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The World's Most Perfect Christmas Playlist

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Decca

So what do we agree is the plural of Wenceslas?

ohgodtheglitter

@Decca Wenceslese? Wencesli?

Cawendaw

@Decca According to Wikipedia it's a second declension noun (from "Wenceslaus") so either Wencesli or Wenceslai, I think.
Or maybe "Res Wenceslas," Kings Wenceslas?

leonstj

@Cawendaw Someone should chop all of these together and make Wencenslaw.

gobblegirl

@Cawendaw I would have thought it would be Kings Wenceslas.

Any One Ninja Plot

@gobblegirl So smart.

Cawendaw

@gobblegirl Yeah, I think you're right, my mind just went immediately to dead languages.

britishpetroleum

Even more fun if you stagger the clips, so it sounds like they're singing a round.

Any One Ninja Plot

@britishpetroleum I'm so glad I'm not the only one who did that. Caused my browser to freak out and shut down by about the sixth one, but totally worth it.

Dancercise

Mannheim Steamroller!

pterodactgirl

@Dancersize Is the best!

You'll be sorry Jo March

@Dancersize My husband loves them, but knows little about the actual band, and so calls them "Space Christmas."

dustwindbun

so you're telling us... your favorite carol is O Holy Night?
*snickers at own sarcasm*

ohgodtheglitter

Tom Jones singing Good King Wenceslas? TOM JONES SINGING GOOD KING WENCESLAS.

spoondisaster

Or you could do like me and put James Brown's Funky Christmas on repeat. I mean, if you like your yuletides funky.

E
E

@spoondisaster Santa Come Straight to the Ghetto is a holiday classic at my parent's house.

bookbike

HAHAHA I can't wait to gather my whole family 'round and have them listen to everyyy version. "The Voice" is my favorite obvi (tomjones).

CheeseLouise

I get that you have a theme going here, but no perfect holiday playlist is complete without the California Raisins claymation version of We Three Kings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTysdZ5hVo

caset

@CheeseLouise Word. My family watches that special every December, at least once. Here we come a waffling....

Four Horsemeals of the Eggporkalypse

uhh, I think I've only ever heard Hugh Grant singing this in Love Actually??

Also, I read "Christmas with Colonel Sanders" as "Christmas with Colored Singers" at first and was giving it the serious side eye.

backstagebethy

@Four Horsemeals of the Eggporkalypse Jinx I guess

tortietabbie

@Four Horsemeals of the Eggporkalypse True story: I had never heard this song before I saw Love Actually. And I still never hear it outside of that movie. Is it a regional thing?

candybeans

@tortietabbie Before Love Actually, I only knew this song as the first song you learn studying a new instrument, because it has, like, 8 notes. It seems like a British thing.

backstagebethy

Surely there's a clip somewhere of Hugh Grant singing it in Love Actually? Did I miss that one?

Hot Doom

@backstagebethy No, but we have something even better: Colonel Sanders beaming mirthfully at us from the vinyl collection time has forgotten.

gobblegirl

Before I clicked through, I assumed it was a collection of nice carols that happened to start with GKW. I said to myself "Or, you could just listen to Good King Wenceslas on repeat and be happy forever."

Edith, you read my mind.

Cawendaw

So at your carol-singing events, does the part of the page default to the highest-voiced, the youngest regardless of range, or the last to call dibs?

Edith Zimmerman

@Cawendaw At my caroling events, it's men/women.

queenofbithynia

If you're after terrified boy sopranos (YOU ARE) you want this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMGMV-fujUY

Or this boy might be even a little bit more terrified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc_Mo2KrIzw

beautifullest carol ever

Lucienne

@queenofbithynia Okay, so I cry at anything but ...

Thinking about the King's College Nine Lessons and Carols makes me weep in May.

Decca

@Lucienne If you like boy sopranos, you must watch this. It's two adorable boy choristers singing Rossini's Cat Duet, which just involves the singers meowing like kittens. It's amazing.

