting WITH FIRE, maybe. It's like you think we don't even know you.

saythatscool

@MoonBat Agreed, We want to avoid any potential zombie hooker situation here, Moonie. That's just common sense talking.

beanie

@Bro-lo El Cunado In my mind, all Hairpinners would love GOMI.

Bro-lo El Cunado

@beanie I'm less a GOMI fan as of late than an RBD fan. GOMI is getting depressingly nasty. But "so sorry so fat" will always make me laugh.

@serenityfound

@melis You would have to offset those hookers with so much brown waste in order for composting to happen properly!

Inkling

Get outta my house! Get outta my creepy house!

atipofthehat

@saythatscool

MELIS:

No, no, no, no, let me ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign out in front of my house that said "Dead Hooker Storage"?

MoonBat

@saythatscool
0_0
I'll be spending SO MUCH TIME now, trying to work "potential zombie hooker situation" into my *normal* conversation.

charmcity

Ladies, what's the fuss?! We can all just summon our private physicians and pay for season tickets to the symphony in gold ducats, right?

dj pomegranate

@charmcity Also I take my private jet everywhere anyway, so who needs Amtrak!?

Bitterblue

@dj pomegranate I don't know about you guys, but I keep an artist chained to an easel at all times, for all the art pleasure I need. Also he provides lots of endowment too, ifyouknowwhatImean. Also he screams "OH THE HUMANITY" like, almost constantly. So I'm pretty much covered.

reebs14

What the wha? As a "liberal elite" former college student who depended on Amtrak to take me from school to home to school and back again, a current fine arts organization grant writer who is already thisclose to perfoming sexual favors for a few extra dollars for the NEA, and a HUMAN BEING, I take issue with this.

Sir - actually, he doesn't deserve "Sir" - HEY YOU, that's enough now.

17th Floor

I spent last night posting on various politicians' FB walls about my raging slut problem, and just WHAT ever should I do, since God seemed to busy with the economy, the environment and the Middle East to answer my questions...

While ultimately this accomplishes nothing, it felt damned good.

D.@twitter

@17th Floor Hah YEAH! I enjoyed posting this on Ryan McDougle's facebook wall:
"Hey Ryan! I would call you Senator McDougle, but since you seem to be really familiar with my reproductive system and its workings, we really should be on a first name basis. Anyway. Wow. This is GREAT news! Say, since you've obviously done SO MUCH research about women's reproductive health, maybe you could help me out here...do you have any tips for getting menstrual blood to be less chunky? Passing blood clots is more painful, so it would be nice if it all just flowed out in a nice even stream. What about flow regulation? I'm tired of my toilet water looking like a sacrificial site! If you know what I mean (and I know you do!)."

17th Floor

@D.@twitter Lurrrv it:)

olivebee

Gah, I went to bed last night after watching Rachel Maddow, who showed little victory speeches from each of the GOP candidates after yesterday's elections. Trying to fall asleep whilst full of blood-boiling rage is not easy. Now I wake up and read this shit. I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the fact that these people (Romney, Gingrich, Santorum) ARE SO POPULAR. Where did human society go wrong in history that people have such a lack of compassion/awareness/civility?

wharrgarbl

@olivebee They're not really "popular" so much as they're "popular amongst the seething remnants the GOP hasn't driven from their halls with 10 years of this same bullshit."

olivebee

@wharrgarbl True...but given the numbers, there are A TON of those seething remnants.

wharrgarbl

@olivebee A lot of them are very old and will die soon, especially if the current crop of lunatics gets their way and kills Social Security and Medicare?

Ophelia

@wharrgarbl On that note, maybe we SHOULD vote for Romney.

Better to Eat You With

@olivebee There aren't that many people showing up in most of these primaries (only the extremists in some states), and I don't believe for a minute the polls that show the GOP dudes neck-and-neck with Obama. This shit makes good TV and gets news orgs a lot of clicks online, but I don't actually think it has a chance in hell of happening. *Crosses fingers and squeezes eyes closed.*

Hello Dolly

@olivebee I was listening to an NPR segment Tuesday where a lady from Alabama (?) was saying how she's a Christian and our country needs to get back to Christianity, then another woman interviewed said we all just need to pray, and there was definitely some rage/head-wall-bashing from me. As a practicing Catholic/Christian, I feel a great need to apologize for these people.

olivebee

@Better to Eat You With Yeah that's what I keep telling myself ("There's NO WAY people are this dumb!" "There's no WAY they'll beat Obama!") But there's a very reactionary backlash to having had Obama in office for four years, so I'm not resting on any laurels just yet. Not to mention the large number of people who will vote on party lines no matter how extreme the candidate is (or how much he aligns with their views). "Well, anything's better than a Democrat!"

dj pomegranate

@Better to Eat You With I agree with you. In my mind, there's no way any of the Grand Ol' Party candidates are going to convince that crucial chunk of independent/centrist voters that all their Crazy Right Wing Bluster was actually just kind of a joke. But then I remember how stupid people are and how many people vote against their interests and it makes me scared.

