Homewrecking, Personal Scratching, and "I Love You"
There’s this Other Dude. Other Dude and I get along quite well — we can talk about life and feelings and share an absurd amount of interests/values — we're in the same social group, so I see him at least a few times a week. He's also super-good-looking and tells me fairly regularly he considers me to be super-good-looking, and we've maybe even consummated our mutual attraction once, which we both decided was a mistake. We're really compatible in a lot of important ways, and if it weren't for one problem I think I'd really be into him, even more so than guys I've had long relationships with. The problem: He's had a long-distance girlfriend the entire time I've known him.
I feel pretty bad about being the counterparty to these shenanigans, but it really does seem like he's either checked out of the relationship or is scared to take a risk, because every single mutual friend wants to know why the hell he keeps acting like we're dating (but without the sex, unfortunately) and won't break up with her. I'm not sure if he even realizes that it's totally apparent to everyone but him that he's into me.
We've talked about the fact we like one another, but it doesn't seem like he wants to break up with her, and furthermore, I don't want to be the one to try to get him to. That's a lot of pressure for a faux-lationship to take, and I don't want to be a rebound, because although I'm loath to admit it, I do actually care about him. So I'm kind of backed in a corner of either being a little hypocritical or being a homewrecker. In a perfect world, he'd break up with her on his own and whatever happens with us happens, but it's been a while and I don't know if he will any time soon, and I have a feeling that in a situation like this, an earnest talk about how I feel for him wouldn't help matters at all.
Should I just move on and try to cut him off? He pretends to not be jealous but then, a few beers deep, will act out if he figures out I'm interested in another guy by either being really harsh and making fun of him or getting weirdly handsy. Or should I just kind of keep him around, set boundaries, and hope he grows up sometime soon? I don't think he's intentionally jerking me around, I just think he's kind of clueless and a little immature. Help?
Walk away. You’ve got a nice sort of tension there with Other Dude. And I’m sure it’s thrilling, but obviously not so thrilling that it’s unmanageable. The yearning is piquant but not actually threatening to your heart and your sanity. Which you seem to know! As do your friends.
I mean, you fucked him. And that wasn’t enough to pierce the veil, to get him to open up to you and tell you how you suspect he might really feel about you? That means that he’s not really feeling it. Certainly not enough to deep-six this long-distance thing. Plus, does his girlfriend know that he sleeps with other women? Is that part of their deal? It’s OK if it is, but not OK if it isn’t. Why pine after a guy who's willing to step out on his girlfriend? I'm not even persuaded that cheating makes him a terrible, awful person — especially if he decided, after sleeping with you, that he wanted to be with you instead and owned up to his mistake to everyone involved — but he knows he could date you (or at least sleep with you) if he wanted. He doesn’t.
The only corner you’re backed into is one you’ve made for yourself, because better to be stuck in an intractable situation than actually deal with the pain of rejection, right? There’s absolutely nothing immature about moving on if you just do it and don’t rub it in his face. If he realizes after you’re dating someone else that he made a mistake, then maybe you can accept an apology or sincere supplication and give him another chance. (But come on, that’s not going to happen.)
I think if you take a look at what you wrote you’ll see — and pardon the armchair psychology here, but this is the labor with which A Dude has been tasked — that you’ve troweled a lot of complexity onto a situation that isn’t that complex at all. Seems to me that you know that you should leave Other Dude to his own devices but that it’s safer for you to feel slighted but patient. Fuck that noise.
Why does my roommate's BF (who I guess is also my roommate, but I don't want to admit that degree of closeness to him) scratch himself in front of me? While I eat? How do I make it stop? I know this isn't your usual relationship type question, but please help!
Also, they're terrible for each other — more him for her, but I'm not going to be all holier-than-thou and not own that my friend has Faults. It's been three years, and at first she was all "my parents hate him, but they just don't know him like I do," but now we think she knows that NONE of her friends like him (he's a nice enough person, but terribly immature and annoying, and does not have friends of his own). Also, their relationship borders on the abusive at times — not physical, thank god, but overly controlling in lots of little ways. It's gotten to the point that she never does anything without him, not because they're SOOO IN LOOOVE, but because he'll throw tantrums (and yes, tantrum is the right word, even though he is 30) about how "it's not fair" and she’s "so rude" that she go someplace other than work without him. So she takes him along with her like she's Teen Mom in order to avoid a fight.