Jess Main@twitter

@queenofbithynia Here's my favourite version of the Cat Duet... Very funny interpretation ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tWr6ma5bQ0

Chiara Atik@twitter

Blasting this in my office right now. Everybody hates me.

redheaded&crazy

needs more mariah carey.

redheaded&crazy

@redheadedandcrazy alternately,

needs more justin bieber.

Decca

@redheadedandcrazy My absolute favourite (Mariah not Bieber). I sometimes have to force myself not to listen to it during months that aren't November - January cause it's so damn good. The harmonies! The sleigh bells! The nonsensical line about reindeers clicking!

queenofbithynia

Remember when the Stantons went caroling, and Paul played the flute, and time froze, and Will Stanton sang Good King Wencelas with Merriman, and they vanquished the Dark or whatever? What a Christmas that was.

alannaofdoom

@queenofbithynia OH OH OH and then there's the storm and they're all holed up at The Lady's manor while the Dark besieges them with the cold? Ahhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to go reread all of those books right now. Nostalgia!

(I was REALLY into them in fifth grade and I remember writing a story in class that I called "The Dark Is Rebelling" or something. No, it was totally original, why do you ask?)

Lucienne

@queenofbithynia What does Paul always say, something about the carol being written by a person who hated the flute? Good times.

queenofbithynia

@alannaofdoom But can you not even take what they do to Hawkin, even now? I can't! I can't take it at all! They were so harsh to traitors. I remember when I was wee and naive and I read someone saying that Light and Dark in Susan Cooper is order vs. chaos, not good vs. evil and I said to myself oh,I'm only a natural enemy of order, not a full-on child of evil, that's all right then.

Bittersweet

@queenofbithynia: Susan Cooper fan freakout, commencing...now.

When the Dark is rising, Six shall turn it back

Nicole Cliffe

Three from the circle, three from the track!

Bittersweet

@queenofbithynia: Hawkin is more than tragic, but calling the Black Rider a force of chaos gives him a bit too much credit, methinks.

Monkey

@queenofbithynia Best book ever ever ever.

alannaofdoom

@Bittersweet Three from the circle, three from the track
Edited because COUNTING FAIL.

@queenofbithynia Oh, Hawkin! SO HARSH. Oh, now I am sad.

CheeseLouise

@queenofbithynia I got the box set for my niece for Christmas this year. I'm kind of irrationally terrified she won't like them.

pterodactgirl

@alannaofdoom I also loved these books until I got to the end where (Spoiler Alert!) THE DREWS FORGET EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED TO THEM OVER THE ENTIRE SERIES. After that young Pterodactgirl was so irritated she never read them again, and so began a lifelong hatred of anything that ends "Powerful being erased their memories/Oh it must have just been a dream/they were in a coma the whole time." Rarg. Thinking about this still makes my inner eleven year old go, "Say WHAT?!"

queenofbithynia

@pterodactgirl I KNOW, RIGHT. I was just going to say to bittersweet above, the Light = order, not good theory doesn't really hold together at all points but I think it must have been formulated by someone who could not and would not accept that the forces of good would steal your memories

or that Merriman could be this champion of virtue when he's kind of a smug dick all the time

I also kind of hate Aslan a bit

and I hate Dumbledore a lot

down with all the fantasy patriarchs

pterodactgirl

@queenofbithynia Yes to the fantasy patriarch angst. Somewhat related sidenote: I recently read C.S. Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet trilogy, and it basically has filled me with hate for almost everything he's ever done. For instance Narnia was mildly racist/sexist, but at least everything's pretty well cloaked in allegory and I could live with it. In this though he roundly mocks his only main woman character for her aspirations to be anything more than a baby-machine, and basically brings Merlin back from the dead to teach her a lesson. Thanks so much for that Lewis. I have now renounced all my last lingering vestiges of Catholicism because you have taught me that God is opposed to my gender's free will! And of course I'd hate to take a chance on ending up the same place as you when I die.

alannaofdoom

@pterodactgirl I don't remember that upsetting me too much, maybe because they still get to remember bits of it in dreams? Also I think it makes Bran's choice much more interesting, no? I mean, to me it's less a "we couldn't figure out how to end it so... dream/snowglobe/whatever!" cop-out, and more of a way to make things ambiguous. Well, ambiguous is not quite the right word. I can't express myself today.