H.E. Ladypants

@Spicy Bubbles Ugh. I feel you. I spend a lot of time getting freaked out, too, because while I don't think these people represent the majority of Christian religious practice in this country, (Social liberal Catholics! Anglicans! Quakers! and so forth!) by their sheer determination to bring religion back into the public sphere they become the sole voice of Christian practice in politics. Which is problematic on about a billion levels and most of all, seems to erase the legitimate religious opinions of millions who simply either want to keep those opinions out of politics or feel moved to different political opinions based on their faith.

Arg and growl. He who yells loudest gets heard most, I guess.

Faintly Macabre

@olivebee For a tiny spot of hope, I was reading Sunday's NYT this morning and there were two articles about how the Democrats/Obama are gaining support among centrist/republican women because of the whole women's health debacle. As in, women who proudly voted for Bush in 2004 are considering supporting Obama because they're so pissed off. The NYT didn't have numbers on this, but I think it makes sense that women who've long supported conservative causes would be pissed off about their party using their health/autonomy as a political scapegoat.

(Also, imo, excluding people who think Michelle Obama belongs in a kitchen, Obama's immediate family is a pretty good argument for his family values and stake in women's well-being.)

Judith Slutler

Mitt, Mitt, Mitt. Could you pander ANY harder? Like seriously, it is just so painfully obvious that this man speaks Right-Wing Lunatic as a second or third language

bean1

I'm moving to Canada.

Ophelia

@bean1 Pls. see organized escape routes upthread.

saythatscool

@bean1 Pick me up some Sweet Marie bars while you're up there, eh?

Megasus

@bean1 It's slowly becoming not much better here:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/978228--tories-in-damage-control-over-abortion-funding

bean1

@Megan Patterson@facebook Dammit. @ophelia, investigating up thread options. This is the pits, you guys.

atipofthehat

@bean1

Nanaimo bars for me, please.

anachronistique

@Megan Patterson@facebook More recently: http://www.canada.com/House+Commons+hold+abortion+related+debate+April/6296429/story.html

Megasus

@anachronistique That's the one I thought I had found! Also the whole robocall scandal. Which does nothing to convince me that the Tories didn't cheat in the last election.

Andrea K@twitter

@bean1 On the plus side, maybe we can all decamp to Montreal? They have poutine. http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Quebec+aims+soften+effects+federal+crime+bill/6294764/story.html

Megasus

@Andrea K@twitter And Montreal-style bagels. AND smoked meat. I definitely do vote for the Hairpin commune to be in Montreal.

Verity

If Canada is also looking worrying, you should decamp to the UK! (Yes, we have an awful right-wing Prime Minister, but there's not as much terrifyingly loony politics. I think.)

Megasus

@Verity But zero jobs, I have heard? Although our Hairpin commune could also be crazy self sufficient and we live in an old estate that we bought for the cheap and grow all our own food? That could be good.

Verity

@Megan Patterson@facebook Oh, yes, there is that. But you're right, a self-sufficient commune could get around that problem!

olivia

Will the Secret Service get up in my grill if I suggest we set the entire Republican party on fire?

olivebee

@olivia I told my husband last night that I would happily spend time in prison if I could punch in Rick Santorum's smug mug. And then on future job applications where they ask if you have been convicted of a crime, I'd be like "Hells yeah I was! I punched Rick Santorum in the face!"

Ophelia

@olivebee All things considered, I think the company I work for might promote me if I did that.

fondue with cheddar

@olivebee I would hire you on the spot, even if you weren't qualified.

Faintly Macabre

@olivebee This should be my new how-to-get-hired ploy.

Marzipan

The worst part is that Romney is the least bad Republican option. Santorum is batshit crazy, scary because he so absolutely BELIEVES the nuts things he says. Gingrich is a disgusting waste of a human shell-body who has no morals or humanity or decency within him. Mittens is just your garden-variety, McCain-style clueless, power-hungry, willing-to-sacrifice-all-principles, say-and-do-anything to get the presidency type.

New Hoarder

@Marzipan I voted in my state's primary, where only Romney & Paul were on the ballot. I asked my mom who to vote for, and she said Paul. My response: "Wait, is that because if he becomes president, he will be less evil, or because he is the weaker candidate?" Her answer: weaker candidate. My parents have a rich history of voting for the weaker Republican candidate in primaries.

fondue with cheddar

@New Hoarder Be careful with that. That's how one of the dorkiest kids in my school ended up prom king. Though unlike Santorum/Gingrich/Romney, he was a good guy so it was no problem. Also, prom king doesn't carry much authority.