So I guess this is relationship-y, but not my relationship. How do I get her to see that this needs to stop before he does something crazy like propose? If you can't answer that, will you at least tell me how to get him to stop scratching his balls in front of me while I eat? It's not the kind diet plan I was looking for.
It feels *so* good to scratch your balls. Balls are a little sensitive purse of skin that sit in a dank cloth prison all day, despite having evolved to swing freely in the dry breeze of an African treetop. Considering their circumstance, it’s a miracle they don’t scream and run their little tin cup against the inside of our zippers demanding a walk in the yard more often.
But decorum. Anything more than an idle scratch on an arm (which I feel like is sort of sexy when a man does it?) in front of anyone but his partner is gross. Human, but gross. There’s a whole argument to made about what this says about how we deal with each other’s bodies, especially now that there’s little need for pristine hygiene in the age of modern medicine and whatever, but I’m going to give you this one, especially because I can think of few things more obnoxious than the image you’ve painted in my head of this guy in tatty sweatpants just going to town on his testicles while you’re trying to eat your cereal which he has psychically infested with pubic hairs.
He’s your roommate now, though, whether you asked for him or not, so you really only have two choices over which you have complete control: shut up and take it or shut up and move out. I really want to say you can talk to your roommate about this guy, tell her that she’s dating a disgusting jerkface, and maybe you should do that once you’ve decided that you’re willing to move out if she doesn’t dump him — it’s worth a shot! — but at the end of the day you’re roommates, which are friendships that seem very intimate but are often willfully held at balls’ distance because having someone up in your business so literally every day is tough. Many of us spent years living with people we happily no longer talk to; maybe this is going to happen to you here, too.
So you can talk to her about the fact that her boyfriend’s a lump if you really feel like it would help her. But don’t do it until you have enough money saved up for a deposit on a studio, because if she starts resenting you for getting up in her relationship, for judging her, then you’re going to want to get out with a quickness.
And the next time you’re about to chonk into a bowl of Sebaceous Snacks, just tell this guy to stop scratching himself. Maybe he doesn’t notice he’s doing it? Either way, you have every right to say — out loud, casually but forcefully — that he’s being gross. Throw in a “dude” so he knows you’re not secretly coming onto him. (I know, but just trust me on this one.)
So, this is a weird thing. A little backstory: I've been with my boyfriend officially for almost nine months, which to me isn't that long. We're both students in our waning years of undergrad on the East Coast. He wants to move across the country after graduation. I understand this, since it's where his field of expertise is, where he'll be able to find the most work, blah blah blah. He's going to end up there eventually with or without me. He's been really pushing me to think about coming with him, which I totally will once it gets closer to the time at which I'll have to make an actual life-changing decision. But here's the thing. He's talking (really seriously, like convincing me how much I'd love living with him and being kind of pushy about it) about moving across the country together and living together and all this stuff … but he hasn't told me he loves me. I know he loves me (he's very affectionate and would never never cheat and is all in all just way too nice to me), but he won't say it. So how can he be talking about something as serious as moving across the country together if he can't just tell me those three little words? ARGH.
Jesus Christ, lady. Tell him exactly what you just told me: “You want me to move cross country but you haven’t ever said that you love me.” Then say *nothing.* You’ll get your three words lickity split.
Sometimes people say they wish that there were other words for love in English, because in other languages it’s impossible to have relationship problems, I guess? But I really like how we use the same word to describe the swirling quasar of emotion we feel for our wives as we do to describe the way we feel about good pastrami. It’s a present reminder of how feeble language can be when trying to express what it feels like to love and yet how amazing it is that the three most treacly and bankrupt words in the language can, when said by the right person, explode a heart into a star.
I think people hold off on saying ‘I love you’ because they’re afraid of what it means, which is so dumb, because what people should really be afraid of is what it continues to mean. ‘I love you’ is a threshold. If he’s been holding back because he’s afraid of what it might mean or he was saving it for a special occasion, maybe you guys need to have a lot of long talks about what it actually means to you both. Those are good conversations to have before you starting hiring moving vans.
Is it OK that I basically always touch myself/demand that my guy stimulates my clitoris during sex? I come, like, every time, but I don't know how common it is to ALWAYS require that little bit extra. My boyfriend doesn't mind but I just want to know who else is doing this, I guess? In my entire life I have only come from just the sex (without clitoral stimulation) maybe 3-5 times. Is anyone put off by this? How come people having sex in movies/TV/porn never seem to do it if it's not just me?