Well, okay: what I loved (and still love) is how heartless both the Dark and the Light ultimately are. It made me feel very grown-up and sophisticated to be reading something that wasn't simply "these people are good and these people are bad, the end." Bran has to choose between his mythical father and his friends, and he cannot have both; the Drews, if you look at it in a certain way, get used as pawns and then discarded; poor beloved Hawkin makes a human mistake and suffers for centuries.

It's really Will's story, of course, and he gets the special powers and all the exemptions because he's an Old One. But the story of the "normal" humans who get chewed up is lurking around the edges, and that always fascinated me.

And my deepest sympathies were always with the Greenwitch. Poor lonely Greenwitch down there in the dark and the quiet.

queenofbithynia

@pterodactgirl Augh but I love C.S. Lewis more than any ten of my living relatives. His faults are undeniable (and I have read all three volumes of his collected letters plus excerpts of his diary, so I know allll about all his faults, and I know he would hate me not just for being a prideful atheist American lady but for subjecting him to the "Biographical Fallacy," which is, in his case, not a fallacy at all, sorry Mr. Lewis.)

but having said that, I never took to the Space trilogy at all. I can deal with the nutso third one with the bear and the sadistic lesbians and the decapitated heads, but Perelandra with the stupid subordinate alien Eve was just awful.

Lucienne

@pterodactgirl Ursula Le Guin has a good take-down-disguised-as-a-review of Lewis - I can't remember the name, but it's in Dancing on the Edge of the World. (She also talks about why Tolkien's better.) I loved Narnia as a kid, but as soon as I got to Screwtape Letters and then Mere Christianity (which I really think verges on sophistry in spots) I dropped him.

pterodactgirl

@queenofbithynia I mean, yes he's a very good writer/smart person, etc., and I certainly can't name ten of my relatives who have done as much to provide me with childhood joy, but I just really can't get over the misogyny. I'm sure I'll read my kids Narnia because it's great in so many ways, but whenever I find out someone (however admirable as an artist) doesn't view ladies/minorities/queer folk as real equal people, well, it makes me sad? Womp womp.

I actually didn't mind Perelandra quite as much though, because I thought the way he wrote Evil Weston was just SO CREEPY and interesting. Maybe I focused so much on that I didn't get quite as squicked out by Eve?

@alannaofdoom I think one of the reasons it actually bugged me as much as it did was that she does treat the kids in such a grown-up serious way through most of the books, letting them make their own decisions and take the consequences, etc. Then at the end she takes it all away because they aren't magical? It just sort of seemed like a huge fuck-you to the protagonists (and by extension the reader) to, after all they'd endured, basically say, hey you don't count/go back to being a silly kid.

Sorry if I'm being a hater! I really did like them a lot up until that point. I also for the most part love Narnia. I will be quiet now.

pterodactgirl

@Lucienne Yes! I love LeGuin. I will look for this. Also, you may already know this, but Philip Pullman basically wrote the His Dark Materials series as a refutation of Lewis' Narnia, and they are fantastic.

Apparently I will not be quiet quite yet. Nothing brings me out of lurking-mode as quickly as YA fiction discussions.

Bittersweet

@queenofbithynia: Let's agree to disagree on fantasy patriarchs. As a Christian I rather enjoy seeing echoes of my Creator in various works for fiction.

Thanks for sticking up for Lewis. I'm always taken aback by the vitriol his works inspire...not to mention the expectation that his values should stack up to ours, despite the fact that he was born in the Victorian era. I loved Perelandra - the chapter when Ransom realizes why he's been sent there is amazing. Agree, though, that the last book is a little over the top. He was under the influence of a friend who wrote fairly sensationalistic fiction (forgetting his name right now) so that book always leaves me a bit incredulous.

Bittersweet

@pterodactgirl: You might check back on Lewis' treatment of women in his various works at some point. There are some really strong female characters...and this from a man who had a fairly jaundiced view of our sex from life experiences.