I am absolutely TERRIFIED that one of these guys could become president.

New Hoarder

@jen325 I know, that's what I told my mom. I wanted no part in getting any of these jokers elected, but I mainly went because it was the first time my husband was eligible to vote. We weren't going to go, but my mom noted that if we wanted to be election officials he should be familar with voting, i.e. try it once. "My" guy lost, but I figured I lost either way.

EpWs

@jen325 It's also how George W. Bush got elected.

fondue with cheddar

@The Everpresent Wordsnatcher That would explain a lot.

olivebee

Is this an appropriate place to express how much it bothers me that Newt Gingrich's wife's hair DOES NOT MOVE? It's like a round, blond helmet protecting an ice cold soul.

Ophelia

@olivebee And the fact that I can't tell Cindy McCain and Callista Gingrich apart? I mean, maybe if I put them side-by-side, but...they look eerily similar to me.

ohmy

he really is trying to erase his years as govenor of massachusetts, isn't he? i really have no idea why he chose it anyways, if he wanted to be a republican president he would've been better off as govenor of pretty much anywhere else.

i was mildly amused by this race when it first started, now i'm just mildly sickened every time it's mentioned. i'm just going to watch basketball all month and ignore everything else.

New Hoarder

@ohmy It's a more extreme version of what happened to John McCain while he was campaigning. While I of course did not vote for McCain, I thought he was one of the more reasonable Repubs in recent years... until the Palin alliance happened and he turned into a back-pedaling Stepford candidate.

dj pomegranate

@New Hoarder When McCain got the nomination, I was like, what! This might actually be a difficult decision and an interesting and educational election! I respect both of these people who are running for the highest office in the land! And then Palin...just...train wreck.

ohmy

@New Hoarder The biggest problem is that out of the Palin fiasco came the Tea Party. The noms seem to think that the tea party is the majority of republicans, whereas they are merely a loud minority. by speaking to them they are alienating so many people. I know a lot of independents that are frustrated with obama and would've voted republican had a moderate risen to the top, but clearly that hasn't happened.

fondue with cheddar

@dj pomegranate Back in 2008 I had a theory that Palin got put on the ballot because they wanted a Democratic president to inherit the problems the Bush adminsitration created and get blamed for them.

EpWs

@jen325 My boyfriend is currently supporting the "Santorum is trolling everyone" theory. I'm beginning to think he's right.

New Hoarder

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sarah-palin-and-other-ignorant-candidates/2012/03/12/gIQAoOPG8R_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop

All of this is why I cling to my Entertainment Weeklys as my only true news source. =-(

Anchovy Cake

I hope he gets d*ck rot. And the only place with the cure is Planned Parenthood.

Inkling

If anyone could explain this to me, I would appreciate it!
I'm just really mad every time he's not assassinated. He's having this whole war on women, which would be a war if BOTH SIDES WERE FIGHTING, so he's basically having a say-awful-things-and-endanger-the-health-of-women without any repercussions. I mean, we all know he's really. endangering. lives. Of a bunch of people. Why doesn't anyone want to kill him yet??

Bitterblue

@Inkcrafter Because it would only turn him into a martyr. Because we're better than that. Because violence isn't the answer. Because he isn't the root of this problem, just a very ugly, stinking, rotten fruit. Because I don't own a sniper rifle.

Inkling

@Bitterblue
I dunno, sometimes it seems like it could be an answer? seems like someone could make an example of him--we wouldn't be drawing first blood at this point.
Last time there was a successful peaceful protest in Egypt, I was grossed out by how much the media grabbed it and said "peaceful protest is always the way to go!" Like they were recognizing abortion doctor hit lists and second-class citizenry and encouraging our side to just be noble and patient about it. Why are they the only ones who get to do really fucked up shit?

gtrachel

@Inkcrafter Because they are really fucked up.

thebestjasmine

@Inkcrafter Romney's not endangering the lives of anyone right now. He's not the president. I mean, I don't think you were serious, but there is nothing about him getting killed that would be good for this country, the Republican race, or anything else in the world, other than his heirs getting a lot of money.

Inkling

@all
Some days I just want to assassinate EVERYONE but thank you.

Diana

@Inkcrafter

Because there's an entire universe of difference between indirectly making life terrible for people and actually murdering them. Come on with this. Bill O'Reilly eats that kind of comment up and honestly, as well he should. That kind of rhetoric isn't acceptable in Republicans, and we shouldn't accept it either.

cwmilton

Let's all make a Hairpin Pledge to vote in November! I'm worried that without Women and the Youths, this nonsense will be voted into office via the Grouchy Olds and people-who-live-near-noisy-train-tracks.

fondue with cheddar

@cwmilton There's no way in hell I'm staying home on election day.

I do live near noisy train tracks, though. But I like it!