Yes. I don’t know what porn you’re watching, but even in that hyperreal valley of sexual athleticism, I’ve seen plenty of women touch themselves while being fucked.
Maybe some guys are put off by this, but they are wrong and you should not fuck them. There are few things better in the world than making a woman orgasm (seeing your child’s first baseball game while making a woman orgasm; watching your daughter walk down the aisle while making a woman orgasm) but any guy worth his sweaty salt knows that all women are different and that the best way to learn about how their particular body works is to shut up and watch.
Even better, I suspect more women are like you than can just get off on penetration alone, so you’re fine. Promise promise promise. Never think of it again. Go forth and have multiples.
What was the best sex you ever had? And why was it so good? I'd be curious to hear about this and am using the anonymity thing to ask the question that I'd pretty much like to ask to every dude I've ever met.
I woke up this morning from a dream in which someone showed me a picture of my ex driving a Jeep. I knew the Jeep belonged to her roommate’s boyfriend. I knew this meant that my ex was now sleeping with her roommate’s boyfriend. And in my dream, I pushed my way out of the strange hotel lobby cocktail party, telling my friends on the way out that I was going to go murder both my ex and Jeep Dickless.
Then I was awake and not ashamed enough, so I went to her Facebook page to check if I was some sort of oracle. I’m not, unless you count thumbing through her recent pictures looking for clues being able to divine the past.
The sex with her was the best sex I ever had. All of it. And it wasn’t just because I loved her enough to still be torn from an otherwise very restful sleep with anger and jealousy and resentment years after I last spoke with her, but because it was all that and dirty and desperate and silly and innocent all at once, too, the kind of sex where you almost feel guilty about it not being your first time but you’re also so happy you know what you’re doing that it seems to all make sense.
I’ve also had amazing, caring sex with relative strangers. As well as amazing, hateful sex with those for whom I once felt great affection. I’m not saying that love has to be in the picture for great sex. But I think everyone knows that fucking someone you love with everything you’ve got is — if not the best thing — at least one of the best things. Plus I’m not even sure how much that state of mind is even real, which just makes it hotter.
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Solid work, new A Dude. Very solid.
"And the next time you’re about to chonk into a bowl of Sebaceous Snacks . . ."
Not cool, Dude. I'm eating lunch over here!
Oh, Dude. You are a good Dude. That is all.
Your answer to the last question SO GIVES ME HOPE for Dudes everywhere.
"But I really like how we use the same word to describe the swirling quasar of emotion we feel for our wives as we do to describe the way we feel about good pastrami. It’s a present reminder of how feeble language can be when trying to express what it feels like to love and yet how amazing it is that the three most treacly and bankrupt words in the language can, when said by the right person, explode a heart into a star."
This.
That put me in mind of that old George Carlin chestnut: "Griddle cakes, pancakes, hotcakes, flapjacks: why are there four names for grilled batter and only one word for love?"
In fact, that whole response was really pretty good. I think I got a piece of dust in both my eyes…
@boy: I know it's a quote but I'm having another one of my Sopranos moments over here and am busily yelling in my mind "JOHNNYCAKES!! JOHNNYCAKES!!" (Also "HOECAKES!! HOECAKES!!" but that's not a Sopranos thing.)
I've had the flapjacks for a lady before.
This Dude is the best Dude. For reaaaal.
I am enlightened…
"It feels *so* good to scratch your balls. Balls are a little sensitive purse of skin that sit in a dank cloth prison all day, despite having evolved to swing freely in the dry breeze of an African treetop. Considering their circumstance, it’s a miracle they don’t scream and run their little tin cup against the inside of our zippers demanding a walk in the yard more often."
Yes. Everything makes a lot more sense now.
"Tell him exactly what you just told me: “You want me to move cross country but you haven’t ever said that you love me.” Then say *nothing.* You’ll get your three words lickity split."
….ooooooorr he'll hem and haw and act weird, and he may be an awesome person etc etc, but if he can't spill these words (and what they mean) to you at this point, when he's talking about moving cross country, then it doth not bode well for the long term. IF that's the case (not saying it will be, but it's a distinct possibility) then my recommendation would be a cease-and-desist on all moving related discussions.