There is a terrific biography of Lewis that came out a little while ago, called The Narnian by Alan Jacobs, that takes an unflinching look (decades-long affair with best friend's mother? Holy crap!) at his life and works.

Bittersweet

@pterodactgirl: Also, His Dark Materials is really cool (the daemons deserve props by themselves) but the third book really spiraled out of control by the end, I thought.

Lucienne

@pterodactgirl His Dark Materials actually did nothing for me, perhaps because I'd already read Seaward (Susan Cooper). I recommend Seaward, though!

Also, back to TDIR, I tend to see the ending as bestowing free will (admittedly in a dichotomous way that bugs me). Like, now they are free to be people! But before, that was impossible. And if they remembered all that they'd gone through, then I don't know how anything but despair would be possible. This way, they get to start over in authenticity. (But not perfectly.)

queenofbithynia

@Bittersweet Charles Williams? I have a couple of his books lying around but I never got far with him & the picture of him you get in reading about the Inklings has never appealed to me, all this mystic chivalry business. Lewis did love him though.

It's true about his times, but I think that is most true in the more minor and inconsequential ways -- the schoolboy slanginess, the particular flavor of the Orientalism, the worries about scientists, all that stuff is very much of his era. But both the genius and the really grotesquely unpleasant stuff is very personal and I think very different from a lot of his contemporaries. His misogyny -- I don't think it's possible to successfully argue that it's not there, or that it's typical of anything but him -- is so different from Tolkien's misogyny, just for example. Lewis's fear of powerful, sexual women, just to pick a cliche out of the air, is so undisguised and even unashamed -- his scary women are really honest-to-god scary, and I like that a lot. People like to bring up all the people of his time who were much more feminist, which is easy enough, but I think it's more interesting to look at how weird his sexism was in contrast with the other kinds that were around.

What he doesn't do is ever really step outside his own experiences; his conversion narrative, his loss of his mother, his S&M-y sexual vibe, are the only ones you ever get in his stories, rewritten in various ways -- he doesn't imagine three-dimensional characters who are very different from either him or the way he imagines his enemies to be, so learning a lot of biographical detail is both very illuminating but also not. But exploration of three-dimensional humanity in all its diversity is not really what I'm most concerned with in fiction, so I don't mind, I love him.

pterodactgirl

@Bittersweet I'm sorry if my posts came across as my hating on Lewis because of his religion. My comment about renouncing my Catholicism was mainly meant to be facetious. What I actually really don't like though is the way in which Lewis uses his religion to justify misogyny? Putting God in your work of fiction only to have him say things on the order of, "Women are not fitted for intellectual pursuits. Your highest purpose is to bear children and resign your wills to your husbands." is something I'm not ever going to get on board with, ever, ever. It bothers me more because he is a good writer and he does have some strong female characters in his works. One of the things I remember thinking at the end of the Space trilogy is that I'm very glad I didn't read them as a child, since I think they would have deeply upset me. (More than they already clearly did.) I am not as well-informed about his personal life as you and @queenofbithynia though, so perhaps I should check out a biography.

Totally agree about the daemons in HDM, but I actually really did like the ending?

@Lucienne I am clearly going to have to reread these books. And I'll have to try Seaward too!

Bittersweet

@queenofbithynia: Oh, I agree that there's a powerful current of misogyny running through Lewis' works. It just doesn't seem to bug me for some reason. And some of his female characters are really interesting and multi-faceted. Jill Pole was always my favorite person in the Narnia books, even more so than Lucy, because she was so flawed (like me).

Lewis' relationship with his BFF's mom was something I'd never heard about, and it's really bizarre. He had a decades-long sexual affair with this woman, and housed her and her daughter when he lived at Oxford, until she died. And she apparently treated him very poorly, made fun of his religious beliefs and was incredibly demanding. Love is weird.

queenofbithynia

@Bittersweet About the Moore Thing -- that is, how to put this diplomatically, not the way I read it. :) I think there's been a lot of bizarre biographical overreaction against the creepy sycophancy of Walter Hooper et al. but despite all efforts to make his relationship with Jane Moore into something sinister I just don't find it that weird. He had mother issues so he latched onto a kindly older woman who took him in and mothered him; QED. Everyone assumes they slept together and so do I, but I doubt it lasted for very many years. I don't think her son was his BFF; they didn't meet until the war and supposedly swore a mutual pact that whichever one survived would look after the dead one's widowed single parent.