Ophelia

@cwmilton Yeah, we need a country-wide Hairpin GOTV effort - like, every 'Pinner calls 5 friends who might not be registered (let's say, in May), and then 5 who might be on the fence about going to the polls (in November), and makes sure they get there.

thebestjasmine

@Ophelia ALSO, especially a GOTV effort for people in battleground states. OHIO PINNERS. FLORIDA PINNERS. PLEASE VOTE OBAMA.

EpWs

@thebestjasmine Also everyone everywhere else!
(Someday we will do away with this nonsense Electoral College, but that's an argument for another thread.)

ImASadGiraffe

@cwmilton I always vote, but I live in Illinois which always goes Democrat anyway.

whizz_dumb

The more I think about, read about, and hear about the all-out attack on contraceptives the more furious I get. I am boiling over with ragey arguments (spilling on floor, incoherent) against these bigoted zealots. So I defer to this article.

whizz_dumb

And how do you feel about Men For Women's Choice?

Ophelia

@whizz_dumb I don't know if anyone else had this reaction, but the Men for Women's Choice home page made me tear up a little, in a good way. Like, Hallelujah, I KNEW you existed!

whizz_dumb

@Ophelia I was leery because, "Why is it exclusively MEN for women's choice? Like the male perspective makes it stronger or something?" But it does specifically denounce male authority pretty thoroughly.

fondue with cheddar

@whizz_dumb I think they're just trying to say, "There are men who respect you to make decisions for yourself. And we've got your back!"

Ophelia

@whizz_dumb Yeah, but i do think it's cool that they created a virtual space for men to talk about this - I think giving guys the space, vocabulary, and (for lack of a better word) theoretical framework to talk about the concepts of bodily autonomy is important, and they did a good job of making it guy-friendly without being a front for concepts of male dominance.

dj pomegranate

@whizz_dumb Unfortunately, to many people, male perspective DOES make it stronger. I refer you to this guy: "I am a man living in a culture that has more respect for a man’s voice. Somehow, when I, or other men, write about the issue of gender imbalance, the work gets more widespread attention and is more accepted by readers."

fondue with cheddar

@dj pomegranate That was great. Don't read the comments, though.

H.E. Ladypants

@jen325 Ugh. Those comments after that essay just made me want to give up on humanity all together.

fondue with cheddar

@H.E. Ladypants Right? The only good thing about it is that there aren't many comments, so I can tell myself that those are the only jerks, and the multitudes of good people just don't bother to read comments because there are always a few jerks.

dj pomegranate

@H.E. Ladypants @jen325 Yeah, people suck. There was a hullabaloo recently amongst the Good Men Project and some feminist twitter-ers, sadly, which reflected a total underestimation of white male privilege. But still, yay for feminist men!

fondue with cheddar

@dj pomegranate That was great reading. I was unaware of the term "gaslighting", but it's a good one to know because having a name for something can make it easier to recognize. I wish I'd recognized it when I was young, because that kind of treatment happened far too often.

Gaslighting also describes the way my boyfriend's ex-wife treated him. It breaks my heart to hear him denounce his feelings or ideas when he shares them with me because he's used to them being ridiculed in the same way.

HeyThatsMyBike

@whizz_dumb Yes. I just start hating everything and everyone then have to go watch videos of puppies.

whizz_dumb

@jen325 I'm still into this topic. It seems that a big part of becoming an adult, whether male or female, involves "the putting away of childish things". I like that saying.

fondue with cheddar

@whizz_dumb I like it too, but can't I please keep a few things? I promise I'll be a grownup most of the time, but I don't want to say goodbye to my blankie/teddy bear/cookies for breakfast.

Also, have you heard about this Violence Against Women Act bullshit?! I fully expect a post on this today, but I sent a request by email just to make sure.

whizz_dumb

@jen325 Yeah I read that and I was gonna post it to Fb but thought, "Damn politics being frowned upon, Hairpin better bring this up today." It might be a mistake to have the proposed bill not be true enough to the title, even though I want the additional "liberal" provisions.

Regina Rizzo@facebook

I've decided its just easier to bang my head against my desk. Cuz I'll get arrested for slapping these bitches if I leave my office.

stuffisthings

Am I the only one more infuriated by the complete lack of understanding of how the public debt works (see above) than by what are, let's be honest, standard Republican primary red-meat talking points about "wasteful" programs to cut?

redheaded&crazy

@stuffisthings Not necessarily but uh, rude.

stuffisthings

@redheaded&crazy Haha I was talking about Mitt Romney, not you!

redheaded&crazy

@stuffisthings well I do have an almost complete lack of understanding of how public debt works!

i guess it's a bigger problem for the aspiring president of the United States though...

stuffisthings

@redheaded&crazy Exactly! It's even worse when they DO understand it, but intentionally lie/misrepresent to appeal to their base.

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