I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I have to say – the response to question 1 is so good. Because a very similar situation happened to me, and even though he was leading me on etc. etc., I finally came to the realization that this Dude pointed out ("but he knows he could date you (or at least sleep with you) if he wanted. He doesn’t.") and even though the process of realizing that totally sucked, it made things so much better.
Agreed. And since other dude is actively sabotaging her attempts to find someone else, he sounds like an ego-threatened jerk.
Totally true. At least my Other Dude didn't do that. But also we didn't hang out with other people hardly ever so I guess he didn't get the chance?
The response to question 1 is so good because it is so applicable to many things. So many of our issues are created by our own design, that I like to remember to do a self check whenever a question comes up. "Have I created the situation in my mind that I want an answer to? (i.e. Do I already know the answer?)"
Dude. You nailed it.
Also, yes. The inadvertent arm scratch is sexy (as is the back of the neck scratch, as long as either isn't frantic), and I thought I was the only one who thought so.
the ones that break my heart are the 'is it ok…and/when/to make me come?" the answer is always yes. need to stand on your head? do it. sound like two howler monkeys in death grapple? fine. imagine sting with his 20-year-old hair? great. and if someone has a problem with that/these, then that person probably shouldn't be the one you choose to help you get there.
I've heard that something like 75% of women can't come from vaginal penetration alone. None of the ladies I know well enough to talk about these things with can get off without touching themselves or having someone else touch them. It's not shown that way in porn and movies because of The Male Gaze and misogyny, etc., etc.
I prefer to think of it as 75% of men don't have the proper equipment to make a woman come from vaginal penetration alone. I mean, why blame the woman when we can blame the man?!?
You're funny, Jolie. I like that about you.
It just seems silly for all of us women to be sitting around feeling inadequate when in reality the problem is that the average weenus is just too small to get the jerb done on its own.
Hmm…I recall certain "size queen" comments that lead me to believe you might have a skewed perspective on this issue.
I may print this exchange out and frame it.
@jolie: If what you're saying is true, that the average penis is insufficient to bring the average vagina to orgasm, then it's not his penis that's the problem; the fact that the vaginal orgasm is a physiological anomaly is the problem. (It's just math that most men have an average or below-average sized penis.) You called it mythical yourself! That's not a joke, or at least the anecdotal evidence makes it appear to not be a joke.
For tenuous example, I can't slam dunk. But I don't blame the height of the hoop. And I'm not gonna blame my own height. There's no fault to be dealt. All you can do is work on your jump shot. (A jump shot, in this case, being just rubbing the clit a little. No big deal!)
"A jump shot, in this case, being just rubbing the clit a little."
I might make a sampler that says that.
@Anna: Make two, please. Thanks!
lmao…make that 3
@Anna: Start an etsy shop please.
I think I'm going to make this my life philosophy.
@boy: Absolutely! We are in agreement – I guess what I'm trying to get at is that instead of feeling bad about it, women should just be all, "Yeah it sucks dude – if you were bigger maybe you'd make me come from penetration alone, but you're not so deal with that and use your fingers or let me use mine or whatever."
I dunno. Maybe I'm the only woman who has ever felt bad about this.
there it is again- that bad feeling for no good goddamn reason. i'd like to go back in time to whatever point that thought delevoped in your head and atomize it.
@brad: It comes from legions of men making puppy eyes at me and saying "I just want to make you come" when what they really mean is "I just want to make you come with my penis."
Anotha cuppa cawfee, love?
Yeah, seriously. "Come for me"? Dude, please. Maybe if you focus on the place where orgasms come from for a second.
legion: : the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3000 to 6000 foot soldiers with cavalry
I am mad impressed right now, dude
@Anna: I wasn't kidding when I said 'many'!
upon re-reading my comment, i have realized that it might sound fucking crazy. i apologize if teh thought of someone you don't know flying through time and space to destroy potential neurosis causing moments is creepy.
@boy: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I'M A SIZE QUEEN?? The "skewed" perspective you speak of is this: I've only been with two men who have been able to produce the mythic vaginal orgasm. Both have been 9-, 10-inchers. I have had wildly great sex with many (ahem) other men, but in my experience the size is the key. I'd love to hear from other women who have achieved a vaginal orgasm because obviously I'm only one person but seriously, I've spent a GOODLY amount of time feeling badly for not being able to come from straight up sex and on reflection that seems absurd. Your (well, not your specific one) dick is the problem, not my vagina.
eeesh. is this a good thing, taking anger that you felt it was a vaginal problem and turning it into anger and blaming penises? it's terrible that you felt badly for being improperly stimulated. it certainly wasn't your fault, as you now know. but taking the same attitude and saying teh vast majority of weeners in the world are the problem seems like replacing a one damaged viewpoint with another.