His brother and father resented the fuck out of her for taking his attention and time & his brother wrote about her as a stupid, irrational old bitch, but he's as biased a source as you can get & Lewis's own letters and diaries don't bear it out except as everyone is aggravated by parent figures they live with. She doesn't come across as any kind of tyrannical person and nor does CSL come across as in love with her or in her thrall.

The problem I have with analyzing it is that a lot of the biographical reports come from people every bit as misogynist as Lewis was and sometimes more -- there's a thing in the horrorshow A.N. Wilson biography that asserts that the fact that Lewis helped out around the house with chores and housework was clearly because it appealed to Lewis's latent masochism to be treated in such a feminizing and degrading manner. I mean he states this as a fact, because the idea of a man lowering himself to do the manual labor of women and participate as an equal in a household can only be explained as the satisfaction of some unnatural fetish, right? And therefore JM must have been a sadistic harridan or some such thing.

...I can't shut up about this, I'm sorry. I'll stop!

Bittersweet

@queenofbithynia: Are you kidding? This is awesome, and why I love the Hairpin so much.

The Jacobs biography admits that Warnie was very biased about Jane Moore, but talks quite a bit about her outlook and how they got along. My guess is that she was somewhere between the total life-destroying witch and the saint - just like the rest of us.

KatnotCat

The staggering difference between my reaction to finding out there was an REM version and my reaction listening to it may have crushed out all my Christmas spirit.

finguns

@KatnotCat Holy cow, so agree. I was expecting a new gem to add to my supercool holiday mix, but now I think my ears are broken.

feartie

I found an amazing version of Gaudete with crazy drums...unfortunately lost it to the mists of the internet. Although This is a nice version if a bit mellow.

leonstj

This is amazing. It reminds me of the other Saturday when I got drunk at home and posted every single version of "Walking in Memphis" (a city I have not walked in for nearly ten years, and only a couple times for a few hours each) to Facebook.

I have like, 8 friends left who have not blocked all of my status updates.

Decca

@leon.saintjean I think I'd enjoy being your Facebook friend.

Monkey

I get that this is probably supposed to be a joke but no for real this is the greatest Christmas carol of all time except for Fairytale of New York.

leonstj

@Monkey your 'except for' is inarguably true. I will now make my first listen of the season to this.

(3 minutes later)

Oh. no. I forgot that listening to The Pogues makes me want to drink so much I fall down and get my teeth knocked out.

Monkey

@leon.saintjean Well if Christmas isn't the right time for that what is?

hulia

@Monkey Can we agree that that is, indeed, a Christmas song? I'm always happy to listen year-round, but at some (obviously drunken) point got into an (obviously drunken) dispute with someone who kept saying it wasn't a Christmas song at all, it just mentioned Christmas in it. I don't buy it.

Decca

@hulia Surely the mention of Christmas means that something is a Christmas song...? I hope you won that drunken dispute. It's about emigration and regret and failing relationships and the Irish experience in New York as well, sure, but all of this things in the wider Christmas context.

Edith Zimmerman

@Monkey Not a joke!!

leonstj

@Decca - This is like when people try to tell me that just because it wasn't made by Rankin/Bass "Die Hard" isn't a Christmas Movie.

queenofbithynia

@hulia This is like the time they tried to tell me Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening wasn't about Santa Claus.

Monkey

@Edith Zimmerman <3 <3 <3

laurel

@Monkey As far as I can tell, it's the only Christmas song. That and "I'll be home for Christmas."

Decca

I'm the type of idiot who has three separate Christmas playlists on my iTunes. One for your common-or-garden Christmas song, one for "alternative" Christmas songs and one for those heartbreaking, gloomy Christmas songs.

hulia

@Decca I fully support multiple Christmas playlists! But I might not be a good gauge, because I am the type of idiot who forgets to set her holiday songs not to be included when shuffling, and then ends up listening to rufus wainwright Christmas songs in May.