@brad: I'm being ever-so-slightly tongue-in-cheek, kiddo. Though I am toying with the idea of telling every guy ever "Sorry you're dick is too small to satisfy me."
hee hee, kiddo. i am so old and crusty that phrase, applied to me, brings joy. you're not a sassy waitress at some place where the coffee comes in really heavy 70s mugs are you? i would go there.
Erhem. I am that mythical beast, the woman who comes by peen alone. That's the good news, the bad news is I can't figure out how to come by tongue or fingering? I mean, I can take care of myself digitally, but I just can't get all hot and bothered when a guy tries it. And for me, 90 per cent of the orgasm comes from my brain, and my brain seems to be entirely fixated on peen. Also, The average sized dick works just fine, Mr Coke- can did not (maybe I was just too freaked out "holy shit, I've got a thing like a can of beans inside me!!".) Just saying.
Love this Dude, too.
hmm…i can cum frm straight vag too. and as we have previously discussed, i like 'em small…Jolie…you are TOTALLY a size queen…one which most of the women are lead to believe they should be…but i think it has to do with women's gspots being in different places. mine is like literally 3 inches inside…so a peen bigger than say, 6 inches seems like total excess to me and just HURTS!
also this Dudes pic is CREEPING ME THE FUCK OUT! that mole? *shiver* ughh
I love this A Dude's no tolerance for bullshit style! The answer to the first question is the perfect tough love version of what I wish I could have said to a few friends (cough, myself) who emotionally glamoured themselves into believing a casual sex encounter meant more than it did. It only exacerbates things when all your friends nod sympathetically and tell you that, yeah, they see how much he likes you too and urge you to go for it.
lady #4: for what it's worth, i don't personally know anyone who's ever come from peen alone. but i do know lots of people who come all the time. so! math says you're not some kind of statistical weirdo. i suspect they don't show anything else in movies/porn because most movies/porn (/books/everything) are PENIS SHRINES. which is lamesauce.
I know the point of this exercise isn't to guess the Dude's identity, but I always wonder, anway, and, I'm sorry, there is just something about the aside about how arm scratching "is sort of sexy when a man does it?" that makes me think of Choire Sicha.
Sorry to the real Choire Sicha about the imaginary Choire Sicha in my head who is into guys who scratch themselves.
(It is sexy when men scratch their arms! What is that???)
Heh, well, as with many of the Dudes, I do in fact know this Dude! But he and I are very different animals, though I think he's terrific. (AND ALSO GOOD WITH THE ADVICE!) I would never pose as ask a Dude because all my answers would be like "1. Your boyfriend is gay and 2. Lighten up and leave him."
Which, if you have any problems, try that?
"(It is sexy when men scratch their arms! What is that???)"
apparently, you are doing it wrong. as am i. i have never recieved amorous glances, let alone comments, after scratching myself. only looks that indicate i should bathe more.
@brad +1
oops. now, due to over-commentage, it seems as though you are +1ing my cat/ass comment, which you didn't, and shouldn't be.
He's got a really big tongue
It rolls way out
Snaking around in the club
It slicks you down
Scratching his face like a bum
He pulls you back
is this about cats? no? a fellow licking a dance club? an ass in a dance club? that doesn't seem sanitary.
It's Liz Phair!
(probably not sanitary)
Oh, it's totally sexy. It's the kind of casual almost-sloppiness about it. Like when a guy's untucked shirt kind of hitches up over his ass a little? Unless that one's just me.
Man scratching is analogous to gal hair swishing and other very mild forms of showing off one's tailfeather, so minor that they're actually mostly subconscious in nature, in my opinion. Very subtle, very vague line between 'sexy scratch' and 'itchy scratch'.
Whoops. Sebaceous Snacks.
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"Maybe some guys are put off by this, but they are wrong and you should not fuck them."
Hells to the yeah.
the next time i have a problem, im going to ask a Dude to help solve it. sage advice!
"the kind of sex where you almost feel guilty about it not being your first time but you’re also so happy you know what you’re doing that it seems to all make sense"
I love this dude!
"Seems to me that you know that you should leave Other Dude to his own devices but that it’s safer for you to feel slighted but patient."
Holy balls, the way this is worded TOTALLY helps me better understand my reaction to past fuck-and-run guys.
A DUDE, YOU ARE THE BEST.
I want The Hairpin to document the proper names and contact information of all the Dudes and put said document it in a time capsule or seed (hehe) bank?
Ask a Dude often gives me, a 22-year-old female who has to deal with the sea of bullshit that is (most but not all) early-twenties males, more hope than any saccharine Kate Hudson pic being re-run on TBS at 11 on a Friday ever could.
Sorry if this statement is poorly written; I haven't slept for a day.
When I think about what would happen if my boyfriend wrote the answers to Ask a Dude, I get sad and re-think the future of our relationship. (He probably just wouldn't bother, actually.) Dudes: you provide more answers than you realize!
This Dude might be the closest to my guy, as both are master BS-detectors and ardent female orgasm proponents. My guy's writing wouldn't be quite as poetic and thoughtful, though.
With letter #1, the only leverage she has right now is to remove herself from this guy's life. Right now he doesn't have to contemplate taking an uncomfortable step, because he has all the flirtation & ego strokes he could want without having to do so. She should be like "I think I'm developing feelings for you, I need to move on and cut off this friendship for my own sanity. Maybe if we were both single things would work out differently, but right now we're not."
Then if he breaks up with the girlfriend some time down the road and gets in touch with her, great. If he's really "just not that into you," she stopped torturing herrself with a confusing friendship. Win-win.
To #4, yes it's very common. Any decent guy would rather you get the stimulation you need than fake it, or just lie there not having an orgasm. Most guys can't come without direct stimulation on their dick, so you're not demanding anything they're not getting. You're not being "rude" or whatever, you're helping the guy please you.
Hey! I'm lady #4 and I registered just to comment on this! I guess my question wasn't meant so much as an 'Is this ok?' as an 'Is everyone else doing this too and just not talking about it?' And these comments are answering that question. (For the record, my boyfriend is totally into it and if he wasn't he would not be my boyfriend!)
The weird part about your letter, though, was bringing up that no one does it in porn. No one does anything realistic in porn. Women don't even come in porn, most of the time. So I wouldn't compare my actions to what's happening in porn, ever. There's no use.
A friend told me that this happens in porn all the time, actually.
WELL WHICH IS IT!? Pins and needles here folks.
Obviously, we all need to post the URLs to the porn we've been watching. Also, we should disclose whether or not we have paid subscriptions. Because maybe the ladies don't come unless you pay?
Lol @ paying for porn. What next, paying for music?
The internet is a like an oil well fire, if the oil well was a porno well, and the fire was porno.
Yeah, a separate issue is my lack of positive porn experience… Any recommendations of the lady-friendly variety would be welcomed!
There's a whole "porn for straight ladies" series on Fleshbot that you might check out. It's seemed pretty varied in the recommendations.
Hey lady #4!
Yes, everyone is most definitely doing this too. And if your friends aren't talking about it, perhaps find more open friends? (I mean, don't ditch your current ones, obviously. But friends you can discuss the intimate details of your sex life with are really, really useful.)
Yes, I do it, too. Sometimes I get awkward and I think to myself, "OMG IS IT WEIRD/GREEDY THAT I AM DEMANDING SOME CLIT ACTION EVERY TIME?," and then I'm like, "Uh, no, dummy," and everything is fine. (On a related note, I don't think my boyfriend or your boyfriend or any other boyfriend has sat around worrying that they're being weird by wanting their dick touched every time they get it on. We ladies are so tough on ourselves sometimes!)
Yes, I had a Lady #1 situation (minus the consummation) and I realised that nothing was going to happen and I was letting the faux-relationship/semi-requited mooning keep me from finding someone who would straight-up, guilelessly, desperately love me. So I backed off for a while, and now that dude & I are both engaged to other people and still close friends.