CheeseLouise

@Decca I have a separate British one too, that's where I keep Mary's Boy Child (Boney M version) and Merry Xmas Everybody (Slade, my all-time favorite Christmas song not joking).

britishpetroleum

@CheeseLouise Oh my god, Mary's Boy Child is great, and the video...just fantastic stuff.

Decca

@CheeseLouise While I fully support "Mary's Boy Child", I have to point out that Boney M are German/Jamaican...?

ilikemints

@CheeseLouise Boney M! I think I spent half of 2003 listening to Rasputin exclusively.

Decca

@ilikemints I took a class on Tolstoy/Dostoevsky last year and every single time I had an assignment for that class I would gear up by listening to "Rasputin". But the Cossachok he danced really wunderbar...

sarah girl

@hulia Tell me more about these Rufus Wainwright Christmas songs :O

hulia

@Sarah H. It's from one of the Maybe This Christmas albums, which I love. Well, but for the absolutely horrid Avril Lavigne version of O Holy Night, but I deleted that one from itunes, which solved that problem quite well.

CheeseLouise

@Decca I guess I meant British in the sense of #1 on Christmas Day. So in many cases not British at all apparently.

Tuna Surprise

Bing Crosby owns this carol. This and Mele Kalikimaka.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEvGKUXW0iI

leonstj

@Tuna Surprise And never forget Bing + Bowie "Little Drummer Boy"!

Bittersweet

@Tuna Surprise: Der Bingle owns most of the Christmas carols, except for those where Ella Fitz takes top honors.

(And now I've somehow morphed into my grandpa...)

Tuna Surprise

@Bittersweet
You will have morphed into my dad if you threaten to beat us like Bing Crosby's kids if we don't settle down! Ahh, Christmas memories.

planforamiracle

@Tuna Surprise I WAS LITERALLY JUST LISTENING TO MELE KALIKIMAKA WHILE READING THIS! I love that song so much. The Andrews Sisters are so so awesome :) And obv Bing is pretty good too.
@Bittersweet I am, evidently, also a geriatric in my xmas music taste. Ella Wishes You A Swinging Christmas is in my top rotation this time of the year. That and the Nutcracker suite...

Cossette729

@planforamiracle One of my favorite Christmas tracks from childhood is an outtake of Bing and The Andrews Sisters recording Jingle Bells: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5c6YuZRRhQ
This was included on a Frank Sinatra/Bing Crosby/Judy Garland Christmas compilation that my mom loved.

DandelionTacy

@Cossette729 Is it the one that has him singing "Jongle bells, jingle bells, holy je-sus christ?" I love that!

I too am a grandma when it comes to Christmas music, if it was recorded before 1955, I've probably got it on one of my playlists. One of my favorite finds was this horribly awesome Julie Andrews Christmas CD. It's got more harpsichords than I ever thought possible.

Cossette729

@DandelionTacy YES.

Lucienne

Is this a good place to admit that I secretly kind of love "Last Christmas" and "Baby It's Cold Outside?" I'm sorry, world. I'm sorry.

Decca

@Lucienne It drives me nuts that George Michael pronounces "gave" as "gev" in every chorus of Last Christmas.

leonstj

@Lucienne - this is the place to openly admit that you completely love those songs because they are FUCKING AWESOME. This post made me kick off my carol music.

The Ray Charles / Betty Carter version of "Baby It's Cold Outside" has made me completely unable to have normal adult relationships, I try to make basically everything into a scene that would work with that song (even though the plan is basically borderline date rape, I ignore those parts and focus on the nice stuff. If you have to ask me "Hey, what's in this drink?" the only surprising answer will be Peychaud's Bitters).

dustwindbun

@leon.saintjean @Lucienne oh god "Baby It's Cold Outside" drives me nuts. SO DATE RAPEY. NOT OK.
But "Last Christmas" is just fine by me. I learned to deal with it, and all that is George Michael in the Wham! era thanks to my boyfriend, who loves "Careless Whisper" and is every stereotype of a fabulous gay man except for the being gay part (yes I checked).

Lucienne

@leon.saintjean I am longing for a gender-reversed version of "Baby It's Cold Outside."

Also, I always rationalize "Hey what's in this drink" the same way. "Oh, it's just - you're probably used to Manhattans with rye, I guess?" Or, "St. Germain, that's why it's so good." Like, she's asking for the recipe, okay? I mean, it's from an Esther Williams movie after all.

dustwindbun

@Lucienne but he's also refusing to take her home! he's trying to get her drunk, and refusing to take her home. CREEPY. Esther Williams or not, still creepy.

leonstj

@dustwindbun - I like to think of "Baby It's Cold Outside" as actually not at all date-rapey really, even though it sounds that way to modern ears.

My interpretation is that, due to the social mores of the age, the woman in the song has to play coy. She total wants to get down, but she knows that "Good Girls Don't". I mean, she wants to go cuz of her mother, her father, the neighbors, her brother & suspicious sister and vicious maiden auntie. It's all play-acting, so that she gets to save face, and Ray/Deano/whoever is giving her the snow as a convenient out as well. I like to think of the song not as seduction, but as the foreplay - they both know it's going to happen, they're just playing around and building up the fun.

So, yeah. I definitely put way too much thought into this.

Lucienne

@dustwindbun You are right! I absolutely agree with you. I'm just saying, I like the song anyway.

@leon.saintjean Your interpretation is the reason I sometimes posit a version where despite what she says, she is the aggressor. Believe me when I say that I recognize all the problem with this! ALL OF THEM. Even I am looking at myself like, "ew, that is gross, did you learn nothing from Beauvoir." But the song taps into a part of my id, I guess.

leonstj

@Lucienne Red Skelton's got you covered!

Lucienne

@leon.saintjean OMG, I totally forgot about the reprise! I haven't seen the movie in ages.

Now, can you tell me ... did I hallucinate the Ella Fitzgerald/Sarah Vaughn recording of this song? Was that just a beautiful dream?

dustwindbun

@Lucienne @leon.saintjean I always want to hear it this way too, and I'm sure that was how it was intended, but the last few years I just can't hear anything but creepy, thanks to my anxiety/paranoia problems getting worse. ANXIETY, WHY YOU RUIN CHRISTMAS?

leonstj

@Lucienne - Not sure, but there's an AMAZING "In a Sentimental Mood" duet of theirs, totally worth poking around to find.

DandelionTacy

@Lucienne There's a switched up version from Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS that has Alan Cumming and Liza Minnelli singing it.

I still think the other creepiest song is "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus" for sure. It freaked me out when I was a kid.

Elvis Costello's Spectacles

When I saw the title of this post I hoped it was a new Rich Santos offering. :(

Decca

Aimee Mann's Christmas album, anyone? Especially "Calling on Mary" which is so gorgeous.

callheralaska

Confession: When I was kid, I had a couple of Disney-branded Christmas songbooks and their accompanying tapes. I was lame back then and didn't like this song, so I'd secretly pick my nose and put the boogers on the corresponding pages in the songbook. AH! Glad I grew out of 1) not liking this perfect song and 2) putting my boogers on things other than tissues.

Bittersweet

@queenofbithynia: Let's agree to disagree on fantasy patriarchs. As a Christian I rather enjoy seeing echoes of my Creator in various works for fiction.

Thanks for sticking up for Lewis. I'm always taken aback by the vitriol his works inspire...not to mention the expectation that his values should stack up to ours, despite the fact that he was born in the Victorian era. I loved Perelandra - the chapter when Ransom realizes why he's been sent there is amazing. Agree, though, that the last book is a little over the top. He was under the influence of a friend who wrote fairly sensationalistic fiction (forgetting his name right now) so that book always leaves me a bit incredulous.

planforamiracle

So you're supposed to play them all at once, right?

Spicymustard

You totally forgot the cutest one: http://youtu.be/nObR-f2VpQU

naomz@twitter

Really fun retro holiday album from Stella Artois. Download for free here http://bit.ly/uvANti

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