My soon-to-be-ex IS the dude in the first question. After 7 years, I finally had to make an ultimatum that I would NOT put up with all of the emotional affairs. He always HAS TO HAVE MORE female attention than one person can give, and I believe it is just his way of dealing with massive insecurities. Instead of actually giving up the "friends", he decided to try hiding it from me, and I'm tired of sharing him this way. It's literally just like the first question, except for the physical part, just a constant stream of texts and calls and photos of the beach here or whatever. Someone else always getting to hear first about his day, or sharing some jokes or inside stories. The first dude has no intention of truly consummating the relationship with her, or of leaving his girlfriend. He wants the attention of both. For all she knows, there may be other girls as well. Some people just need to have a spare or two boxed away, just an in-case-of-emergency-break-glass relationship. Don't be that person. And don't be stupid, even if he were to break the glass, there will be a new spare to contend with.
I think, in general, a lot of guys are going to take the path of least resistance. I like to consider myself a stand-up dude, but I'll definitely admit that I've gotten stuck in ruts where I've been reckless or inconsiderate of someone else's feelings because it was easy. I don't want to say "you've got to make him work for it," because a) that sounds a lot like work, and b) it also sounds kind of manipulative, which some people would rather not be. But as it stands with Questioner 1, it doesn't sound like there's consequences for this guy. He's getting something for nothing, as Jake Barnes would put it. If a dude is acting poorly, there's got to be negative consequences.
Exactly. We all want to be desired/adored/chased. Some people just aren't mature enough to a) realize that they have to put in the same effort with their primary relationship that they want in return, and b) deal with the fact that it's called SELF ESTEEM exactly because you have to do it for your damned SELF.
@MoonBat: PREACH IT, LADY!
@Jolie: Ha ha, maybe I should request a stint as "Ask a Woman Scorned"???
You're a good seed, Moonie. Good luck to you. (And I'd read that column!!)
@Jolie: Thank you!
@MoonBat: You are wonderful.
EEEEEEEEdith!!!! *blush*
Yesssss to the "Ask a Woman Scorned" column!
Holy crap this really slapped me in the face. My, I don't even know what it is anymore guy, always is talking to other girls. He says he isn't cheating but I think that just because he hasn't put a P in a V doesn't mean fidelity. It fucking hurts knowing he's sharing part of himself with someone else and hiding it from me. There was a time he was with someone else and I was on the other side of that. I'm at that ultimatum point with him right now. When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way, bud. I'm pretty sure he won't be giving up these other "friends" and I am just going to have to accept that some guys just do this shit and also fuck those guys!
@MoonBat YES, it's SELF esteem. Damn. I have been endlessly desirous of male attention, at some points being afraid to commit to someone because then I was scared a relationship wouldn't give me enough (and the bad ones don't, obviously). It's taken me awhile to come around to the fact that I was using people to make me feel better about myself, instead of reaching out to them on a level plane. Gotta love yourself first, as cliched as it sounds.
more more more. i love all the ask a dudes, but today's was extra good.
It's clear that the ladies who asked these questions are not trimming/waxing/letting-well-enough-alone quite as they should be, you know, down there.
[TRADITION!]
It's not a big deal that he doesn't want to go down on you.
"troweled"
Lady No. 1, I know you've heard it before, but if he'll cheat with you, he'll cheat on you.
Or, as my mother likes to say: "So what, a couple of rounds with you and all of a sudden he's Saint Francis of Assisi?"
Clearly your mom is awesome.
Jesus Christ, lady. Tell him exactly what you just told me
THIS!!
New Dude, I seriously like you so much. These responses are so wise and so perceptive, and your writing is so charming!
#4, I assumed everyone did this and nobody thought it was weird until I read your question. I just don't understand how vaginal orgasms (no clit stimulation) happen. I mean I know they do, but HOW? Is my vagina broken? Am I doing it wrong?
Also I really really like this Dude even though the picture is scaring me a bit.
I heard Edith was getting tired of spending so much time looking for pictures of people in sunglasses.
And I honest to goodness didn't realize how much of an anomaly it is that I can have a successful sexytime transaction every time with p in v only. Oh hairpin, you're so educational.
oh hai guys. Lady #1 here. first of all THANK YOU DUDE. You are awesome. Plus, you're right. I totally asked that question already knowing the answer, but it helped. I will add that this other guy isn't really a predatory dude who picks up emotional affairs (I know all of his friends – and, um, family? I know, it's weird). Plus I'll give myself some credit for not being a sad sack, I definitely told him I wouldn't date him if he broke up with his gf, and I'm trying not to think about the fact that he had said he was on the fence about his relationship before that point. That said, we need to stop going to dinner and lunch once or twice a week, soooo this has helped me decide to put the kibosh on that. Also I ramble about errything, as this post has evidenced.